UN UK Snap election 8th June 2017 - Oh boy another U turn.

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Pickle Inspector said:
Even if you're a regular Lib Dem voter I don't see the point in voting for them when they're straight up refusing to be in a coalition.

I think it'd be better if in their manifesto they said something like "These are the policies we'd require before joining a coalition" then voters could see they are at least being realistic.
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Thing is, people bought that pig in a poke in 2010 and then a considerable number of the LibDems' 'headline' policies went the way of the dodo once they were safely installed in the Ministerial Jags. I can understand Farron's tactics here whilst he tries to rebuild from the electoral cleansing of 2015.
 
Its 3 days till the polls and I have no idea who to vote for.

I mean, my choices are the main 3 with the BNP too.

I've crisscrossed between the main three, and just can't decide.

I'm either going to have to read the 3 manifestos in full, or just spoil my vote and wait until 2022 for a better grasp.
 
AnAspieWithAVengeance said:
Its 3 days till the polls and I have no idea who to vote for.

I mean, my choices are the main 3 with the BNP too.

I've crisscrossed between the main three, and just can't decide.

I'm either going to have to read the 3 manifestos in full, or just spoil my vote and wait until 2022 for a better grasp.
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You could look at the previous result in your area here which might help you decide: http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/newseatlookup.html
 
That's very helpful, thank you.

I'm potentially on a swing seat, which puts me under a bit more pressure. I think I'll read through some manifestos and see if anything sticks out to me.

To be honest, though, this might be an issue until polling day itself.
 
Ponderous Pillock said:
Not really, they've just gone back to where they used to be. They've always bounced around thw 10% mark for donkeys years and only tended to spike during elections. Under Timmy they've gained a paltry hand full of councillors and a single seat at Richmond.

This resulted in the hilarity below where Olney was fucked over thanks to Lib Dem pants on head attitudes:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=rLa7QVTJuRc
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That radio presenter just doesn't give a shit and I love it!
 
Fareal said:
Thing is, people bought that pig in a poke in 2010 and then a considerable number of the LibDems' 'headline' policies went the way of the dodo once they were safely installed in the Ministerial Jags. I can understand Farron's tactics here whilst he tries to rebuild from the electoral cleansing of 2015.
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Actually it was far far worse. The Tories were able to frame every successful Lib Dem Policy as a Tory Triumph (the only real difference of course was the cap the Tories proposed before Income Tax began to be applied) and pushed all failures onto them (weakness on Control Orders, Tuition Fees etc)

This is also what happened to the Liberal Party back in the 1920s after the War was over and normal life resumed, huge chunks of Liberal seats were chewed up and swallowed by the Tories while Labour killed off vast swathes of the rest. Only a few South Westerly Strongholds remained and its still why the Lib Dems poll so strongly along the south coast, there's not the same "working class" blocs in those areas and instead it was more a Tory/Liberal fight.

Screeeeeeeeech! CRASH! In comes the Abbotomus.

And as ever its a fucking confusing mess, all 6:28 of it.
 
Ponderous Pillock said:
And it gets better, seems my rumours about the massive Tory postal Vote is on the money:

Unite are conducting Electoral Fraud and shitting themselves with what they're finding.
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Oh god no, shoot me now.

Ginger Piglet said:
Isn't there a legal challenge against Len McCluskey's election to secretary thereto because he purged his rival Gerard Coyne and beforehand slightly had his supporters bin Coyne's election literature in contravention of the union's constitution? Or something like that?
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IS this about the Unite election?

that's ok then, I'm GMB.

Fucking splitters.
 
Ginger Piglet said:
Isn't there a legal challenge against Len McCluskey's election to secretary thereto because he purged his rival Gerard Coyne and beforehand slightly had his supporters bin Coyne's election literature in contravention of the union's constitution? Or something like that?
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There is, mostly because of rumours involving intimidation and such causing votes to be turned and funding irregularities. Coyne is also far more extreme than McClusky is who's himself an ardent Corbynite.

Chemical snorfare said:
IS this about the Unite election?

that's ok then, I'm GMB.

Fucking splitters.
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Nope, this is relating to the Ealing Central and Acton Constituency down in London. The Tories were just 248 votes behind Labour here last time around and is basically a Western Suburbia Slapfight between Labour and the Tories.

Now it should be said you are allowed to count postal votes early and provided representatives from all political parties are present you may see and report back privately how the counts appear to be showing. Postal Votes have become incredibly important since their introduction as they help give a bell weather of which way a seat is swinging. It lets folks get away a bit quicker without having to bother on election night which is already pretty fucking grueling for those present and those counting the sodding things. Let alone the lucky sods who just sit at home on the sofa watching the counts come in.

Something panicked the UNITE rep (attached to labour due to being their main bankroller) so badly that he was blabing about the postal voters and which way they were swinging to multiple people and Corbynites being Corbynites they began to chat about it as well.

Some Postal Vote counting has been ongoing since about Thursday and Corbyn's tour of britain has blithely carried on, mostly wandering around safe seats rather than aiming for key marginals, but all of a sudden he's visited four seats which have majorities of 9,000 or so, outside the rumoured Tory target "vote bloc" of 8,000 which gives them a list of some 75 seats

Even assuming the poll average of 7% we're looking at a good 35 seats likely to fall to them on a national swing, when we raise that to ICM's 12% that number soars to around 60.

But Corbyn has been in seats all of a sudden in the last few days which currently boast majorites by some 22% of the vote share.

Something's up.
 
Ponderous Pillock said:
There is, mostly because of rumours involving intimidation and such causing votes to be turned and funding irregularities. Coyne is also far more extreme than McClusky is who's himself an ardent Corbynite.



Nope, this is relating to the Ealing Central and Acton Constituency down in London. The Tories were just 248 votes behind Labour here last time around and is basically a Western Suburbia Slapfight between Labour and the Tories.

Now it should be said you are allowed to count postal votes early and provided representatives from all political parties are present you may see and report back privately how the counts appear to be showing. Postal Votes have become incredibly important since their introduction as they help give a bell weather of which way a seat is swinging. It lets folks get away a bit quicker without having to bother on election night which is already pretty fucking grueling for those present and those counting the sodding things. Let alone the lucky sods who just sit at home on the sofa watching the counts come in.

Something panicked the UNITE rep (attached to labour due to being their main bankroller) so badly that he was blabing about the postal voters and which way they were swinging to multiple people and Corbynites being Corbynites they began to chat about it as well.

Some Postal Vote counting has been ongoing since about Thursday and Corbyn's tour of britain has blithely carried on, mostly wandering around safe seats rather than aiming for key marginals, but all of a sudden he's visited four seats which have majorities of 9,000 or so, outside the rumoured Tory target "vote bloc" of 8,000 which gives them a list of some 75 seats

Even assuming the poll average of 7% we're looking at a good 35 seats likely to fall to them on a national swing, when we raise that to ICM's 12% that number soars to around 60.

But Corbyn has been in seats all of a sudden in the last few days which currently boast majorites by some 22% of the vote share.

Something's up.
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Which seats were they? We should make a note so come Thursday night we can keep an eye on them
 
CWCissey said:
Which seats were they? We should make a note so come Thursday night we can keep an eye on them
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There was a map showing where the party leaders were going to visit and Corbyn had been largely neglecting the key marginals but had targetted both Tory and Labour safe seats. May in comparison has rolled the battle bus around to the key marginals which seems to have been working if the Postal Votes thing is baring out across the country.

EDIT: "Nuclear Winter" outside of London, apparently.
 
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Ponderous Pillock said:
There was a map showing where the party leaders were going to visit and Corbyn had been largely neglecting the key marginals but had targetted both Tory and Labour safe seats. May in comparison has rolled the battle bus around to the key marginals which seems to have been working if the Postal Votes thing is baring out across the country.

EDIT: "Nuclear Winter" outside of London, apparently.
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Do you have a link to this map?

Also, while I'm here. Here are various celebrities/famous people/whingers to watch if Labour go tits up on Thursday.

JK Rowling (Serial Numpty)
Russell Brand (Unfunny smackhead sex fiend)
Eddie Izzard (Comedian who only told one good joke)
Frankie Boyle (Washed up Scottish comedian who got fat)
Ricky Gervais (Unfunny fat smug twat)
James Cordon (Ricky Gervais 2.0)
Bob Geldof (Wrote one good song, keeps using Africa as a piggy bank at Christmas, comments on UK policies despite being Irish)
Graham Linehan (We have a thread on him, wrote Father Ted)
Adrian Edmondson (actually funny comedian, may be more professional, so don't get your hopes up)
Steve Coogan (A-ha!)
Tim Burgess (Lead singer of The Charlatans, owner of the world's stupidest haircut)
Graham Coxon (Guitarist of Blur, example of why you should never quit drinking)
Dave Rowntree (Blur's drummer, many times failed Labour MP, actual Labour Councillor for Norwich Uni so will be on damage control)
Johnny Marr (Music God, Politics Idiot)
Nick Frost (Simon Pegg's fat friend)
Lily Allen (The black sheep of the Allen family)
Brian Cox (Mancunian scientist, soothing voice, looks like he was in a band, actually was, may not go overboard with rage)
Cabbage (Mancunian punk rockers, campaigning for Corbyn during shows. Good band, shit politics)
Hooton Tennis Club (Scouse Indie band)
Big Ben (Novelty Twitter account, usually only says 'BONG!' every hour but didn't disappoint with Brexit or Trump)

Added by @Ginger Piglet
Charlotte Church (Welsh child star turned non entity)
Daniel Radcliffe (YOU'RE A WIZARD HARRY)
Benedict Cumberbatch (crap actor known for haranguing audiences about politics after performances)
Caitlin Moran (Crap egotistical writer, can't handle it when a show about her gets cancelled)

Added by @TheImportantFart
Stephen Hawking (Smartest man in the world, so likely to keep his vocaloid shut, but you never know)

Added by @Ravenor
Russell Howard (Wonky eyed comedian who thinks the height of comedy is yelling)
Miranda Hart (Freakishly proportioned lady comic)

Feel free to add to this list.
 
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Unsure if it's been updated or not but:

Enjoy the maps.

Corbyn's hit London and already Labour leaning places the most, while May's tour has been far more balanced.
 
Ponderous Pillock said:
Unsure if it's been updated or not but:

Enjoy the maps.

Corbyn's hit London and already Labour leaning places the most, while May's tour has been far more balanced.
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Oh dear! I'm waiting for him to turn up in Oldham now!

The Manchester Central one I'll give him, as that was to congratulate Andy Burnham wasn't it?

Most telling are the charts where they compare the battlegrounds and have the line which indicates how many seats the Tories will win if the UKIP voters flock to them (as they really should at this point)

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Ponderous Pillock said:
Unsure if it's been updated or not but:

Enjoy the maps.

Corbyn's hit London and already Labour leaning places the most, while May's tour has been far more balanced.
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Isn't this what Hillary Clinton did, preferring to hang around in liberal hugboxes and safe spaces and completely out of touch with reality?
 
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