[video] Proof denuvo slows down games

[Carpenter Trout]

note: I'm still fine with DRMs (like cd-keys and other softwares), but I'm not fine with some bullshit like denuvo for the following reasons:

1.) Impacts on game play;
2.) It's useless. Some games get cracked after few days (just look at dmc5);
3.) The devs are fucking hypocrites. There are claims of the denuvo creators using pirated software to code denuvo. Ironic, isn't it?
.)[this is a bit more personal] the "denuvo fans" (steam forums) are blind to the evidence and complete cucks.
They're just so quick to dismiss everything, it's astonishing. "bu-But you're just a h8r, you hate gaymsss!!!!!", no you idiot. I hate these double standards, it only punishes consumers, since pirates are gonna have a better performance, even if slightly better.

Thoughts?

Spoiler

TFW I have MHW and I tried the pirated version and it ran slightly smooter than the steam version. wow

 

[KotatsuApe]

When I'm been forced to install bad optimized software that messes up my SSD, leaves temp files everywhere even after unistalling it and slows down the game aswell I start to miss the good ol'days when all you needed was a CD key

Didn't know about the "use pirated software to code denuvo" part. Do you have some sources?

 

[Carpenter Trout]

Didn't know about the "use pirated software to code denuvo" part. Do you have some sources?

r/pcgaming - Rumour: Denuvo is using pirated Software in their Protection

2,424 votes and 230 comments so far on Reddit

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Denuvo allegedly protected its own anti-piracy software with pirated anti-piracy software

Even though it seems to have been getting cracked left and right recently, Denuvo anti-piracy software has been a thorn in the side of software pirates since it was first introduced. However, in a bizarre and ironic twist, Denuvo Software…

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Still a rumor and all that, buuuut....

 

[KotatsuApe]

Shitty companies make shitty software.
Go figure...

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Shitty companies make shitty software.
Go figure...

This is becoming a prevailing practice not just in the software industry but in every industry, which is to cannibalize every single piece of software that could tangentially serve your purpose rather than homebrewing your own. The logic for why companies are prone to do this is because if something's compromised as a fault of the shovelware, the onus is on the shovelware company that manufactured it and not on themselves. If you outsource everything then it's everyone else's fault. It's also much cheaper than a genuine in house product that you know for a fact actually functions as intended.

 

[AF 802]

.)[this is a bit more personal] the "denuvo fans" (steam forums) are blind to the evidence and complete cucks.
They're just so quick to dismiss everything, it's astonishing. "bu-But you're just a h8r, you hate gaymsss!!!!!", no you idiot. I hate these double standards, it only punishes consumers, since pirates are gonna have a better performance, even if slightly better.

There's people out there that actually LIKE Denuvo? Links or it didn't happen.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

2.) It's useless. Some games get cracked after few days (just look at dmc5);

DMC5 became Denuvo-free before it even released. It also suggests something that the unprotected executable was used for play testing the up until release, almost as if Capcom themselves didn't want to deal with that shit.

Speculation: The performance impact of Denuvo is probably lessened by the fact that many games are multiplatform and release on consoles with weak CPU's, so the games are built around that, Denuvo then runs on the much, much beefier CPU of a PC so it's probably not very noticeable in many cases. A cause for slowdown might come from memory fuckery when it tries to obfuscate and move around things in memory, resulting in misses and stalls.

Denuvo's origins of being the fuckers that put auto-installing rootkits on audio-cd's shouldn't be forgotten either.

 

[Carpenter Trout]

There's people out there that actually LIKE Denuvo? Links or it didn't happen.

Just read the video's comments, also check here,and here, and here (and here is an extra by and highly-intelligent brony's comment) (sonic mania's steam forum threads about denuvo).

Spoiler: some of the comments, but in thread form

I took the liberty of putting an orange square in the second screenshot. (GONE SEXUAL)(GONE WRONG)(GRUN IST UNSERE FALLSCHIRM)

Denuvo's origins of being the fuckers that put auto-installing rootkits on audio-cd's shouldn't be forgotten either.

I didn't knew about this one. Can you please tell me more?

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

I didn't knew about this one. Can you please tell me more?

They were spun out of Sony BMG or whatever the music publishing arm of Sony is called. The rootkit thing happened in the early 2000's when the music industry were in full panic and tried to find ways to force people to buy and listen to CD's even though iPods, Zune and other were very popular and becoming bigger and bigger.

Selling music digitally would have been a good solution but they were stuck in the past, just like when the music industry tried to get rid of the 78rpm records because it ate profits of live performances, then tried to get rid of radio because it ate into the profits from selling 78rpm records, then tried to ban vinyl because it ate the profits from radioplay and so on.
They really drop the ball a lot, they are collectively the dumbest most backwards industry that have ever existed, they could have followed the developments of the market and the consumer, but nah, fuck that and fuck learning from all the times in the past that they have fucked up in exactly the same way.

So Sony developed an auto-installing rootkit for PC's to prevent people from ripping the music to their iPod's etc, something that only affects people that BUY cd's. Being a rootkit it couldn't be uninstalled either because its presence was secret, so that's nice. They put it on every cd they sold and while it didn't affect regular cd-players it didn't affect pirates that ripped and uploaded music either(I don't think it even worked on Mac and absolutely not Linux). Their actual consumers were the ones that got fucked. Sony also got found out immediately and the rootkit itself was a security hazard that easily allowed trojans and viruses to piggyback on it. Good times for Sony, what a shit show that was, not even StarForce got that much bad press. They released an uninstaller later, they had to, people were not happy, but iirc there was something weird with that one as well, not by actual malice but by incompetence that comes from hastily cobbling together an uninstaller for something that was never meant to be uninstalled.

Sony later turned their DRM division out into its own entity and that's Denuvo. This is all from memory and it's pretty old, but that's how I remember it.

 

[Oddjob OTP]

They were spun out of Sony BMG or whatever the music publishing arm of Sony is called. The rootkit thing happened in the early 2000's when the music industry were in full panic and tried to find ways to force people to buy and listen to CD's even though iPods, Zune and other were very popular and becoming bigger and bigger.

Selling music digitally would have been a good solution but they were stuck in the past, just like when the music industry tried to get rid of the 78rpm records because it ate profits of live performances, then tried to get rid of radio because it ate into the profits from selling 78rpm records, then tried to ban vinyl because it ate the profits from radioplay and so on.
They really drop the ball a lot, they are collectively the dumbest most backwards industry that have ever existed, they could have followed the developments of the market and the consumer, but nah, fuck that and fuck learning from all the times in the past that they have fucked up in exactly the same way.

So Sony developed an auto-installing rootkit for PC's to prevent people from ripping the music to their iPod's etc, something that only affects people that BUY cd's. Being a rootkit it couldn't be uninstalled either because its presence was secret, so that's nice. They put it on every cd they sold and while it didn't affect regular cd-players it didn't affect pirates that ripped and uploaded music either(I don't think it even worked on Mac and absolutely not Linux). Their actual consumers were the ones that got fucked. Sony also got found out immediately and the rootkit itself was a security hazard that easily allowed trojans and viruses to piggyback on it. Good times for Sony, what a shit show that was, not even StarForce got that much bad press. They released an uninstaller later, they had to, people were not happy, but iirc there was something weird with that one as well, not by actual malice but by incompetence that comes from hastily cobbling together an uninstaller for something that was never meant to be uninstalled.

Sony later turned their DRM division out into its own entity and that's Denuvo. This is all from memory and it's pretty old, but that's how I remember it.

Sony was also in the PC/Laptop business at the time and IIRC their rootkit was installed on their products free of charge.

 

[The Fool]

video games are for unemployed soyboys living with their parents and Denuvo is the perfect compliment to them.

 

[Thiletonomics]

They were spun out of Sony BMG or whatever the music publishing arm of Sony is called. The rootkit thing happened in the early 2000's when the music industry were in full panic and tried to find ways to force people to buy and listen to CD's even though iPods, Zune and other were very popular and becoming bigger and bigger.

Selling music digitally would have been a good solution but they were stuck in the past, just like when the music industry tried to get rid of the 78rpm records because it ate profits of live performances, then tried to get rid of radio because it ate into the profits from selling 78rpm records, then tried to ban vinyl because it ate the profits from radioplay and so on.
They really drop the ball a lot, they are collectively the dumbest most backwards industry that have ever existed, they could have followed the developments of the market and the consumer, but nah, fuck that and fuck learning from all the times in the past that they have fucked up in exactly the same way.

So Sony developed an auto-installing rootkit for PC's to prevent people from ripping the music to their iPod's etc, something that only affects people that BUY cd's. Being a rootkit it couldn't be uninstalled either because its presence was secret, so that's nice. They put it on every cd they sold and while it didn't affect regular cd-players it didn't affect pirates that ripped and uploaded music either(I don't think it even worked on Mac and absolutely not Linux). Their actual consumers were the ones that got fucked. Sony also got found out immediately and the rootkit itself was a security hazard that easily allowed trojans and viruses to piggyback on it. Good times for Sony, what a shit show that was, not even StarForce got that much bad press. They released an uninstaller later, they had to, people were not happy, but iirc there was something weird with that one as well, not by actual malice but by incompetence that comes from hastily cobbling together an uninstaller for something that was never meant to be uninstalled.

Sony later turned their DRM division out into its own entity and that's Denuvo. This is all from memory and it's pretty old, but that's how I remember it.

Sony was also the ones responsible for SecuROM, which pissed off The Sims community back in the days of TS2, and Spore also included SecuROM, which, in addition to the game itself being a massive disappointment, was part of why Spore became one of the most pirated games back in it's day, just behind The Sims series, IIRC. I don't recall too much about other games that also had SecuROM included though.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Sony was also the ones responsible for SecuROM, which pissed off The Sims community back in the days of TS2, and Spore also included SecuROM, which, in addition to the game itself being a massive disappointment, was part of why Spore became one of the most pirated games back in it's day, just behind The Sims series, IIRC. I don't recall too much about other games that also had SecuROM included though.

Oh god SecuROM was another piece of shit that only inconvenienced people that bought the games but not pirates or crackers. I don't remember anyone having trouble cracking early versions of it and games would be available to play before release, but then they went Online Activiation. No real problem there either, but consumers were pissed.

There was a time when people that bought games sought out cracks for them just to avoid the hassle of activation or being forced to have the play-cd sounding like a jet engine in the drive or having to find the disc for a game they already had installed and entered the key for. They drove their loyal and paying customers to venture into the hassle free domain of piracy. gg, idiots.

StarForce was the real fucker at the time, it was the Denuvo of its day but unlike Denuvo there were claims that it could mess up Windows or even the hardware. I'm pretty sure it made it so that having virtual cd-drives was impossible, it blocked the installation of a crucial ATAPI driver or something, so it actually policed installation of device drivers, great! I think it also affected people that had more than one optical drive(like a cd burner and a dvd drive) because it assumed that one of them was a virtual drive and the game wouldn't run. Playing older games on newer systems was also impossible, retail Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory can't be played on Vista or higher and it was released just a year before Vista and then it wasn't available on digital platforms for several years.

A lot of older gamers that remembers StarForce probably sees Denuvo as the new incarnation of that, I certainly do and I still have some residual and now well-aged vintage whine for whenever Denuvo comes up.

 

[DragoonSierra]

They only need it on their games for about a month because thats when most of sales occur. Just make it timed.

 

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Usually unless the company is a douchebag, they take it off when it's fully cracked by pirates.

There's people out there that actually LIKE Denuvo? Links or it didn't happen.

Oh, people could care less about Epic Store, exclusive to console, loot boxes, bad dlc, unfinshed games, all of it. I've been around fandoms, it's probably my one Lolcow pasture i study on the farms, and man, there are a lot of funny people.

video games are for unemployed soyboys living with their parents and Denuvo is the perfect compliment to them.

I'm a despondent trust fund baby that hates the government. I fucking hate soy, I fucking hate organic, I fucking hate hipsters. I also hate your flippant comment.
Die, loser. Eat shit.

I'm joking. Seriously, at this point they pretty much are.

 

[Dick Justice]

There is no 'good' drm, only useless drm and draconian drm. One does nothing to impede the so-called pirates, and the other actively drives otherwise paying customers into their arms.

 

[ZeCommissar]

I miss the shit out of voksi. He fought the good fight against Denuvo. I'm hoping someone is willing to take his place on day.

 

[Piss Clam]

Why don't idiots like this put it under a debugger, show the calls, and run a profiler.

This tells you nothing.

 

[Professional iPad Hoarder]

Overlord Gaming is seriously underrated

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Why don't idiots like this put it under a debugger, show the calls, and run a profiler.

This tells you nothing.

Can't, part of Denuvo's sales pitch is that it detects debuggers and refuses to run, it's part of their anti-tamper thing.

PIX(https://devblogs.microsoft.com/pix/introduction/ ) and something like Intel's VTune would have been interesting to run on Denuvo games, but I don't think that's possible or someone would have done it by now.

edit: huh, according to a single reddit post it seems like VTune works. PIX might work as well.