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Hannibalistique said:
We have no idea whether they are better with their VPN service, we have no reason to believe so (unlike mullvad).
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I'd say it doesn't matter if their VPN is perfect as long as they continually bundle it with their email suite in sales. It introduces the gmail issue, where if you get banned for posting wrongthink on YouTube, suddenly you lose access to your calendar and bank account.

Except with gmail, it's "just" losing your entire digital life. With Proton, it's that, plus the fact that the moment you lose your VPN is the exact moment you've pissed someone off and need it most.
 
RMQualtrough said:
AirVPN is a little better because you can open ports. I think it might be the only one with permanent port opening (others you need to sign in to say you want to keep it every now and then etc) anymore? Which makes it the only one suitable for torrenting basically.

If there are others that allow it and give you the OpenVPN and WireGuard details I would definitely be interested to know.

Mullvad used to but I remember it wasn't possible when I tried some time ago and emailed their customer support expecting it to be in an option I couldn't find.
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Bingo. Port forwarding is an absolute requirement for the vast majority of private trackers.
 
Has anyone experienced longer than usual waits for Mullvad's VPN to connect to a city in the past week or so? My issue coincides with a new router from my ISP, but I'm not sure why it would be causing it. The speeds are unaffected, just takes up to 20-30 seconds to connect where before it was generally pretty quick.
 
Zyklon C said:
Has anyone experienced longer than usual waits for Mullvad's VPN to connect to a city in the past week or so? My issue coincides with a new router from my ISP, but I'm not sure why it would be causing it. The speeds are unaffected, just takes up to 20-30 seconds to connect where before it was generally pretty quick.
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On multiple different platforms?
 
Iroh said:
On multiple different platforms?
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Yeah, I'm noticing that it's happening on both my desktop and laptop. Both are running Ubuntu so (theoretically) it's not an OS dependent issue. I wish I had a Windows machine so I could test it out to remove any possibility that OS version is at fault.

I'm beginning to think it's the new router. I may have to plumb around the internals to see if there is a setting causing it.
 
Zyklon C said:
Yeah, I'm noticing that it's happening on both my desktop and laptop. Both are running Ubuntu so (theoretically) it's not an OS dependent issue. I wish I had a Windows machine so I could test it out to remove any possibility that OS version is at fault.

I'm beginning to think it's the new router. I may have to plumb around the internals to see if there is a setting causing it.
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As the old saying goes: even when it's not DNS, it's always DNS. Try overriding your ISP default DNS with 4.2.2.2, 8.8.8.8 or some other fan favorite and see if it helps.
 
Zyklon C said:
Has anyone experienced longer than usual waits for Mullvad's VPN to connect to a city in the past week or so? My issue coincides with a new router from my ISP, but I'm not sure why it would be causing it. The speeds are unaffected, just takes up to 20-30 seconds to connect where before it was generally pretty quick.
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20 seconds for me
 
Hannibalistique said:
Proton is still at fault for availing themselves to law enforcement and not being able to deliver the anonymity that is basically their whole sales gimmick.
We have no idea whether they are better with their VPN service, we have no reason to believe so (unlike mullvad).
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ButWholeTickler said:
Proton was caught giving up information on customers... Fuck that company.
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  1. No company is going to break the law for you. They are compelled to comply by Swiss law. The CEO/Director of a business is not going to jail for you.
  2. Protonmail claims to offer privacy; this is not anonymity. I checked my website just now myself, and they do not say any of their services provide anonymity. They claim to provide better privacy compared to their competitors, e.g., Google.
  3. VPNs do not provide anonymity. They provide privacy (it is in the name).
 
SchizoDaemon said:
  1. No company is going to break the law for you. They are compelled to comply by Swiss law. The CEO/Director of a business is not going to jail for you.
  2. Protonmail claims to offer privacy; this is not anonymity. I checked my website just now myself, and they do not say any of their services provide anonymity. They claim to provide better privacy compared to their competitors, e.g., Google.
  3. VPNs do not provide anonymity. They provide privacy (it is in the name).
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My point is that incorporating in switzerland is retarded for anyone pretending to offer privacy or anonymity, and that their sales gimmick is misleading at best.
 
Hannibalistique said:
My point is that incorporating in switzerland is retarded for anyone pretending to offer privacy or anonymity, and that their sales gimmick is misleading at best.
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It isn't misleading, because they never said it was anonymous. Nowhere does it say "We will break Swiss law to protect you" in their marketing.
They say it offers better privacy compared to other services. You can see on their marketing.

Your expectations are not only unrealistic, but they are also not found anywhere in the marketing material.
 
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SchizoDaemon said:
It isn't misleading, because they never said it was anonymous. Nowhere does it say "We will break Swiss law to protect you" in their marketing.
They say it offers better privacy compared to other services. You can see on their marketing.

Your expectations are not only unrealistic, but they are also not found anywhere in the marketing material.
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Word games like that are inherently dishonest.
 
Hannibalistique said:
Word games like that are inherently dishonest.
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There are no word games. Privacy and anonymity are two different concepts. Granted they are related, but they are not the same thing.
In fact, many of the materials on ProtonMail's website are quite straightforward to understand.
You are the one that is playing games by conflating the two terms, claiming there is a "gimmick" when there isn't and pretending the marketing says something it doesn't.
 
SchizoDaemon said:
You are the one that is playing games by conflating the two terms, claiming there is a "gimmick" when there isn't and pretending the marketing says something it doesn't.
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To be fair, he's probably just misinformed. He's not the only one who thinks privacy and anonymity are the same.
 
Markass the Worst said:
To be fair, he's probably just misinformed. He's not the only one who thinks privacy and anonymity are the same.
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Maybe, but I just made it clear that they were different concepts twice beforehand.

Slightly aside. These guys that recently got caught (members of Scattered Spider) and the intel broker were quite dumb IMO.
They did illegal activities while giving out far too much information about themselves or information that can be easily tied back to them.
Some of these guys used their Microsoft accounts with their real names. If I were doing what they were doing, I would be running Qubes OS while connecting to a random business wifi and only taking payments in Monero.

I also have little sympathy for them because I know people that have been directly affected by their actions.
 
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Iroh said:
You can’t blame the service provider for compromising your anonymity when you’re handing over your Gmail account and credit card, which is the same as giving out your ID card.
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I just used a throwaway cock.li account. Not sure you can still do that but you could when I got it.
SchizoDaemon said:
There are no word games. Privacy and anonymity are two different concepts. Granted they are related, but they are not the same thing.
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You can easily pay for privacy. Anonymity, you have to do your own homework. tor gives both anonymity and privacy, but if you blow it by giving out personal information, not even tor will help you.
 
AnOminous said:
You can easily pay for privacy. Anonymity, you have to do your own homework. tor gives both anonymity and privacy, but if you blow it by giving out personal information, not even tor will help you.
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Its a classic 3 traits, pick 2 sort of deal. If it has both Privacy and Anonymity, it lacks Ease of Use and so people turn on JavaScript and use a normal credit card and power level and generally engage in self sabotage.
 
I've been using Mullvad for the past two weeks both on Windows and Android and it's pretty good. I just wish there was an easy way to firewall chosen apps on Android, which is a great way to block ads.

Unfortunately, it looks like I can't simultaneously use Mullvad and NetGuard because they both count as VPN for some reason. I can enable "always-on VPN" and "block connections without VPN" in Android settings and then split tunnel selected apps with Mullvad, but then when I disconnect from LTE/Wi-Fi, MMS (which I use often) stops working and I keep forgetting to disable those two options.

If you have an idea how to do this without too much effort, please let me know.
 
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