UN Venezuela Megathread - Mercenaries 2 references galore! Cubanodun is MVP

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Russia has a base there with two nuclear bombers

The base was just a proposition that Russia for some reason accepted, after every country in the planet said "hell no", Russia was "just shill gais it was not serious lol", yes there was two nuclear bombers but they were here "for exercises", i mean we were so pathetic that could not even make it land in a military airport and instead they use the International airport just to take pictures of it and say "see? jajaja we have big brother russia with us YOU CAN DO ANYTHING TO US"

Putin treat us like we are some kind of satellite state of Russia and in some way he is right but he has to fight with China for it
 
I was archiving some tweets from another cow,
as I came across this tweet:

https://twitter.com/robrousseau/status/1088231425629921280
https://archive.li/Igt8N

I don't really know what's happening in Venezuela,
the only thing I know that trump is backing the opposition.

Maybe I read the joke wrong,
but what's wrong with this blue checkmark?
Is that some kind of TDS? As if Trump would join forces with the USSR,
the left would join forces with uncle adolf.

Sorry, if I got it wrong.
That image doesn’t even make sense. Restoring political/economic stability in Venezuela deals with the caravan in that less people want to flee to the US when their own countries aren’t fucked.
 
As we all know, there is no better place to talk Twitter than the United Nations.

This way, he can stay in the USA instead returning to Venezuela. Seems like an easy choice.
It's not that kind of defection. He only declared/clarified his allegiance to the interim president Guaido and is still working from the Venezuelan embassy in DC.
 
Apparently the Bank of England has stopped Maduro and his cronies from accessing 1.2 billion dollars worth of gold.

And several EU countries, if not the whole of the EU, have given Maduro 8 days to call for an election or else they're recognizing the guy that the US and Canada already support.
 
Not really. Russia was defending an ally to protect the current balance of power in the region, replacing Maduro with someone more friendly to the United States would be altering the status quo.

Russia altered the status quo by putting bombers in Venezuela. Russia can't bitch and moan about how Ukraine and Georgia are part of their super special sphere that the US cannot mess with as they are so close, and then turn around and do the exact same thing in Americas backyard. Putin cannot have his cake and eat it too.
 
Russia altered the status quo by putting bombers in Venezuela. Russia can't bitch and moan about how Ukraine and Georgia are part of their super special sphere that the US cannot mess with as they are so close, and then turn around and do the exact same thing in Americas backyard. Putin cannot have his cake and eat it too.

Now again, I'm not saying you're wrong. But saying "It is wrong to mess to other nation's sphere of influence" while fucking with other nations' spheres of influence is a foundation of international diplomacy that goes back to at least recorded history. Seriously, some of the oldest conversations between nations we have from like 2000BC are King A telling King B to stay the fuck out of the affairs of Kingdom C, and King B writing back telling King A to fuck off unless he's going to stop fucking around with Kingdom D.

The US is definitely not innocent of doing exactly the same. That said, you're right in that regardless who's doing it, its a real dick move to whine about other people meddling near your borders and then doing the exact same.

edit; What I'm saying is Russia are being hypocritical whiners, but that's sort of their right. Focus more on HOW/WHY (escalating a situation they've been helping to create/propping up an exploitative dictator because he's on their side) they're being hypocritical than WHO they're being hypocritical to (because US/Russia power games are a never ending hole of 'Well I only did that because they did this').
 
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Apparently the Bank of England has stopped Maduro and his cronies from accessing 1.2 billion dollars worth of gold.

And several EU countries, if not the whole of the EU, have given Maduro 8 days to call for an election or else they're recognizing the guy that the US and Canada already support.
Are they just pulling an A-H before WWI and demanding the impossible?
 
Are they just pulling an A-H before WWI and demanding the impossible?

I think it's just them cooking up their own little stance on it for recognition. They know Maduro isn't gonna do shit about shit when those 8 days are up. We already know it's the western powers vs them, Russia, and China which is just status quo for nearly every geopolitical dick waving match-up.
 
I think it's just them cooking up their own little stance on it for recognition. They know Maduro isn't gonna do shit about shit when those 8 days are up. We already know it's the western powers vs them, Russia, and China which is just status quo for nearly every geopolitical dick waving match-up.

And everyone knows China isn't all that committed; they'll just make a new deal with whoever comes next.
Its Russia who has to go all-in.
 
I think it's just them cooking up their own little stance on it for recognition. They know Maduro isn't gonna do shit about shit when those 8 days are up. We already know it's the western powers vs them, Russia, and China which is just status quo for nearly every geopolitical dick waving match-up.
My point stands. Maduro couldn't hold a fair election if he had 80 years, much less 8 days.
 
In theory he could hold a fair election, but he'd never abide by the honest and unmanipulated results.
 
Speaking of Mercenaries...

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Russian private security contractors have travelled to Venezuela to provide security to the embattled president Nicolás Maduro, the Reuters news agency has reported.

Citing three sources, the news agency said that the mercenaries are linked to the Wagner group, which has carried out missions in Ukraine and Syria and is now reportedly active in countries in Africa, too.

If it is confirmed that contractors from the group traveled to Venezuela, this would be their first known deployment in the western hemisphere.
Venezuela at the crossroads: the who, what and why of the crisis
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“The order came down on Monday to form a group to go to Venezuela. They are there to protect those at the highest levels of the government,” Yevgeny Shabaev, a Cossack leader with ties to military contractors, told the Guardian by telephone.

Shabaev, one of the sources cited by Reuters, is a campaigner for the rights of veterans, a group that overlaps heavily with those who join mercenary groups in Russia. He said he had been told about the trip by the relatives of the military contractors. A government spokesman did not immediately respond for comment about the report, although he had earlier told Reuters that the Kremlin had “no such information”.

The report comes after the US threw its support behind opposition leader Juan Guaidó, who declared himself president on Wednesday.

Russia and China, both of which have invested heavily in the country, have attacked the US for encroaching on Venezuela’s sovereignty. The Russian president, Vladimir Putin, on Thursday accused the US of “destructive interference from abroad.” The Russian prime minister, Dmitry Medvedev, called it a “quasi-coup”.

The crisis has produced a familiar standoff, with a US-led coalition on one side and Russia and China on the other. But the distances involved have made the conventional wisdom here that Russia is unlikely to provide direct military support to Maduro’s government to avert a US military intervention.

Russia is an important source of financial support to the Venezuelan government, providing billions of dollars in loans, some as pre-payment for future deliveries of oil. Last month Russia dispatched two nuclear-capable Tu-160 bombers to the country in a further show of support.

While Shabaev said that the deployment of military contractors could be as large as 400 people, other sources cited by Reuters suggested the groups were smaller. There were conflicting reports about when the mercenaries may have arrived as well.

One of Reuters’ two anonymous Russian sources, who the news agency said is close to the Wagner group, said the contractors first arrived in advance of the May 2018 presidential election, but another group arrived “recently”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/25/venezuela-maduro-russia-private-security-contractors
 

Orange man bad! ORANGE MAN BAD!

Anyhow. Back on topic. Maduro's backed down from expelling the US diplomats, mainly because if the time limit ran out he knew he couldn't do anything to forcibly remove them without inviting an escalation that he's in no real position to respond to. I suspect he might go the same way on the elections thing. He'll bluster now about how he won't be dictated to by the rest of the world, but the more he holds out on that, given the fact that non-state observers (Human Rights Watch, the UN, etc.) have all found serious deficiencies in the previous elections, the more illegitimate he looks. At least if there are elections he can have a fighting chance of winning. I think he'll back down on that as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...cts-ultimatum-on-fresh-elections-in-venezuela

What is more damaging for him is the defection to the opposition of this top military envoy to the US.
 
I wonder where the US's pressure point for escalation is. Trump doesn't strike me as someone too keen on direct intervention, but it's clear from the Syrian war that hawks have a large influence over military decisions.
 
I wonder where the US's pressure point for escalation is. Trump doesn't strike me as someone too keen on direct intervention, but it's clear from the Syrian war that hawks have a large influence over military decisions.

As soon as Maduro moves on the embassies.

Trump's not Bush. He needs a legit reason to push some crapsack nation's shit back in
 
>a female Somali representative for Minnesota married to her own brother is railing against a businessman who is now president helping social-democrats overthrow a communist government in Venezuela and calling moderate socialists "far-right"
Imagine people in 1969 knowing this would be the future in 50 years.
I'm pretty sure this is exactly what hardline anti-communists in that decade predicted actually.
 
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