Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

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TheCrabber said:
There is currently drama surronded a deltarune content channel called wiztale. This user was disliked before for his content how sloppy it felt like and the fact some of his posts seem ai. A youtuber named Zagmaggot made a video calling Wiztale out, which led to him being doxxed, sent death threats and gore videos, and apprently a lawsuit from wiztale himself. Zatmaggot also apologized for the vid he made on wiztale though most see it as blackmail.

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nigga's getting sent death threats and gore and he's worried about slurs
 
Another theory I subscribe too is the connection between Sean and FRIEND, I don't think it's a coincidence how the former always knows how to obtain the next shadow crystal while almost all of the latter's in-game appearances have involved the crystals in some way.
 
TheCrackMonkey said:
Another theory I subscribe too is the connection between Sean and FRIEND, I don't think it's a coincidence how the former always knows how to obtain the next shadow crystal while almost all of the latter's in-game appearances have involved the crystals in some way.
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Hmm...
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Still thinking about chapter 3.
So Kris opens a fountain in his own house, knowing the Knight would arrive to take Toriel. You'd think this means that he's aware the Knight is going to make a move, and is trying to prevent it by scheming up a way to keep all of his friends together for the best shot at protecting her, right? Except, no-hitting the Knight shows an implication that Kris and the Knight staged the entire fight. Win or lose, the Knight moves in to grab Toriel. In comes Undyne, whom is immediately kidnapped as the Knight flees the scene. So what's the purpose of the chapter? The Knight needs to bring somebody to the bunker, for some reason. If they needed just anybody, why not grab a nameless NPC? Why Toriel? Why is Undyne fine, too? Narratively, I think the purpose is to give the player a vested interest in opening the bunker, and for some reason it had to be done without directly addressing the player and telling them that they need to go there. For some reason, it is important that the player is not made aware of the fact that more people than just Kris specifically the Knight and probably Carol are aware of the player. Maybe that's why he kicks the shit out of you after you ThornRing Noelle; you literally tell her that you're listening. That's the point of no return.

The entire chapter was made up of board games that nobody except the player, hopefully, wanted to play, fitting the throughline established in the previous two chapters. Enter a new world of intrigue, find a tyrant that's making the Darkners miserable, go through some wacky hijinks and earn a heartwarming ending where the tyrant either gets overthrown or decides to stop being such an ass. Of course, the fact that Kris made the Fountain is going to be in the back of the player's mind the whole time. I'm wondering if this is why Toby wanted chapters 3,4,5 to be bundled together. 3 serves an important narrative bridge to 4, but that bridge comes at the ass-end of the chapter. It also serves as a way to front-load most of the comedy in this bundle of chapters into a tightly-packed Tenna time bomb. It's forced, but it's in service of getting you to question the main character's motives as well as the villain's, while also giving you more opportunities to have fun. It might be a bit much for some players if you didn't have that buffer.
 
Cryogonal2 said:
Still thinking about chapter 3
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Pretty sure the plan WAS to steal Undyne. Considering that Kris specifically slashed tiers on the car so Toriel would call the police, which is subsequently mainly Undyne. Interestingly enough, she's the only person besides the mayor to know the shelter code as we know from Alphys.

Also, notice the knight does some weird shit by shooting the beam out of it's hands. But kidnpaps Undyne just by taking her away and fleeing. I'm sure if the knight needed only one person, then it would steal Toriel the same it did Undyne.

Pretty sure there's something more to the plan than to just steal a random person...
 
Bob Barbas said:
The meta shit has been so done to death at this point I just can't force myself to give a shit.
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And its a shame since im a sucker for meta plots if done right. I think they get too much hate due to retarded writers really.
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"Wow Kris, you were right, Susie does wear a wig! Why did you tell me to take it off of her while she was sleeping?"

Having a tablet again is great, btw.
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Thats why noelle is best girl. Unlike susie she isn't a SWARTHY bald nigger-coded character with yellow sickle cell eyes! SHE IS AN ARYAN QUEEN AND AN EXTREMELY
WHITE-CODED CHARACTER!

FUHRER TOBY SAN...I KNEEL!
 
smartgenius55583433157 said:
Pretty sure the plan WAS to steal Undyne. Considering that Kris specifically slashed tiers on the car so Toriel would call the police, which is subsequently mainly Undyne. Interestingly enough, she's the only person besides the mayor to know the shelter code as we know from Alphys.

Also, notice the knight does some weird shit by shooting the beam out of it's hands. But kidnpaps Undyne just by taking her away and fleeing. I'm sure if the knight needed only one person, then it would steal Toriel the same it did Undyne.

Pretty sure there's something more to the plan than to just steal a random person...
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In that case, maybe the Knight is taking anyone who could know parts of the code to the bunker?
 
Cryogonal2 said:
In that case, maybe the Knight is taking anyone who could know parts of the code to the bunker?
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Remember that the child safety lock set in the TV world was 1225?

And the shelter's code is implied to be 1225 as well.

If we assume that the child safety lock was set by Toriel (Presumably for explicit channels), then we can also assume that somehow Toriel also knows about the shelter code.

It can't just so happen that the passwords just happen to be the same.
 
smartgenius55583433157 said:
Remember that the child safety lock set in the TV world was 1225?
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Its also the amount of points you need to insert into the gatcha machine in order to get into the creepypasta maze, honestly, I believe the number is tied to Dess, rather than being a random number Toriel added, there are 3 different parental locks, after all:
  • 213 for R-rated movies.
  • 1225 is for music videos, the kind of music videos Tenna pointed out to be Dess favourites.
  • I forgot what 000000 was for.
smartgenius55583433157 said:
And the shelter's code is implied to be 1225 as well.
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I want to think the shelter code is something else actually, like 1206 (the immaculate conception), the holiday family with obsessed with christmas, it would make sense that the password starts with 12 (december), but could easily be 1225, but it would be less because Toriel knows something and more because the Holiday family is REALLY obsessed with christmas and toby fox knows nothing about christianity and couldn't bother to do his homeworks on the topic.
 
smartgenius55583433157 said:
Remember that the child safety lock set in the TV world was 1225?

And the shelter's code is implied to be 1225 as well.

If we assume that the child safety lock was set by Toriel (Presumably for explicit channels), then we can also assume that somehow Toriel also knows about the shelter code.

It can't just so happen that the passwords just happen to be the same.
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I agree. How did Toriel specifically know Carol's segment of the code? Surely she knows Asgore's, too. Maybe even Gerson's segment as well, she's closely involved with the church. I'm assuming Kris knows the whole code, but doesn't want the player knowing. I think Kris is a homunculus and was created in the Bunker just to be the Cage. I have no evidence pointing towards this but I am going to assert it as a fact anyway
 
Strangolapreti said:
I want to think the shelter code is something else actually, like 1206
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Actually, we do get a peek of the third number of the shelter code written inside the guitar right before Kris yanks us.

"1 2 [long pause] 2-" and then we get ripped out.

So quite likely it's 1225.

Also, I'm more than sure Toby Fox won't do chirtstian references less obvious than the literal ThornRing/Noelle being crucified...
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smartgenius55583433157 said:
"1 2 [long pause] 2-" and then we get ripped out.
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There's a small chance that its either 1224 or 1226, considering that those days are marked as festivities too, but I heavily doubt it at this point, now that you reminded me we know the third number already.
Still, 1224 is the christmas vigil, it doesn't hold no religious meaning, but its treated as a festivity just like christmas itself, and the start of the holyday themselves, I'm sure you can find spefic meaning with that day theorycraft a reason behind the bunker featuring in said code, maybe tied to the origin of something tied to the Holiday family, like their wealth.
1226 is St. Stephan, the first martyr of christian history, there's a 99.9% this ain't gonna be the code, but for that 0.1%, it could represents that, whatever happened inside the bunker, Dess may have sacrified herself to save someone else (likely Kris).
smartgenius55583433157 said:
Noelle being crucified...
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There is a reason the roman crucified non-roman citizens, it considered among the slowest and most painful form of execution and they used them less for pushing people and more to send a message to the rest of the population.
Considering that, its pretty fucked up that toby dedcided to have Noelle crucified by Queen, a character meant to be hyperprotective of her.
Several timesn more than the wilting rose.
 
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