UN Venezuela Megathread - Mercenaries 2 references galore! Cubanodun is MVP

With the news of an attempted army uprising ending in many arrests happening in the troubled nation, I think now is the time to just say 'Post all Venezuela related news here'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-40843494

The civil war is upon us.

 

[thx1138]

I would expect those BTR-80A's to roll out if anyone gets near those containers.

I can't wait to see the justification from soyleftists around the world: "T-that's a matter of border security! Like drumpfh's wall! Y-your move, nazi!"

Also it would be hilarious to watch a BTR80 get lit up by a Javelin or even a nice slow roast from an M2HB.

 

[TowinKarz]

Eventually, but it'll slow things way down.

Plus the guy is insane and powerhungry enough to block aid convoys from bringing food to his literally starving citizens. That's the sort of crazy might give troops orders to fire on "foreign incursion" (said aid convoys).

Yep, ramming a barricade can be construed as an act of aggression/war

There's a reason the Berlin Airlift worked. Had the West rammed a train or truck through one of those ground blockades, even had it been full of nothing but flour and coal, the Soviets would have had every justification to blast it for being an aggressive action. But, with the air corridors above, the only way to stop a plane is to shoot it down, meaning THEY would have looked like the aggressors if they'd shot down transports full of flour and coal that clearly weren't bombing anything, and possibly spark a counter-attack.. and the Soviets were ultimately unwilling to go that far.

 

[thx1138]

Yep, ramming a barricade can be construed as an act of aggression/war

There's a reason the Berlin Airlift worked. Had the West rammed a train or truck through one of those ground blockades, even had it been full of nothing but flour and coal, the Soviets would have had every justification to blast it for being an aggressive action. But, with the air corridors above, the only way to stop a plane is to shoot it down, meaning THEY would have looked like the aggressors if they'd shot down transports full of flour and coal that clearly weren't bombing anything, and possibly spark a counter-attack.. and the Soviets were ultimately unwilling to go that far.

I can't remember who it was but there was a US commander on the ground in Germany who wanted to go on a "thunder run" and take tank-protected armed truck convoys into West Berlin through the ostensibly "open" (although no longer by that time) road corridors the commies so thoughtfully "permitted" into the western half of the city. The plan was to trigger the Soviets into a shooting war or make them back down. Airlift Command did the same without combat related loss of life though.

 

[AnOminous]

I like the part where Luxembourg talks about democracy like it endorses it.

Isn't Luxembourg just a bunch of rich people that doesn't give a fuck about anything except being rich?

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Isn't Luxembourg just a bunch of rich people that doesn't give a fuck about anything except being rich?

And a genuine old school monarchy at that.

 

[Ghostse]

I can't remember who it was but there was a US commander on the ground in Germany who wanted to go on a "thunder run" and take tank-protected armed truck convoys into West Berlin through the ostensibly "open" (although no longer by that time) road corridors the commies so thoughtfully "permitted" into the western half of the city. The plan was to trigger the Soviets into a shooting war or make them back down. Airlift Command did the same without combat related loss of life though.

THAT should have been the campaign for BF5.

 

[Cubanodun]

America: Ok dipshits you better remove Maduro RIGHT NOW or we keep fucking with your money until you beg for the Emperor Peace

 

[JosephTX]

Yep, ramming a barricade can be construed as an act of aggression/war

There's a reason the Berlin Airlift worked. Had the West rammed a train or truck through one of those ground blockades, even had it been full of nothing but flour and coal, the Soviets would have had every justification to blast it for being an aggressive action. But, with the air corridors above, the only way to stop a plane is to shoot it down, meaning THEY would have looked like the aggressors if they'd shot down transports full of flour and coal that clearly weren't bombing anything, and possibly spark a counter-attack.. and the Soviets were ultimately unwilling to go that far.

The thing about the land routes is that land access to Berlin was based only on a verbal agreement, the air corridors however was a written treaty.

It's the same reason the East German state railroad kept the title "Reichsbahn", because under the treaty on trains in Berlin gave the Reichsbahn sole operating rights in West Berlin which forced the GDR to keep the Nazi and Imperial era name simply so they could keep control of something in West Berlin.

It's similar to the Texas Railroad Commission, they are actually the agency in charge of all the Oil and Gas in the state of Texas and haven't had oversight over railroads in over a decade, but they keep the name because of fear if their name changes Texas will the power the EPA ceded to them since the agreement specified the Railroad Commission as being given the power.

 

[Coleslaw]

Has a name change ever deprived anybody of their rights? Treaties don't have to be rewritten when any of their parties change their names, do they? And even if the answer to either is yes, it's not like DBA names don't exist.

 

[JosephTX]

Has a name change ever deprived anybody of their rights? Treaties don't have to be rewritten when any of their parties change their names, do they? And even if the answer to either is yes, it's not like DBA names don't exist.

The Berlin Rail treaty specified the Reichsbahn, the Fed-Texas agreement of ceding Federal EPA powers to Texas specified the Railroad Commission.

General consensus is yes if one party wants to push it as technically a name change of a government agency is effectively abolishing it legally.

 

[TowinKarz]

DBA's are usually a civil matter too, where it's recognized that just changing your name to dodge a bill is fundamentally dishonest, whereas a treaty with "The USSR" does raise questions of validity if the areas affected by it are now wholly in some other recognized sovereign nation.

Like, if we told the USSR "no missiles here" but that "here" is now totally within the borders of Ukraine, well, is that really fair?

 

[Coleslaw]

DBA's are usually a civil matter too, where it's recognized that just changing your name to dodge a bill is fundamentally dishonest, whereas a treaty with "The USSR" does raise questions of validity if the areas affected by it are now wholly in some other recognized sovereign nation.

Like, if we told the USSR "no missiles here" but that "here" is now totally within the borders of Ukraine, well, is that really fair?

Well, it's easy to obey a law you can't break.

 

[Ghostse]

Has a name change ever deprived anybody of their rights? Treaties don't have to be rewritten when any of their parties change their names, do they? And even if the answer to either is yes, it's not like DBA names don't exist.

I believe its one of those things where you got someone to make a stupid deal, and you aren't going to give them even the chance to weasel out of it. Even if they fight and lose, you still have to fight them, which is not as good as not having to fighting them.

In the case of equitable treaties, usually even if there is a name change, if neither party has an interest in contesting the agreement there can be any number of factual errors with no issue. Its when they're contested one party or the other will look for any flaw or loophole to say they don't apply.

Spoiler: Playing pretend about name changes

Let's say your dad is named Michael Bolton and has a business with a partner, and owns his own home. He finally decides that while Michael Bolton is the ass clown who sucks, that guy isn't going to change his name, so he's going to need to change his, and changes his name to Kenneth Grant. Any business agreements would still say Michael Bolton, the deed on the house says Michael Bolton, and there's a legal name change on record. Now the correct thing to do would be for you Dad, as Kenny G, to update all his documents, but as he's coming out the courthouse, he's spattered by a runaway bus before he can.

Now you inherit your father's house and 50% share in Bolton & Other Guy, Inc. When you go to transfer the deed, you will need to prove the name change and ownership, but since no one is contesting it, you just have some paperwork delays.
But lets say your Dad's business partner for 5 years, just keeps the business running and gives the share of profits that would have gone to your father. All the documents still stay Michael Bolton, but no one is contesting them so there's no issue.
The fun part comes if there is a dispute. Say a corporation wants to buy Bolton & Other Guy, Inc, you want to sell, the partner doesn't. The partner can try to argue all the documents say "Michael Bolton", not your father Kenny G or your name. In this case it'll be fairly straight forward to prove you are the inheritor of Michael Bolton, but maybe the delay is long enough that the corporation withdraws their offer to sell.

That's when things are cut & dry straight forward. Imagine when there's more wiggle room for argument, and you've got a party who's getting the utter raw end of the shaft willing to do anything they can to kill it.

 

[Coleslaw]

I believe its one of those things where you got someone to make a stupid deal, and you aren't going to give them even the chance to weasel out of it. Even if they fight and lose, you still have to fight them, which is not as good as not having to fighting them.

In the case of equitable treaties, usually even if there is a name change, if neither party has an interest in contesting the agreement there can be any number of factual errors with no issue. Its when they're contested one party or the other will look for any flaw or loophole to say they don't apply.

Spoiler: Playing pretend about name changes

Let's say your dad is named Michael Bolton and has a business with a partner, and owns his own home. He finally decides that while Michael Bolton is the ass clown who sucks, that guy isn't going to change his name, so he's going to need to change his, and changes his name to Kenneth Grant. Any business agreements would still say Michael Bolton, the deed on the house says Michael Bolton, and there's a legal name change on record. Now the correct thing to do would be for you Dad, as Kenny G, to update all his documents, but as he's coming out the courthouse, he's spattered by a runaway bus before he can.

Now you inherit your father's house and 50% share in Bolton & Other Guy, Inc. When you go to transfer the deed, you will need to prove the name change and ownership, but since no one is contesting it, you just have some paperwork delays.
But lets say your Dad's business partner for 5 years, just keeps the business running and gives the share of profits that would have gone to your father. All the documents still stay Michael Bolton, but no one is contesting them so there's no issue.
The fun part comes if there is a dispute. Say a corporation wants to buy Bolton & Other Guy, Inc, you want to sell, the partner doesn't. The partner can try to argue all the documents say "Michael Bolton", not your father Kenny G or your name. In this case it'll be fairly straight forward to prove you are the inheritor of Michael Bolton, but maybe the delay is long enough that the corporation withdraws their offer to sell.

I should have known better than to underestimate the craftiness of good lawyers.

Has anyone mentioned the conference in Uruguay that's held today?

 

[Cubanodun]

So today in Loony land happenings after blocking the humanitarian aid, Mexico and Uruguay with the support of the CARICOM (all commies) proposed the "Mechanism of Montevideo" a plan to sit down and negotiate to somehow get out of the crisis

Wow is Maduro finally going to quit?... nah in the official document there is ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION OF NEW ELECTIONS, absolute trash, Guaido just plain ignored that folly

But wait there is more! When Maduro and his lackeys were so smug in TV because they blocked the humanitarian aid, last night Puerto Rico confirmed via CNN (the spanish version that is so/so) that the first airplane with humanitarian aid successfully landed in Venezuela AND NO ONE NOTICED IT

You got TACTICAL GENIUS BABE, now Maduro is in full panic mode searching for the culprits because how in the world a big ass airplane managed to land without anyone noticing?

 

[Coleslaw]

So today in Loony land happenings after blocking the humanitarian aid, Mexico and Uruguay with the support of the CARICOM (all commies) proposed the "Mechanism of Montevideo" a plan to sit down and negotiate to somehow get out of the crisis

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Wow is Maduro finally going to quit?... nah in the official document there is ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION OF NEW ELECTIONS, absolute trash, Guaido just plain ignored that folly

But wait there is more! When Maduro and his lackeys were so smug in TV because they blocked the humanitarian aid, last night Puerto Rico confirmed via CNN (the spanish version that is so/so) that the first airplane with humanitarian aid successfully landed in Venezuela AND NO ONE NOTICED IT

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You got TACTICAL GENIUS BABE, now Maduro is in full panic mode searching for the culprits because how in the world a big ass airplane managed to land without anyone noticing?

Hah, I'll care about CARICOM when they learn to speak proper English.

Is CNN based in PR or does it also serve spics in the US too?

 

[Cubanodun]

Is CNN based in PR or does it also serve spics in the US too?

Dont know but CNN is weird related to Venezuela, the Vanilla flavor (USA) keep calling Guaido "Self appointed" and try every time to get shots at Trump, the Latin American edition in the other hand actually recognize that Maduro is a piece of shit and Trump is doing the right thing to help Venezuela, even recognizing Guaido as the True and Honest President

 

[JosephTX]

As a Puerto Rican I'm ashamed y'all forget Puerto Rico is a part of the US so DRUMPF successfully landed a massive AMERICAN cargo plane of aid in Caracas and Maduro couldn't do shit to stop it.

Hah, I'll care about CARICOM when they learn to speak proper English.

Is CNN based in PR or does it also serve spics in the US too?

CNN Español uses Mexican Spanish and it's targeted at Mexican and Central American immigrants in the US, with some incidental coverage in Puerto Rico since that's the only part of the United States that Spanish is the legal language.

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

I can't believe how annoyed I am at media refusal to accept that Guiado legally is the president by Venezuela's own constitutional mechanisms.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

In another dickish move Maduro decide to LARP Resident Evil 2/Dead Island by being petty and blocking the humanitarian relief that is going to come like this

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The Tienditas Bridge you see there is finished but it's not open to public yet. People could use it if it was open, but nobody does. I doubt any humanitarian help will arrive through it. It's just another facade for his people to believe he's in control and also a bit of opposition propaganda to show he's a son of a bitch. I mean, he is, because the intention is there, but he's really not affecting anyone with this.

Be worry if he does this in the Simon Bolivar Bridge.