UN UK Snap election 8th June 2017 - Oh boy another U turn.

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Rio said:
I thought it was generally implied that I was talking about the average joe, not so much debate organizers or tv execs. Obviously small parties should still have their chance to speak, but I'm saying that most people aren't worried about small parties they don't hear anything about. If nobody talks about a party, it's generally not going to draw many people to look into what they represent. If that party is suddenly significant in the make-up of a new government, their policies and ideas suddenly become a lot more important. Especially when we're talking about a party that not many people voted for suddenly gaining power.
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The DUP isn't a small party by any means, though. It's not like they're on par with the Greens in terms of relevancy; they're the largest party in Northern Ireland and the only party representing it in Parliament. They're a hell of a lot more important than Plaid, that's for sure.
 
NotAKitty said:
The DUP isn't a small party by any means, though. It's not like they're on par with the Greens in terms of relevancy; they're the largest party in Northern Ireland and the only party representing it in Parliament. They're a hell of a lot more important than Plaid, that's for sure.
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That's fair enough, but that doesn't erase that they received fuck all in coverage before this coalition. People aren't worried about what they don't know. That much is pretty obvious. Saying 'Hah! Now that they know what DUP represents and how contrary it is to what they believe they're suddenly concerned! The fools!" like it's somehow this really weird thing to do still strikes me as a bit strange.
 
Rio said:
That's fair enough, but that doesn't erase that they received fuck all in coverage before this coalition. People aren't worried about what they don't know. That much is pretty obvious. Saying 'Hah! Now that they know what DUP represents and how contrary it is to what they believe they're suddenly concerned! The fools!" like it's somehow this really weird thing to do still strikes me as a bit strange.
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Eh, I guess I'm just amused at the speed with which Grauniad readers go from nought to outraged. Sure, feel free to disagree with their policies, but don't immediately start REEEEEing just because your paper told you to.
 
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Sable said:
...were people really framing this election as a Brexit thing, or was that just the people they had in the audience being uh, audience members.
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That's what's annoying me about this, Labour barely talked about Brexit but now the election is over pro remain/soft Brexit politicians and voters are back to pretending the majority of people want to be in the single market even if that means open borders.

If May had just kept to talking about Brexit and had an innocuous manifesto I think they'd have got the majority they wanted.
 
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Seems like an opportune for the DUP to reiterate their core stance on the EU
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AnOminous said:
Who did it help?
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It literally got /pol/ in a position of power in the UK.

I'm still laughing my ass at how this fucked May and backfired on Labour voters at the same time.

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>Paisley family (founders/leaders of DUP party) have stayed with Trump every year over the past decade at Trump Tower.

>Trump and Paisley Sr. were close (before he died).

>Paisley Jr recently had meetings with Trump and Pence on the low key.
 
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AnOminous said:
Why was this snap election even called? Who did it help?

It seems like it was a really bad idea.
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May wanted two things from this elections;

1) To quash call's for a GE and legitimise her position because she wasn't voted in after Call me Dave lost Brexit.
2) She wanted to mould the Brexit negotiations and remain in power for a good while after rather than Brexit happening and the General election not long after.

May is not a popular PM by any normal standard, she just happens to be the best of the current bunch especially when you compare her to Corbin that's why she got the votes she did. She called this election basically because she believed her own hot air and marketing, she honestly thought she was going to give all the other parties a good drubbing and also pull back supporters from UKIP (that happened but not in the numbers she wanted) and she also didn't read her manifesto very clearly that cost her a lot of votes from normal Tory voters, most of whom are at the older end of the demographics.
 
Ravenor said:
May wanted two things from this elections;

1) To quash call's for a GE and legitimise her position because she wasn't voted in after Call me Dave lost Brexit.
2) She wanted to mould the Brexit negotiations and remain in power for a good while after rather than Brexit happening and the General election not long after.
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Did she even get either of these things? It sounds like she didn't.
 
Techpriest (ask me about my hat) said:
Did she even get either of these things? It sounds like she didn't.
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Partly, she wanted Brixit to be a success but solely under Tory negotiations now it will have the rider attached to it "with DUP support", but she has possibly legitimised her position by holding the GE but I personally don't see it Borris despite what he has said in the past really wants to be PM and the way May has essentially fucked up the Conservatives chances for a good while yet might mean he's putting plans into action.

Personally, I think we will see one of two things happen -

1) May get's replaced.
2) Another General Election when the Tories find they can't work with the DUP.
 
A lot of the people on my Facebook right now are acting like Labour won since they got more seats? And I don't mean celebrating the positive to come out of a bad situation because that would make sense, I mean like full on HELL YEAH GOOD JOB YOUNG'UNS YOU VOTED AND HELPED US WIN THE ELECTION!!1! tier celebration even though they didn't get a majority at all either and this is confusing me...Is it because there'll be more Labour dudes to bitch at the other people in Parliament while they do their thing? Are they just in Full Denial and doubling down?
 
I am seeing a lot of people saying that "hopefully this means Brexit doesn't happen". However, if I understand correctly, the UK is at the point of no return on that issue, and the whole thing seems to revolve around the conspiracy theory that May threw the election to stop Brexit.
 
ICametoLurk said:
It literally got /pol/ in a position of power in the UK.

I'm still laughing my ass at how this fucked May and backfired on Labour voters at the same time.
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That's actually what I like about it. Every single interested party got absolutely ass-fucked by this. Hilarious.
 
Elysian said:
A lot of the people on my Facebook right now are acting like Labour won since they got more seats? And I don't mean celebrating the positive to come out of a bad situation because that would make sense, I mean like full on HELL YEAH GOOD JOB YOUNG'UNS YOU VOTED AND HELPED US WIN THE ELECTION!!1! tier celebration even though they didn't get a majority at all either and this is confusing me...Is it because there'll be more Labour dudes to bitch at the other people in Parliament while they do their thing? Are they just in Full Denial and doubling down?
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It's because they don't understand that we don't run on proportional representation. Corbyn got a huge number of votes, but from a fairly small spread of places. Since it's actually how many areas that vote for a candidate that matters in the long run, their 'logic' makes very little sense overall. It does rather demonstrate just how much popular support the guy has, though.

NIA-DOA 2.0 said:
I am seeing a lot of people saying that "hopefully this means Brexit doesn't happen". However, if I understand correctly, the UK is at the point of no return on that issue, and the whole thing seems to revolve around the conspiracy theory that May threw the election to stop Brexit.
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Apologies for the double post, but no, it transpires that it's not completely impossible for brexit to be cancelled. Article 50 can be un-invoked apparently, and the Eu has quietly said that they'll be willing to accept such a move up until about Christmas time. Beyond that, we'll be committed to leaving absolutely.
 
Ravenor said:
May wanted two things from this elections;

1) To quash call's for a GE and legitimise her position because she wasn't voted in after Call me Dave lost Brexit.
2) She wanted to mould the Brexit negotiations and remain in power for a good while after rather than Brexit happening and the General election not long after.

May is not a popular PM by any normal standard, she just happens to be the best of the current bunch especially when you compare her to Corbin that's why she got the votes she did. She called this election basically because she believed her own hot air and marketing, she honestly thought she was going to give all the other parties a good drubbing and also pull back supporters from UKIP (that happened but not in the numbers she wanted) and she also didn't read her manifesto very clearly that cost her a lot of votes from normal Tory voters, most of whom are at the older end of the demographics.
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The Tories were betting on about 40% of votes from UKIP going to them. Which it did. What they didn't expect was the sudden and huge jump in turnout among the younger and the wider switching of Yuppies and other trendy professionals voting against the Tories out of sheer spite rather than any real rhyme or reason.

A lot of wavering voters were driven back to Labour because of the sheer fucking stupidity of May's clique writing the Manifesto and not road testing it among tory MPs who're more in touch with the voters than those in the Whitehall Bubble (4 times as bad as the Westminster one) which would've probably killed most anti-old people policies stone dead bar maybe winter fuel allowance for only all but the most wealthy of pensioners, or better "consultations on how to properly reform social care for the elderly" was all that was really needed.

A lot of folks have also finally fucking realised that haveing eighteen million left wing parties rather than one to properly counter the Tories is necessary.

The farcical TV debate where all five left whingers did nothing but scream and shout at eachother and the Tories and UKIP was roundly condemned and barely watched.

It should be noted the DUP is against the EU as a whole but not the single market and wants to retain access to it, preferably tariff free and this will potentially soften the Brexit stances but not by much and will probably change when the EU decides to start fucking around making punishing demands as a result of the weakened UK government.

There's also ten policies of the DUPs which.... I really can't argue against and in fact sound stupid awesome:

  1. To reduce the rate of Corporation Tax to at least 12.5%; (EU leaving without a deal "nuclear option" for the Tories is 10%)
  2. To freeze then cut or abolish the TV licence and reform the BBC; (I'd rather pay subscription than be compelled to pay tbh)
  3. To cut the VAT rate for tourism businesses; (East Pillockshire economy is over a third tourist based, so I'm all for this)
  4. To introduce a Trade Accelerator Plan including an enhanced range of initiatives to help support both new and existing exporters to explore new markets; (This is a no brainer, with Africa and South America being two huge growth markets to look towards with existing language and skills bases)
  5. To abolish Air Passenger Duty; (Saving up to £150 per person on Transatlantic flights, savings likely to be spent on additional economic activity)
  6. To establish low tax, deregulated Freeports in economically underdeveloped parts of the UK (How many seaside towns could be revived with this? And cut carbon emissions as stuff has to travel less to be delivered?)
  7. To reduce the number of Government Departments and reduce the number of Special Advisors; (Find me someone who doesn't want this....)
  8. To introduce a Civil Service Voluntary Exit Scheme yielding annual savings of approximately £100 million; (Voluntary redundancy becoming official would at least regulate churn rates)
  9. To create new trade, investment and innovation hubs in key global markets; (Yes, Yes, Yes)
  10. To introduce alternative models of public sector service delivery such as increasing the use of social enterprises. (The only one I can really wobble on as making public sector services more locally accountable/interactive would work better)
 
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