US 2022 Mid-Term Election

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The Ugly One said:
Some of these idiots think you can feed cities with rooftop vegetable gardens. Besides the sheer delusions about how any acres it takes to feed a human, they also think that hydroponic greenhouses on the 42nd floor are *less* resource-intensive than, you know, farms.
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Rooftop gardens are a good use of otherwise "wasted" space. The air pollution is gonna make em taste bad though.

attractive_pneumonia said:
hydroponics are less resource-intensive than traditional farming, its just almost to scale those gains to an industrial levels.
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Not entirely, see below:
In re hydroponic greenhouses:
It trades vulnerability to the weather for other issues. Less water, less fertilizer overall traded for more specialty minerals and keeping water temp/pH/oxygenation stable. Big issue though is that it's really hard to grow like, actual grain crops or tree stuff in hydroponics. It won't ever expand past veggies and herbs unless someone's a madman with Elon tiers of fuck you money, we get an actual nuclear exchange, or someone who can grift the shit out of NASA without getting whacked by the Lockheed.

Disease spreads far more rapidly and far more than row crops even in ideal conditions from my experience.
 
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Arizona probably took the headlines but Alaska just now got to now deciding who would win the Senate and House race.

Which is worse, a party like the California Democrats which fully believe in their lunacy.

Or the party like the Arizona and Alaska Republicans that are filled with traitors and got cucked hard as well as showing how useless they are.
 
The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
And look at the huge mess that's happened since then. The court's punting in that situation has led directly to the current one. Even they would realize that. If the court acts now and strikes down these issues, it would deter future shenanigans.
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The way SCOTUS handled those lawsuits has partly made me feel they deserve everything that the Biden Administration had hinted at doing. If they thought not hearing those cases would save the sanctity of the Judicial Branch they should have seen how wrong they are by now.
 
Corpun said:
The way SCOTUS handled those lawsuits has partly made me feel they deserve everything that the Biden Administration had hinted at doing. If they thought not hearing those cases would save the sanctity of the Judicial Branch they should have seen how wrong they are by now.
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SCOTUS punted because they were deathly afraid (or at least plurality with Roberts may have been) of being literally lynched by the mob.

This fury should have been directed to the legislative branch of the states as they have the sole authority to appoint electors but was not. Of course it would not happen, that requires having a backbone, of which modern leaders and politicians lack.

Like the Dred Scott v. Sandford or Wickard v. Filburn, the court's insistence to solve a problem (previous times by pressure from the executive) instead of trying to arrive at the correct legal conclusion pisses people off.

Not to mention the entire shitshow that is the Electoral Counts Act. They should lock all members of Congress inside their respective chambers until they come to a conclusion with only bread and water.
Another may be to require all houses of legislature (Upper and lower, or Nebraska's sole house) + the governor to send separate slates and check if they are conflicting, and if they are it triggers an automatic objection. Then again, always expect government to choose the worst choice.
 
NeoGAF Lurker said:
The fact that there’s no startup making waves by claiming they have it solved means that it’s so unlikely that even the SV huckster crowd can’t make it work just enough to funnel any venture capital their way.
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thats because the leading scientists in this field are all dutch and no VC company want to deal with the dutch...
but you dont even have to go full vertical. greenhouse grown strawberry starter are a giant plus in yield and quality when compared to field grown.
Its also cheaper and uses next to no labor.

Urban gardens dont work, but you can still produce alot of food in an urban environment. our local parks are full nut trees and everybody is allowed to pick them up. chestnuts and walnuts trees are beautyful and they hproduce alot of nuts
 
Stoneheart said:
thats because the leading scientists in this field are all dutch and no VC company want to deal with the dutch...
but you dont even have to go full vertical. greenhouse grown strawberry starter are a giant plus in yield and quality when compared to field grown.
Its also cheaper and uses next to no labor.

Urban gardens dont work, but you can still produce alot of food in an urban environment. our local parks are full nut trees and everybody is allowed to pick them up. chestnuts and walnuts trees are beautyful and they hproduce alot of nuts
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It's because it would be a colossal waste of resources given we have just so much undeveloped arable land. We're not running out of that any time soon and until we do using resources to build vertically or even semi-vertical hydroponic crop towers will be prohibitively expensive relative to normal agriculture.

Also I can't find any objective evidence for the strawberry claim. I see it repeated with sites offering to sell services related to it though, and that seems to be the only place. Which is a pretty significant red flag. What I can find is that greenhouse strawberries are more predictable in terms of yield than pure field planted. So if you have a reputable source for that claim please sure, cause I sure as shit can't find it.
 
MrJokerRager said:
Arizona probably took the headlines but Alaska just now got to now deciding who would win the Senate and House race.

Which is worse, a party like the California Democrats which fully believe in their lunacy.

Or the party like the Arizona and Alaska Republicans that are filled with traitors and got cucked hard as well as showing how useless they are.
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Supposedly 20% of voters that participated in the 2020 and 2018 race just decided to not vote this year.
 
introvertedobserver said:
Also I can't find any objective evidence for the strawberry claim. I see it repeated with sites offering to sell services related to it though, and that seems to be the only place. Which is a pretty significant red flag. What I can find is that greenhouse strawberries are more predictable in terms of yield than pure field planted. So if you have a reputable source for that claim please sure, cause I sure as shit can't find it.
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I dont think i will be able to find the good article in some farmers union publication again, their archive is terrible.
they compared full greenhouse, full field and started in a greenhouse and finished on the field and half and half close to full greenhouse while being able to grow higher quality strawberries.

But why would farmers change from field to partial field strawberries without a clear upsite?
I havent seen any of those plastic tunnels on the fields in some time, btu there is alot of activity on strawberry fields in late spring.
Agra-tech changes pretty fast, when it comes to high value items. Asparagus fields also have been looking alot different for the last couple of years, now they have some dark covering for pretty much the whole season.
 
Stoneheart said:
But why would farmers change from field to partial field strawberries without a clear upsite?
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They wont.
The major downside to those vertical farming systems is the specialty product cost (Like the fiber/plastic little containers). That and you would have to spend time and money re configuring from your original setup.
Also it has issues with irrigation, those usually use aeriation systems (think bubblers) that need to be cleaned frequently, hard water will gunk them up. Another one is mold/algae control in those.
For example, some of the vert systems rely on water constantly flowing down a vertical pipe at a trickle. Algae, sludge, hard water issues galore. Cheaper and easier to flood a row or use sprinklers since the sprikler line nominally is self enclosed instead of open to the environment.

Edit: High tunnel (greenhouse but plastic film instead of proper pannels) + water "gutter" is a proper cultivation method.
Stoneheart said:
Urban gardens dont work, but you can still produce alot of food in an urban environment.
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Pollution being absorbed is a concern. Heavy metal absorption particularly.

Stoneheart said:
our local parks are full nut trees and everybody is allowed to pick them up.
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Legal issues, some retard gets sick and sues.
Stoneheart said:
chestnuts and walnuts trees are beautyful and they hproduce alot of nuts
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Try planting a walnut on the top of a roof and I will laugh when that tree decides to either
1) Have the taproot circle and rootbound the tree, stunting, and dying.
2)Have the taproot rack your roof (yes, it can be that strong)
3) Collapse and fall down, injuring you or others and damaging the house (Hint: Fungal rots)
The root zone of the tree is roughly 2-3x it's canopy. Think about that for a second.

Now for commercial production it becomes even less viable. You've got to keep water running in some configuration throughout the critical root zone (1-1.5x the canopy), while maximizing sunlight into the canopy, while keeping debris from landing into said water, while also being able to maneuver around equipment (airblast sprayers, ladders, pruners, etc). Did I also mention you can't just dump a vat of X mineral needed into the water or it will shock and kill the tree?

Finally, walnut trees grow slow as molasses, unless you grow a Thompson black walnut maybe (And black walnut isn't easy to crack and hence not "sellable" because first world issues). Chestnuts are a meme food because lol Chestnut blight for American Chestnuts and lol a "small" (In US terms) drought will nuke your Chinese chestnuts.
 
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♂CANAM productions♂ said:
Try planting a walnut on the top of a roof and I will laugh when that tree decides to either
1) Have the taproot circle and rootbound the tree, stunting, and dying.
2)Have the taproot rack your roof (yes, it can be that strong)
3) Collapse and fall down, injuring you or others and damaging the house (Hint: Fungal rots)
The root zone of the tree is roughly 2-3x it's canopy. Think about that for a second.
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no, not on roof tops, but you want soem shading all around town and nut trees are pretty good at that.

introvertedobserver said:
Good marketing, good booze, business contracts, they're being sponsored to, etc... etc...
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maybe, but i doubt that, the scale is just to big and the market to hard right now to play games.

♂CANAM productions♂ said:
The major downside to those vertical farming systems is the specialty product cost (Like the fiber/plastic little containers). That and you would have to spend time and money re configuring from your original setup.
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thats why its done with high margin food right now.

♂CANAM productions♂ said:
Also it has issues with irrigation, those usually use aeriation systems (think bubblers) that need to be cleaned frequently, hard water will gunk them up. Another one is mold/algae control in those.
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sure there are some costs, but the upside looks to be worth it. high quality strawberries have a very short window and the plants dont like cold springs. so planting well grown strawberries shortly before season begins takes away alot of risk. the technologies used are also super cheap and are used everywhere, but most of the time with much smaller seedlings.


♂CANAM productions♂ said:
Edit: High tunnel (greenhouse but plastic film instead of proper pannels) + water "gutter" is a proper cultivation method.
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those were common a for some time, but i havent seen any in 2 or 3 years, but that could be because the only not basic fields are asparagus and strawberry around here.
Asparagus gets a dark foil directly on the mount while strawberries are planted shortly before season. those cashcrops are abit special, so it could be that they use those tunnels elsewhere for different plants.
 
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