UN Venezuela Megathread - Mercenaries 2 references galore! Cubanodun is MVP

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Cubanodun said:
Notice the VTV logo, thats the commies channel and the video is HEAVILY EDITED to make them look good, no one believed for a second their version of the story it did not help that they insisted that the cruise ship was full of marines, absolute lunatics
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Unfortunately, some people did, and still do, unquestioningly believe the Venezuelan government's version of events. I always thought the NPC meme was just a joke...
 
teriyakiburns said:
Unfortunately, some people did, and still do, unquestioningly believe the Venezuelan government's version of events. I always thought the NPC meme was just a joke...
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People will go to insane lengths to either own Orange Man or delude themselves into thinking their piss poor reading of Marx isn't stupid and kills people.
 
Somebody probably asked this question before, but how is Maduro still in power? There is no functioning economy, people are starving, the nation is practically bankrupt, and even his allies have washed their hands of this mess. Seriously, these people are like cockroaches in human form.
 
soy_king said:
Somebody probably asked this question before, but how is Maduro still in power? There is no functioning economy, people are starving, the nation is practically bankrupt, and even his allies have washed their hands of this mess. Seriously, these people are like cockroaches in human form.
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They're too cucked to revolt. It's really on them tbh.
 
soy_king said:
Somebody probably asked this question before, but how is Maduro still in power? There is no functioning economy, people are starving, the nation is practically bankrupt, and even his allies have washed their hands of this mess. Seriously, these people are like cockroaches in human form.
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The military still supports Maduro, that's pretty much the only reason he still has power. Why they still support him? I'm not sure of myself but still seem committed to it. I think Guaido tried to convince them to flip their support to him but it didn't really go anywhere.
 
Exterminatus said:
The military still supports Maduro, that's pretty much the only reason he still has power. Why they still support him? I'm not sure of myself but still seem committed to it. I think Guaido tried to convince them to flip their support to him but it didn't really go anywhere.
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I am aware of their support, the better question is why? I've heard that they essentially own PDVSA and run it, but PDVSA is so incompetent and broke they can't even pump oil.
 
soy_king said:
I am aware of their support, the better question is why? I've heard that they essentially own PDVSA and run it, but PDVSA is so incompetent and broke they can't even pump oil.
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www.reuters.com

Special Report: Why the military still stands by Venezuela's beleaguered president

One of the central mysteries of Venezuela's slow-motion collapse: Why does the military continue to support Nicolas Maduro, the president who has led the once-prosperous South American country into poverty and chaos?
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This article from last year seems to offer some insight from ex-members of the Venezuelan military
 
teriyakiburns said:
Unfortunately, some people did, and still do, unquestioningly believe the Venezuelan government's version of events. I always thought the NPC meme was just a joke...
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Anyone who can watch a Venezuelan boat suicidally try to ram an icebreaker and then end up sinking, then somehow convince themselves the kamikaze was the right one more or less deserves to be the kind of person who believes that.
 
Traummaschine said:
Can you explain what the pictures are supposed to show?
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They are marking where the lifeboats are supposed to be, they are claiming that the cruiser was actually going to use them to infiltrate marines but i dont think 70 marines are going to make a huge difference, fun fact about the incident the idiots involved refuse to say WHY they stopped a cruiser on international waters, they claim that they were just patrolling.... outside of venezuelan waters

soy_king said:
Somebody probably asked this question before, but how is Maduro still in power? There is no functioning economy, people are starving, the nation is practically bankrupt, and even his allies have washed their hands of this mess. Seriously, these people are like cockroaches in human form.
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A combination of political apathy, sheer incompetence of both sides and people to numb about the situation to care

Exterminatus said:
The military still supports Maduro, that's pretty much the only reason he still has power. Why they still support him? I'm not sure of myself but still seem committed to it. I think Guaido tried to convince them to flip their support to him but it didn't really go anywhere.
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Support is a weird way to say it, the correct word i found is "tolerance", the military "tolerate" maduro because he is the main scapegoat of everything illegal they do, in the internal circle of the chavizmo they dont care who is the president they just care who can take the hit for their corruption, this was show more when Chavez died, the original candidate was going to be Diosdado but he refused because being president would just be a annoyance for his true job, being the leader of the cartel, like i have repeated earlies Chavez pick Maduro because he was the last one that was truly loyal to him, the rest were just parasites that appeared to suck the country dry

soy_king said:
but PDVSA is so incompetent and broke they can't even pump oil.
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PDVSA was not incompetent, Chavez destroyed the industry on purpose because he had a naive way to understand the process of refining oil, he believed that any idiot could work in the refineries and after the coup he hitted maximum paranoia and fired everyone remotely competent, i still not have found a credible evidence but apparently because of that US companies got all our competent and professional workforce to work with them and that is why the oil industry has flourished so much to the point that you guys are exporting now, i dont believe it for a second but i know several people ex-PDVSA that have told me that is true but surely they are exaggerating

In other news, this morning Winnie the pooh declare that he was going to give shekels to Maduro, someone told that in a press conference to our dear emperor and he is not pleased about it

 
Cubanodun said:
In other news, this morning Winnie the pooh declare that he was going to give shekels to Maduro, someone told that in a press conference to our dear emperor and he is not pleased about it
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If he has even the balls Bolsonaro does, Trump will just post Winnie the Pooh memes on his Twitter.

I think he won't because he's a coward.
 
Exterminatus said:
Why they still support him? I'm not sure of myself but still seem committed to it. I think Guaido tried to convince them to flip their support to him but it didn't really go anywhere.
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Who the fuck else are they gonna support? Guaido? That incompetent cocaine addict that flopped the last uprising attempt and sucks up to dumbshit Neo-Cons wanting to give them the Saddam treatment? The US does a shit job at giving enemies a reason to defect to their side and will have to go in and perform an Iraqi Occupation in the jungle to get what they want.
 
I know this will be unpopular, but a revolution it's easier said than done. The people most affected aren't young men with guns and training, but average civilians and struggling families that just want to live with their families in peace.

Maduro's army might be a joke, but if you were, say, a random parent with a starving family, a revolution is much less a priority compared to being able to eat. So I can see why people would rather have work than planing to shoot soldiers.
 
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Cubanodun said:
i still not have found a credible evidence but apparently because of that US companies got all our competent and professional workforce to work with them and that is why the oil industry has flourished so much to the point that you guys are exporting now, i dont believe it for a second but i know several people ex-PDVSA that have told me that is true but surely they are exaggerating
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You are right, it is false and simple Typical Narcissistic Spic Bravismo.

This is what happened, and was independent of any tacoon involvement
en.wikipedia.org

North Dakota oil boom - Wikipedia

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The only way Venezuela played any part in this was the same as any other OPEC member, which was the price of oil going up high enough the technology developed to exploit the field became a viable endevor.

Also, the US could have fixed our oil dependency at almost any time by just drilling in & off the coast of Alaska. The main thing with the ND oil boon was it was in the middle of land no one gave a shit about and was kept underwraps until the state government was bought and paid for. By the time the tree huggers were ready to start protesting, it was already too late. (They're trying to fuck up the pipeline to carry it, but that's another story)

Also, just nitpicking point of order, the US is Net Exporting petroleum products. The US demestic oil industry still importing a lot of oil, but we're shipping the products of refining that oil to other places.


soy_king said:
Somebody probably asked this question before, but how is Maduro still in power? There is no functioning economy, people are starving, the nation is practically bankrupt, and even his allies have washed their hands of this mess. Seriously, these people are like cockroaches in human form.
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tl;dr:
The Venezeulans have the government they want.

A little less suscinctly,
As other mentioned, he's a useful cuck for the Military; he is weak and needs them, so they can push him around.
But the other part is how Chavez played his opposition against each other/the opposition allowed themselves to be played when he was alive.

Chavez appealed to the low-IQ jungle squatter, and bought them off with gifts and promises of gibs. He then divided and conquered the opposition by pitting the Ultra rich against the rich and the middle class, the corporates against the small business owners, etc. You give one group targeted handouts for playing along, and the other groups will spend so much time fighting for scraps they won't realize that if they worked together they could have the whole wildebeast.

This has resulted in tons of bad blood and butthurt between the opposition parties.[/QUOTE]
 
Ghostse said:
You are right, it is false and simple Typical Narcissistic Spic Bravismo.
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I supposed as much, the people i know work in Texas

Ghostse said:
Chavez appealed to the low-IQ jungle squatter
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Jojojo i couldn't have said better, he got in power because he appealed to the idiots that were dissatisfied with the AD reign because they wanted gives for the oil boom, we are talking to people that refused to go to school because getting a job as a plumber or a construction worker was better and profitable to the point that Chavez saw how stupid they were and tried to mitigate it by creating alphabetization/indoctrination programs because they were to dumb to read the voting ballot it was so bad that the "cheating sheets" aka leaflets became very popular in voting centers, the sheet is a leaflet that instruct people with arrows and pictures for who they had to vote

Ironic the same idiots that put Chavez in power leave Venezuela and are treated in Colombia like they said they were going to treat the rich when the revolution started, like absolute trash

Ghostse said:
He then divided and conquered the opposition by pitting the Ultra rich against the rich and the middle class
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Not quite but yeah, Chavez knew that the opposition at first did not give a shit about the people they were just buttmad for not having power to stop him, the reason this went downhill to this point was also fault of the opposition, Chavez destroyed the country thoroughly went they refused to go to congress elections, he hijacked it and did whatever they wanted until they were kicked out when their lost the last election where they were wrecked so bad that they could not cheat the system, but it was a empty victory, Maduro created another assembly "to enact a new constitution" the thing has been there for years and they have not changed or do jackshit about it because they forgot this constitution was made by Chavez and for that is a holy relic
 
Cubanodun said:
Not quite but yeah, Chavez knew that the opposition at first did not give a shit about the people they were just buttmad for not having power to stop him, the reason this went downhill to this point was also fault of the opposition, Chavez destroyed the country thoroughly went they refused to go to congress elections, he hijacked it and did whatever they wanted until they were kicked out when their lost the last election where they were wrecked so bad that they could not cheat the system, but it was a empty victory, Maduro created another assembly "to enact a new constitution" the thing has been there for years and they have not changed or do jackshit about it because they forgot this constitution was made by Chavez and for that is a holy relic
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Very correct, but I'm assuming that Kiwi wasn't referring to the legal wrangling Chavez did to legally enshrine his power. I'm guessing he's asking (as I've done so rhetorically several times) why someone hasn't started rounding up and executing politicians and bureaucrats until things get better, because they can't get much worse.

In 1789, the law of France said "You are under the complete authority of the crown, they own your land, they fucking own YOU, so you do whatever they say. PS definitely no executing the King!"; turns out a bunch of guys supposedly under that law didn't give a flying fuck about the laws on the books when they started starving*, and despite starting out with no virtually no weapons, proceeded to ignore those laws and executed the king.

I was pointing out, as I'm sure you know, a portion of the reason there hasn't been a similar toppling of power (despite whatever laws are in place) in Venezuela is because there's no united opposition, and due to Chavez keeping the various opposition factions at each other's throats so long: Party A's leadership doesn't want to topple Maduro because if Maduro is out of power, that means Party B's guy might become the new president, and (thanks to the previously mention Chavez power mongering) proceed to fuck Party A harder than MAduro was doing. So better stick with the devil you know.

Maduro literally stole the election, is a retarded fat bus driver, and it took the opposition 8 years to finally decide to actually select a non-Maduro leader....and he STILL Doesn't really have a lot of backing from the oppostion. Think about that.

The people at the top (ie party leadership) are still living well, so they have minimal incentive to try to rock the boat.
The people at the bottom have been told by their leadership to distrust people outside of their party. (and given ample examples of why not to do so) so there is virtually no chance of a 'peasant leader' rising up and uniting people across the aisle, even if would be to their benefit to do so.

tl;dr The Crabs have the bucket they want.


*And also might have been tripping on an LSD-like substance due to moldy wheat in the food supply.

Texas
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In Texas AND in the Oil Business?
Assume any story they tell you is about as true as this.
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Ghostse said:
a portion of the reason there hasn't been a similar toppling of power (despite whatever laws are in place) in Venezuela is because there's no united opposition
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Funny you said that because there was a toppling and to fuel the irony its celebrated today , when Venezuela was not as a cucked as it is today there were protest that really counted and managed to remove him... for like 2 days because the opposition were cowards to accept the next step, everyone wanted the leadership and Chavez snatched the chance for not only to come back but for finally destroy them, even after 18 years the opposition still has not recovered of that disaster
 
Cubanodun said:
Funny you said that because there was a toppling and to fuel the irony its celebrated today , when Venezuela was not as a cucked as it is today there were protest that really counted and managed to remove him... for like 2 days because the opposition were cowards to accept the next step, everyone wanted the leadership and Chavez snatched the chance for not only to come back but for finally destroy them, even after 18 years the opposition still has not recovered of that disaster
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The opposition are by far the most useless fucks on the planet. For the past two decades all they did was bitch and moan but did nothing while Chavez kept fucking them in the ass, whenever they got the chance, they sat around and did nothing. It was only when the going got tough for Venezuela lately that they tried to start giving a fuck, but it was too late, Chavez had solidified his power, assimilated his army into an unquestionable Khmer Rogue entity, and anyone that had the ability to seriously overthrow the country ran away to have cocaine parties in Miami.

It's why the last attempt was an absolute FUBAR. How in the absolute fuck can you plan an uprising against one of the most broke ass nations in the world and fail at it?
 
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Exterminatus said:
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Sigh where i begin but i was halfway expecting this but the thing that surprised more of that article is this part

“There are children here and we have no food to give them, we have no water, no resources, nor anywhere to stay. We are living on the street,” Jesus Bolivar, 34, a Venezuelan doctor who has been in Colombia for over a year, told Reuters Wednesday morning.
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This is a trend i have see repeatedly, people land a low tier job, bring their ENTIRE freaking family and when things go to the crap they do things like this

About 1.8 million Venezuelan migrants live in Colombia. Around 14,000 have now returned home.
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those 14000 they are not counting the people that return to see their families for a while and obviously the deadbeats that believe that they are going to do the same thing they did in Venezuela on Colombia, so the statistic is a little flawed. most of those persons are just going to come here until the lockdown is over and then return, the capitalist life is a drug for them, they are sure as hell never going to abandon it

I can guarantee you that of those 400 mostly are unqualified morons, probably doctors graduated by the crash course on Chavez missions (graduating full fledged doctors in less than 2 years lmao) i dont feel any sympathy for them
 
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