US 2022 Mid-Term Election

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Everyone we need to get the populists in get rid of the establishment cronies.
 
I hope the Dems continue to push open borders and the trans shit so come midterms they'll get fucked hard.

Of course the media could always blame those damn ruskies.
 
CaesarCzech said:
Not Gay,Not Into Trannies Either, And Cant deal with you Laqueisha shit either so thats going to be hard pass from me.
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You took that choice away from black folx when you enslaved us so yo best believe your upcoming sodomy is not going to be your choice, poltard. The moral arc of the universe is wrong but it bends towards rape.
 
Begemot said:
You took that choice away from black folx when you enslaved us so yo best believe your upcoming sodomy is not going to be your choice, poltard. The moral arc of the universe is wrong but it bends towards rape.
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I guess time its to use my white privilege,pull out a credit card, hire a russian soldier and then we are gonna talk rape.
 
OrangeJuliusEvola said:
I think the difficulty in being conservative in the United States comes from the very origin of the nation, which was radical for the time. The very idea that an individual has certain inalienable rights and liberties (heck, the very word liberty itself) is in contradiction to the idea that the individual be suborned to things like tradition and order. Granted, these ideas did not emerge out of the blue, but are instead a conscious decision the arose from the fact that the Founding Fathers shared a love of Classical Greece and Rome, and an awareness that the compositional areas of the United States were derived of very different folkways, religious systems, etc (read "Albion's Seed" for more info on that), and needed some overarching principles to guide them together as a nation lest as various small states they all hang apart to paraphrase Franklin.

It wasn't so bad when we were a small mostly agrarian republic. You didn't like the community values of your neighbors or the bothersome tax collector? You fucked off West. Now, for a very long time, that hasn't been the case, and natural conservative starts off on the back foot when having to argue against a positive liberty, leading to the prioritization of defense of negative liberties. Given the raging bonfires turned trashfires of modernity and post-modernity and you have natural conservatives picking and choosing their battles, and seemingly losing all of them.

In my eyes, and this is completely an opinion, the purge of the paleoconservative strain of thought from the Republican party that began with that closeted toff Bill Buckley and triumphed with Reagan's celebration of economic, cultural and foreign policy excess was gasoline on the slow burning fire of critical theory (my preferred term for what current mainstream conservatives call Cultural Marxism), is why we are where we are today.

So, to ironically quote Lenin, "What is to be Done?" Well, I most certainly don't have a master plan, I'm just some fucking idiot on the internet who's read too many books and shitposts and I would be highly skeptical of anyone who claims to have a plan. I have some intuitions. First and most importantly, this is going to take time. If you're really focused on the next couple of elections, well yes, it seems like nothing at all will change, particularly if you're looking at the top. You need to look local first and extend outward from there. Like I said before, think decades, think generations. Get involved in your local institutions, all of them, not necessarily political. Change won't come from shitposting here or anywhere else. Next, know this long fight will have its setbacks and temporary compromises. Bismarck said "Politics is the art of the possible." If you give up working towards something because your end goal is currently impossible, it will always remain impossible, find that which is possible in that direction and work towards there, even if it seems like surrender at that moment in time.

Be pragmatic. I voted for Trump both times even though on many levels I found him personally distasteful. One thing I did and still do admire about him is his own political pragmatism. Yes, in his oratory he was all populist sturm und drang, but when it came down to getting to work, he was a remarkably canny and flexible operator. Most of his failures to achieve much came from his own naivety about the way politics work, his apparent ADHD when it came to things that needed sustained attention and focus, and a dismaying susceptibility to flattery and fakers.

Be pragmatic. If you can't have a true conservative, take the MAGAtard, if you can't have the MAGAtard, then take the RINO who will side with you when you have points of alignment, if you can't have that, then take RINO who isn't going to commit political suicide to sell out, if you can't have that, then take the DINO, if you can't have that, and you're like me in a deep blue state, then you vote for the crazed dangerhair who will fuck shit up for the mainstream Dems, so they spend their time infighting rather than dealing with conservatives. You're probably never going to get everything you want unless you run for office yourself, so just deal with compromise. That's life.
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The problem is that conservatism, as a political ideology, has zero vision. Conservatism is merely the principle that social and political change should be incremental rather than disruptive and revolutionary, and that the changes should take into account various interests, costs, knock-on effects, etc.

Conservatism is a failed political ideology, because it completely absolves its adherents of any responsibility to drive changes or come up with any vision for the future. A conservative wants no say in deciding what the direction of any change is going to be, so when the people in charge of change decide that the next phase is going to be getting rid of conservatives completely, all a conservative can do is sputter about principles. Conservatives have been expelled from every American institution, because conservatives decided it wasn't their job to decide who gets expelled from institutions.

Trump got as far as he did, and was opposed by conservative leadership, because he is truly not a conservative in the deepest sense. Trump saw problems he wanted to fix, institutions he wanted to change, and had a positive vision for the future. That whole mindset is alien to conservatives, and they found it deeply unsettling how so very few Republican voters were attracted to Make America Great Again instead of Stand Athwart History Yelling Stop.
 
But dude, SJWs will win forever and nothing will ever swing the other way again. We must give up and curse jews from our basement like an lolcow Twitter strawman. Only Hibler can save us from the red wave as Republican voters. All is lost! DOOOOM!


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Mothra88 said:
But dude, SJWs will win forever and nothing will ever swing the other way again. We must give up and curse jews from our basement like an lolcow Twitter strawman. Only Hibler can save us from the red wave as Republican voters. All is lost! DOOOOM!


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As great as it'd be for Musk to take over Twitter, don't count your eggs before they hatch.
 
Lone Star said:
As great as it'd be for Musk to take over Twitter, don't count your eggs before they hatch.
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If they reject his bid, the stock price will go into the toilet, so it's a win win either way. I'm sure Musk has gamed out several possibilities.
 
The Ugly One said:
The problem is that conservatism, as a political ideology, has zero vision. Conservatism is merely the principle that social and political change should be incremental rather than disruptive and revolutionary, and that the changes should take into account various interests, costs, knock-on effects, etc.

Conservatism is a failed political ideology, because it completely absolves its adherents of any responsibility to drive changes or come up with any vision for the future. A conservative wants no say in deciding what the direction of any change is going to be, so when the people in charge of change decide that the next phase is going to be getting rid of conservatives completely, all a conservative can do is sputter about principles. Conservatives have been expelled from every American institution, because conservatives decided it wasn't their job to decide who gets expelled from institutions.

Trump got as far as he did, and was opposed by conservative leadership, because he is truly not a conservative in the deepest sense. Trump saw problems he wanted to fix, institutions he wanted to change, and had a positive vision for the future. That whole mindset is alien to conservatives, and they found it deeply unsettling how so very few Republican voters were attracted to Make America Great Again instead of Stand Athwart History Yelling Stop.
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I don't necessarily disagree with your assertion. I suppose that I should make the points of my original post clearer.

Conservatism as a political ideology failed because it *cannot exist* within the United States. It's literally baked into formation of the nation and the formulation of its foundational principles, which are explicitly propositional in nature and not organic. It certainly can exist as an ideology in other nations and cultures, with proactive goals and societal visions. In fact they can be so powerful that something like Communism can spend decades attempting to erase it, only to have it pop right up again from the soil like mushrooms after the rain, as Slavophilic Orthodoxy did after the fall of the USSR, and Confucian social mores did within the damned CCP of China itself.

This was not a failing of the Founding Fathers, who included men with strong conservative inclinations like George Washington. They simply recognized that the core values of the nation simply *could not be* conservative. The core values, religion, folkways, etc were far too different. The only thing a Puritan merchant from Boston, a Quaker Farmer from Pennsylvania, an Anglican slave-owning tobacco plantation owner and a Presbyterian Appalachian backwoodsman could agree on was that they were sick of the King of England's bullshit, and that they needed to work together to become and stay independent and free. Hence the creation of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and a structuring of a government that would keep larger elements of the nation from dominating smaller ones.

As such, every political battle in the United States, has been between two competing factions of folks who have differing interpretations of of what liberty is. And both factions had until recently elements within them of conservative inclinations. These elements don't exist anymore within either parties. First the Dixiecrats got a stake in their heart by the Civil Rights movement, and then the Paleoconservatives were hounded out of existence by the Reagan and Bush Republicans at the behest of K-street lobbyists and neoconservative Israel shills who didn't like the paleo aversion to libertarian economic policies and pointless foreign entanglements. Being that conservatives like myself exist only as inclinations within a larger movement, once we are consciously purged, we are bereft of a political home until the next great realignment occurs.

Trump is not a conservative, for sure. That said, even to the likes of myself who would prefer a Solon, the real estate tycoon and reality television star is a damn sight better than the corrupt and belligerent geriatric kleptocrats currently pillaging the nation from within while barbarians gather in the distance.
 
Mothra88 said:
But dude, SJWs will win forever and nothing will ever swing the other way again. We must give up and curse jews from our basement like an lolcow Twitter strawman. Only Hibler can save us from the red wave as Republican voters. All is lost! DOOOOM!


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Man I don't know what to think about elon musk with Twitter here. Anything is better then having Twitter ruled by the current blue hairs. That being said apparently I might have to support it because it's triggering those in the Trump enslavement thread.
 
OrangeJuliusEvola said:
I don't necessarily disagree with your assertion. I suppose that I should make the points of my original post clearer.

Conservatism as a political ideology failed because it *cannot exist* within the United States. It's literally baked into formation of the nation and the formulation of its foundational principles, which are explicitly propositional in nature and not organic. It certainly can exist as an ideology in other nations and cultures, with proactive goals and societal visions. In fact they can be so powerful that something like Communism can spend decades attempting to erase it, only to have it pop right up again from the soil like mushrooms after the rain, as Slavophilic Orthodoxy did after the fall of the USSR, and Confucian social mores did within the damned CCP of China itself.
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Conservatism failed in the UK, where it originated, for the same reason. The foreign phenomena you describe aren't "conservative." A "conservative" isn't someone who seeks to restore ancient traditions or return to the old ways. He's somebody who attempts to make sure the latest wave of progress announced by liberals doesn't cause too much social upheaval. Without liberals to moderate, conservatives don't exist.

But conservatism fails because it lacks a positive vision. If you have a positive vision, meaning a destination you'd like to take society that requires action and effort, whether it's gay space communism or Slavophilic Orthodoxy, you are definitionally not conservative because you are seeking change.

For example, in America, if you want to preserve Title IX women's sports from transgender incursions, you're conservative. If you want to abolish Title IX, you're right-wing, but not conservative.
 
Mothra88 said:
But dude, SJWs will win forever and nothing will ever swing the other way again. We must give up and curse jews from our basement like an lolcow Twitter strawman. Only Hibler can save us from the red wave as Republican voters. All is lost! DOOOOM!


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A SJW is buying a company full of SJWs.

"Am departing presidential councils. Climate change is real. Leaving Paris is not good for America or the world," Musk said Thursday on Twitter, shortly after the president announced from the Rose Garden that he would begin the process of leaving the accord.
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Sex Cannon Lupa said:
A SJW is buying a company full of SJWs.
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Purity sprialling of this kind is really old and tired and usually great evidence that someone is actually for the opposition. The fact that this started over Musk being mad about what happened to the Babylon Bee over a troon joke should say it all, but no because he disagrees on one issue you cherry picked or isn't a /pol/ autist shouting nigger at people on an airliner, Twitter, which was the express train into clown world since 2010, being effectively destroyed as a left wing culdgel to beat people with is a bad thing. Yeah, sure thing. I really believe you.
 
Mothra88 said:
Purity sprialling of this kind is really old and tired and usually great evidence that someone is actually for the opposition. The fact that this started over Musk being mad about what happened to the Babylon Bee over a troon joke should say it all, but no because he disagrees on one issue you cherry picked or isn't a /pol/ autist shouting nigger at people on an airliner, Twitter, which was the express train into clown world since 2010, being effectively destroyed as a left wing culdgel to beat people with is a bad thing. Yeah, sure thing. I really believe you.
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So, if I'm translating this correctly, he got mad about the Babylon Bee, which has now established his credentials as a dyed-in-the-wool DARK MAGA supporter intent on bringing a new dawn of conservatism to America and the West, and he's beginning that quest by buying Twitter and making it a bastion, a CITY UPON A HILL if you will, of right-wing thought? This is what you gathered from him being mad about the Babylon Bee?
 
The Ugly One said:
Conservatism failed in the UK, where it originated, for the same reason. The foreign phenomena you describe aren't "conservative." A "conservative" isn't someone who seeks to restore ancient traditions or return to the old ways. He's somebody who attempts to make sure the latest wave of progress announced by liberals doesn't cause too much social upheaval. Without liberals to moderate, conservatives don't exist.

But conservatism fails because it lacks a positive vision. If you have a positive vision, meaning a destination you'd like to take society that requires action and effort, whether it's gay space communism or Slavophilic Orthodoxy, you are definitionally not conservative because you are seeking change.

For example, in America, if you want to preserve Title IX women's sports from transgender incursions, you're conservative. If you want to abolish Title IX, you're right-wing, but not conservative.
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Look, I can agree that any ideology that has the thought of Burke as a centerpiece is bound to collapse under its own contradictions, but let's be reasonable here instead of tendentious. To conflate definitions of conservatism in order to say that ideologies of conservatism don't exist is an appeal to definition. I can certainly say someone like Brezhnev was a "conservative Bolshevik" in that he wished to preserve revolutionary Communism as he understood it, but that doesn't mean there are no substantive thought and principles behind ideas of traditionalism and order that goes under that definition of conservative, or that all such thought is *actually* purely reactionary in nature.

But at this point I think we're entering into a descriptivist/prescriptivist divide here, and shall we just agree to disagree?
 
OrangeJuliusEvola said:
Look, I can agree that any ideology that has the thought of Burke as a centerpiece is bound to collapse under its own contradictions, but let's be reasonable here instead of tendentious. To conflate definitions of conservatism in order to say that ideologies of conservatism don't exist is an appeal to definition. I can certainly say someone like Brezhnev was a "conservative Bolshevik" in that he wished to preserve revolutionary Communism as he understood it, but that doesn't mean there are no substantive thought and principles behind ideas of traditionalism and order that goes under that definition of conservative, or that all such thought is *actually* purely reactionary in nature.

But at this point I think we're entering into a descriptivist/prescriptivist divide here, and shall we just agree to disagree?
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I think we are somewhat talking past each other.

An American traditionalism could have worked, but conservatives aren't traditionalists. What happened in both the USA and the UK is that the reaction against liberalism coalesced ideologically and organizationally around the principle of being completely against action. Liberals act, conservatives slam on the brakes. When you're ideologically against action, you're also against seeking and using power. Conservatism, referring here to that Burke-descended ideology that has had the American right by the throat for over a century, has no intrinsic principle motivating its adherents to try and obtain power. Power is a means, and conservatism has no ends. Thus conservatives found themselves incrementally expelled from every institution.

In politics, whoever has the initiative has an advantage. If I have an agenda, and your only agenda is to stop me, then the natural outcome is for me to get at least part of what I want. The Trump administration is a good example of this. The entire force of American government was arrayed against him, but their only agenda was to stop him. He was able to get part of what he wanted on the border, trade, and war because the only agenda anyone else had was "not that!"

What we see is that when you have a vision and a goal, something motivating you to get power and use it, you can get somewhere.
 
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