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I really miss the old Susie dialogue, I liked her better when she was more abrasive.
Honestly same, she does a complete 180 after Chapter 1. Everyone talks about how Ralsei became more faggy after chapter 1 but nobody talks about how Susie changed from mean bully to funni chaotic dumbass almost instantly after chapter 1. I kind of wish we had a few moments here and there of Susie feeding old habits, maybe saying or doing something she didn't quite mean in the moment, ect. It just feels weird that she has a complete character 180 that quickly.
 
Who could've guessed that an episodic format spread out over multiple years could have severe pacing issues when it comes to characterization? :smug:
 
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Honestly same, she does a complete 180 after Chapter 1. Everyone talks about how Ralsei became more faggy after chapter 1 but nobody talks about how Susie changed from mean bully to funni chaotic dumbass almost instantly after chapter 1. I kind of wish we had a few moments here and there of Susie feeding old habits, maybe saying or doing something she didn't quite mean in the moment, ect. It just feels weird that she has a complete character 180 that quickly.
The only instance I can think of is when she kicks the bunker door to scare Monster Kid and Snowy after implying Kris is a pussy ass bitch, but I foresee a proper Susie sperg out when she realizes Kris is a ratatouille rat in a chapter or two.
 
Kris is a ratatouille rat
Nuh uh, Kris is clearly Linguini
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I’m not sure if this has been asked before, but why does almost every single piece of Undertale/Deltarune Fanart look so faggy and gay?
Because a high percentage of the fanbase's population are teenagers
nobody talks about how Susie changed from mean bully to funni chaotic dumbass almost instantly after chapter 1.
The whole mean bully thing was a facade, so there's not much to say about it.
 
Honestly same, she does a complete 180 after Chapter 1. Everyone talks about how Ralsei became more faggy after chapter 1 but nobody talks about how Susie changed from mean bully to funni chaotic dumbass almost instantly after chapter 1. I kind of wish we had a few moments here and there of Susie feeding old habits, maybe saying or doing something she didn't quite mean in the moment, ect. It just feels weird that she has a complete character 180 that quickly.
I thought I was the only one who noticed this lol.
 
It just feels weird that she has a complete character 180 that quickly.
Deltarune is fundamentally about hurt people and the coping mechanisms they use.

Susie copes with her harsh home life (it's implied to be abusive, but we don't know) by being a bully. Often times the kids at school who beat other people up learned it from their parents or siblings. It's both learned behavior and a defensive mechanism. With Susie in particular there's various times when it becomes apparent that she has trust issues as well. Many people like this do want to be nice and get along with others, they simply don't know how, or find that pushing everyone away is easier than risking being hurt. She goes with Lancer because he tells her that he looks up to her. She's desperate for connection but has a hard time opening up to it. Susie's harsh exterior is a facade that she continues to struggle to drop entirely at time, but it's really not that surprising that once she feels comfortable around Kris she drops the facade.

Kris copes with his trauma by disassociating, (while I don't agree with the aggressively assigned label the fan-base slaps on him of being non-binary, it is clear that he has identity issues, and if you look into it, you'll find that a lot of people that have gender issues often have it stem from trauma.) and by allowing those around him to make choices on his behalf. He doesn't like being observed or seen, as evidenced by the issues he has around playing piano around others. Susie seems to be the only one that makes Kris feel comfortable being themselves, which is why he only relents and plays when she begs him to.

Ralsei copes with their situation (which we only get implications about at this time) by throwing themselves at their duty and attempting not to have an identity at all. Even going as far to call other darkners who do try to have an identity selfish.

Pretty much all the other kids have similar issues and coping mechanisms. Some don't have it as bad, like Catti, who is only unhappy with her family because she isn't like them, but no one in this town seems to have a "good" family life.

I could go on, but I think you get the point, when I was young I hung out with the "freaks" myself, and looking back on it, everyone who was a social outcast was so because of abuse they had suffered. Kids do not know how to cope in healthy ways. In my opinion, that's one of the main themes of the game.

I actually find it pretty impressive that Toby can write about stuff like identity without fagging it all up.
 
I thought I was the only one who noticed this lol.
She doesn't even struggle with occasionally being mean by accident which I think is disappointing.
You can say it was all a facade but it's not exactly easy to instantly change your habits like that. If you pretend to be something for long enough it eventually becomes true and it gets hard to stop. I'm just saying I wish we at least got a moment or two where Susie catches herself doing something bad or mean out of habit or even by accident not thinking her words or actions would effect someone or something as much as they would. That sort've thing.

But everyone loves chapter 2+ Susie so I don't see Toby ever changing her now, plus it's just too late now. But I think it was a missed opportunity to make her character arc a little more believable.
 
Anyway, be sure to ass your own suggestions so you can wag your finger at me for missing Twinbee RPG (Dreamcast) or whatever.
Did not anyone suggest moon: Remix RPG Adventure? That game was even an inspiration of Undertale's LOVE mechanic.
I recommend that people have already playe Dragon Quest I, since a few jokes depend on knowledge of that game.
 
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She doesn't even struggle with occasionally being mean by accident which I think is disappointing.
You can say it was all a facade but it's not exactly easy to instantly change your habits like that. If you pretend to be something for long enough it eventually becomes true and it gets hard to stop. I'm just saying I wish we at least got a moment or two where Susie catches herself doing something bad or mean out of habit or even by accident not thinking her words or actions would effect someone or something as much as they would. That sort've thing.

But everyone loves chapter 2+ Susie so I don't see Toby ever changing her now, plus it's just too late now. But I think it was a missed opportunity to make her character arc a little more believable.
To be fair, I'm fairly certain we're going to get a moment like that when she finds out what's up with Kris and the soul.
 
You've done a massive service to this forum today.

262 fucking pages, and 235 can be fucking deleted and you still miss nothing. Genuine clout chasing. Not to victim blame, but it feels like these people really wanted to have their own internet trial against Shayy and it's genuinely fucking retarded.

I'm not surprised he's a sex pest, don't get me wrong. But still the size of this doc and the amount of repetition and outright irrelevant things on it really sounds like they really wanted to outdo any other "Exposé" out there.
Eh, there's still a chance he's innocent, or at least not as bad as the doc makes him out to be like what happened with Pyrocynical. A bit of a weirdo but no pedo.

Many of these accusations against YouTubers do turn out to be fake, the Alex Kister doc for example.

I think he's guilty but we should at least wait to hear the other side of the story if there is one.
 
To be fair, I'm fairly certain we're going to get a moment like that when she finds out what's up with Kris and the soul.
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It's okay guys he couldn't read (the laws of consent) because he's an Undertale fan. Just like how Boyinaband was never taught what laws there are.
See now HIM I can believe being innocent despite the memes, if only because the only evidence presented was a single unsubstantiated reddit post by a single person years after he had already retired. Zero follow ups or corroboration from anyone involved, and he had left the internet by that point anyway so he couldn't even defend himself once the allegation dropped.

To me, the only reason the Boyinaband jokes spread as much as they did is because the guy was already gone and the last thing anyone heard about him was the accusation (and memes about it), rather than the accusation itself actually being convincing.


Shayy on the other hand is a troon being accused of sex-pestery by like a dozen of his own fans in a big public display with screencaps to prove it, which is much more convincing, even if it's just as clout-chase-y.

Also Shayy himself nuking his socials and going into hiding the moment the docs dropped doesn't look very good either lewl.
 
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Asexual means nothing. It's a retarded label used by basic white girls so they could self-insert in the LGBTQP+ . Anyone who has spent time in tumblr/fandoms knows that "asexual" hoes are often the largest coomers of them all
Asexuals are based because they are anti-coomer.
Also basic White girls won.
 
Asexuals are based because they are anti-coomer.
Also basic White girls won.
Not really. Asexuals are usually the biggest coomers, they're just in denial about it and will cry that their weird fetish art is totally wholesome SFW art just because there's no pp or booby being shown.
 
Not really. Asexuals are usually the biggest coomers, they're just in denial about it and will cry that their weird fetish art is totally wholesome SFW art just because there's no pp or booby being shown.
I knew one that was a pregfag, so that makes him the most obviously closeted straight that any sexual deviant ever was. There's going to be multple days when the people reading this post will meet a happily married man who'll call himself an "ace" in front of his wife and cringing firstborn.
 
Those are not real asexuals, they are stolen valor fakecels.
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Okay so you're saying they're basically the asexual equivalent of a troon. Gotcha. Tbh I can buy asexuality does actually exist rarely in people who for whatever reason simply cannot feel sexual arousal for medical reasons. But they're much rarer than the internet makes them out to be.
Just like how a bunch of faggots only became troons because it was trendy at the time or for the get out of jail free card it provides not because they actually believe any of it.
 
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