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One of Toby Fox's best songs (Another Medium is my #1) and my favorite part of Deltarune so far. I like Chapter 1 and 2 and haven't really played since 2021 when 2 released, I was still a teenager. Time flies. Deltarune CH1 came out when I was 13. I'll probably be like 24+ by the time the last chapters release.
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what if kris without the soul counts as an inanimate object and the reason he cant enter the dark world without it is because hed become a darkner
 
Is a corpse an inanimate object? Cause I think Kris is in a weird sort of life and death limbo and we are the only thread tethering them to the light world. Dead people for all we know could be titans or part of them, and that could be what the other side is. Im getting schizo again. I feel like there is a theme of the fear of death or tragedy thats going on but still not really sure

I feel like he would put undead in his game or the fear of the undead, amalgams of human souls maybe?
 
Chuck's Feed and Seed said:
what if kris without the soul counts as an inanimate object and the reason he cant enter the dark world without it is because hed become a darkner
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fat_rat_on_the_grass said:
Is a corpse an inanimate object? Cause I think Kris is in a weird sort of life and death limbo and we are the only thread tethering them to the light world. Dead people for all we know could be titans or part of them, and that could be what the other side is. Im getting schizo again. I feel like there is a theme of the fear of death or tragedy thats going on but still not really sure

I feel like he would put undead in his game or the fear of the undead, amalgams of human souls maybe?
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Why would a dusted monster like Gerson still be revived as a lightner, with memories intact, if that were the case? He still exists presumably as himself being brought back from a snowglobe with an object related to him in it and the remnants of his body. Gerson could count as undead being brought back this way. Don't souls shatter separate from the body? Undertale showed it, may have specifically for boss monsters, and the rules could have changed in Deltarune. I guess the here assumption is, would Kris be able to leave after entering a dark world without the soul, if it's needed to seal them?

Edit: Yeah as his dark world self, Gerson wouldn't be able to leave. I don't see that being different for a soulless human body that's still animate, just not sure how he'd be made into a darkner.
 
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I had a running theory that the dark worlds show a "truth" of an object to some degree, and Kris turns cyanotic blue because he's essentially a walking corpse animated by a foreign soul. I don't think he's actually a zombie. More conceptually.

He definitely can't survive without us though. In Noelle's house, after he puts the soul back in, he collapses and has to compose himself for a second. Seems like he couldn't handle that level of activity for very long without the soul.
 
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I had a running theory that the dark worlds show a "truth" of an object to some degree, and Kris turns cyanotic blue because he's essentially a walking corpse animated by a foreign soul. I don't think he's actually a zombie. More conceptually.

He definitely can't survive without us though. In Noelle's house, after he puts the soul back in, he collapses and has to compose himself for a second. Seems like he couldn't handle that level of activity for very long without the soul.
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Chapter 4 implies it's just the lighting, which is why they change colors in Susie's dark world
 
Why do people believe that Noelle is the girl in the prophecy with the sword? I don't see any antlers on that image and it clearly looks like Susie, big barney nose and everything. I see people talk about it like it's fact.
 
Borplesnort said:
I had a running theory that the dark worlds show a "truth" of an object to some degree, and Kris turns cyanotic blue because he's essentially a walking corpse animated by a foreign soul. I don't think he's actually a zombie. More conceptually.

He definitely can't survive without us though. In Noelle's house, after he puts the soul back in, he collapses and has to compose himself for a second. Seems like he couldn't handle that level of activity for very long without the soul.
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I see, and it turns Susie pink because she thinks pepto bismol is an energy drink.
 
Borplesnort said:
He definitely can't survive without us though. In Noelle's house, after he puts the soul back in, he collapses and has to compose himself for a second. Seems like he couldn't handle that level of activity for very long without the soul.
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I'm not sure, I read that more as removing the soul like that takes a toll on his body. Removing/inserting it like that was too much for him, and that's just the first time we see it.

Then again, in the weird route, does he stumble after re-inserting it at all?
 
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Why do people believe that Noelle is the girl in the prophecy with the sword? I don't see any antlers on that image and it clearly looks like Susie, big barney nose and everything. I see people talk about it like it's fact.
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Noelle is actually able to equip some swords. Notably the black shard (trait of the family, I guess) and the jingle sword (the weapon made from the pen you can take from her home).
You need to hack the game a little to see that, tough.
 
The girl from the prophecy might have been Dess.

Perhaps Snowgrave isn't really about the player being evil (although it can be) but about course correction.

Suzy as the substitute might really spell out problems later.

So the player is going back, forcing Noelle to take her proper role to stop something terrible from happening in the normal route.
 
ruckingfetard said:
Why do people believe that Noelle is the girl in the prophecy with the sword? I don't see any antlers on that image and it clearly looks like Susie, big barney nose and everything. I see people talk about it like it's fact.
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The girl from Ralsei’s version of the prophecy is clearly Susie, but the actual prophecy is more vague. But as for points against it being Susie:
  • The “big barney nose” is much higher up and looks more like the lip of a cloak, like Noelle’s dark world cloak.
  • The girl has a sword. Susie can’t equip swords, but Noelle can.
  • The way the prophecy talks about the female hero followed by “at last was the girl” (complete with Rude Buster symbol) implies they’re two different people.
  • “LOVE FINDS ITS WAY TO THE GIRL” could mean the girl from the prophecy falls in love… or it could mean LOVE (Level of Violence) takes control of the girl, which fits perfectly with us taking control of Noelle in the weird route. The picture even shows a heart on the girl, like the soul inside Noelle.
There’s some other stuff like how we can always order Noelle around but Susie is able to disobey us and defy the prophecy, but those are the main points.
 
Two Dollars said:
The girl from Ralsei’s version of the prophecy is clearly Susie, but the actual prophecy is more vague. But as for points against it being Susie:
  • The “big barney nose” is much higher up and looks more like the lip of a cloak, like Noelle’s dark world cloak.
  • The girl has a sword. Susie can’t equip swords, but Noelle can.
  • The way the prophecy talks about the female hero followed by “at last was the girl” (complete with Rude Buster symbol) implies they’re two different people.
  • “LOVE FINDS ITS WAY TO THE GIRL” could mean the girl from the prophecy falls in love… or it could mean LOVE (Level of Violence) takes control of the girl, which fits perfectly with us taking control of Noelle in the weird route. The picture even shows a heart on the girl, like the soul inside Noelle.
There’s some other stuff like how we can always order Noelle around but Susie is able to disobey us and defy the prophecy, but those are the main points.
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To add, Gerson thinking Susie should have "the pen" - the sword, which Susie corrects him with saying that's what Kris has, and she thinks hers is "a hairbrush", which at least a version of the axe is in the light world, with the swords clearly being shown as pens/pencils. Gerson is working off of what he thinks the prophecy is, and it doesn't line up with the fun gang as is.
 
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