UN UK Snap election 8th June 2017 - Oh boy another U turn.

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I wonder if it's just a coincidence the vote is happening during exam period? I mean young people generally don't vote anyway.

Also I guess they'll be no TV debates this time around: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...17-theresa-may-will-not-take-part-tv-debates/

Not a big suprise since that would likely be her biggest weakness.
MMMMMM said:
I'm chipping back in after looking some things up, looks like this election may only go ahead if Labour vote with the Tories to allow it. I wasn't aware of this but there is a Fixed Term Parliments Act which means that 2/3 of Parliment must assent to this. So far it looks like everybody is up for it, which is baffling to me. Labour know they won't win a majority, the Conservatives don't need a greater majority (and is it really worth the effort trying to steal a dozen seats from Labour/Lib Dems?) and who the fuck knows what's going on in NI atm

So is May secretly hoping this election gets blocked? Is there some other motive? I'm just going to admit it, I am very confused.


This I can explain:

Everything May said in regards to another independence referendum is suddenly null and void. "People don't want it", "It's not a good time because we have all this other shit going on". Well, there isn't much public support for yet another election, seems like they should wait until they're done with Brexit first.

Secondly, the Scottish Parliment can just say 'fuck your rules' and do it anyway, legally it might be a grey area, but attempting to block it might not be a wise political move. There's a lot of unexplored territory here, technically Scotland is a seperate nation and in theory could just say "We're out" at any moment. Of course that's unthinkable for obvious reasons, but it illustrates that one Parliment doesn't need to play by the rules of another.


Uh, which decade are you posting from? Labour have one MP in the entire nation, and the SNP were less than 3000 votes behind him.
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The SNP might want another referendum but the majority of Scottish voters don't.

The Scottish Conservative party are Scotland's second biggest party and SNP are forecast to lose seats.
Broseph Stalin said:
Are you limeys g0ing to leave the EU or not? Shit's taking forever
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That's part of why this general election is happening now, there's not going to be any EU negotiations until France and Germany have had their own elections (France are having theirs in June and Germany September) so it's the perfect opportunity for the Tory party to try and reinforce their majority.
Lorento said:
Indeed. We've seen an example on both sides of the fence. The by-election for Zac Goldsmith's seat which was a strong Remain area resulted in a Lib Dem victory, though Goldsmith ran as an independent. The by-election recently where Labour lost a seat they'd held since the 1930s voted strongly Leave.

I think this election will come down to how many remain voters are willing to vote Labour/Lib Dem/SNP and how many Leave Voters are willing to back the Conservatives/UKIP. It will CERTAINLY be an interesting election, and could make or break the case for Independence in Scotland and Northern Ireland.
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On that point vote splitting might play a part, if you are against Brexit will you vote Lib Dem or vote for Labour who want a brexit lite?

On the pro Brexit side though with Farage gone and a hard brexit an almost certainty with the Conservative party I don't see how UKIP aren't going to be wiped out.
 
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Pickle Inspector said:
On that point vote splitting might play a part, if you are against Brexit will you vote Lib Dem or vote for Labour who want a brexit lite?
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Even among Remain voters, the kind that are like 'SECOND REFERENDUM! IGNORE THE REFERENDUM RESULT!' are an extremely vocal minority. I suspect that many Remain voters will go for Labour, or stick with the Conservatives if they normally vote Conservative, simply for the sake of stability.
 
Lorento said:
I think this election will come down to how many remain voters are willing to vote Labour/Lib Dem/SNP and how many Leave Voters are willing to back the Conservatives/UKIP. It will CERTAINLY be an interesting election, and could make or break the case for Independence in Scotland and Northern Ireland.
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Scotland maybe, though you'd have to ignore the economic collapse they'd suffer is worse. Maybe when oil was better...

NI is a fiscal black hole, and everyone involved knows it, and religion alone isn't swaying people to want independence/reunification as much as everyone it would due to demographics.

As for votes, the current weakness of Labour might help re-enforce the idea that UKIP doesn't just take votes from the Conservatives, but also take power from Labour in a lot of traditional areas. There's going to be a small amount of Labour voters who didn't vote remain, but a slightly larger number of Conservatives who were for remain because trade deals are pretty nice.

I live somewhere which is mostly Lib/Con, and Lib lost during the last GE, and that was with a competent and well liked MP. The current Conservative fellow isn't foot-in-mouth retarded, so i'm fairly sure it'll be a Con hold.
 
Sable said:
As for votes, the current weakness of Labour might help re-enforce the idea that UKIP doesn't just take votes from the Conservatives, but also take power from Labour in a lot of traditional areas. There's going to be a small amount of Labour voters who didn't vote remain, but a slightly larger number of Conservatives who were for remain because trade deals are pretty nice.

I live somewhere which is mostly Lib/Con, and Lib lost during the last GE, and that was with a competent and well liked MP. The current Conservative fellow isn't foot-in-mouth exceptional, so i'm fairly sure it'll be a Con hold.
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You just need to talk to the common man in the street to know that Labour's essentially done in it's strongholds. If it's not the Tories, it'll be UKIP that gets in, collapse or not.

Hell all that drama surrounding Ken Livingstone's comments has really shook up my constituency due to the rather large Jewish population residing in it, whereas traditional immigration concerns is affecting the constituency where I work (although that area would still vote Labour if the candidate was a literal tub of lard)
 
Sable said:
There's going to be a small amount of Labour voters who didn't vote remain, but a slightly larger number of Conservatives who were for remain because trade deals are pretty nice.
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Owen Smith, Labour leadership candidate, said that 40% of Labour voters went for Brexit. If this number is true, then things could get REALLY interesting.

Then again Owen Smith lost to Jeremy Corbyn, which is a bit like losing the three legged race to two people with no legs.
 
I think I might actually vote Monster Raving Loony Party this election - the battlebus used to drive round my area at University and in the extremely unlikely event they get elected I'd love to see them try and implement some of their policies. I'm sure as fuck not voting Labour (better dead than red) and I can't bring myself to vote UKIP (even Pat Condell said he only voted for them to get us out of the EU). Otherwise it'll be Conservative for the first time ever. I mean blue is my favourite colour.

I used to vote Lib Dem (don't laugh) but I've taken my anti-psychotic medication and I'm all better now. I should've jettisoned them back in 2010 when Clegg did a complete 180 on university tuition fees (thank fuck I went to uni before the price hike kicked in).
 
Lorento said:
Owen Smith, Labour leadership candidate, said that 40% of Labour voters went for Brexit. If this number is true, then things could get REALLY interesting.

Then again Owen Smith lost to Jeremy Corbyn, which is a bit like losing the three legged race to two people with no legs.
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Members, it's the same stat bandied around by Dianne Abbotomous. She gleefully uses the hilariously warped Labour Party membership (dominated by London members) to say that Labour voters didn't vote brexit and it's all racist tories, kippers and other ne'er do wells.

Never mind that plenty of minorities voted Leave (Bradford voted Leave, and Leicester voted Remain by less than 3,000 votes).

The fun part of the EU referendum result map is you can play "Guess where the EU spent money" game anywhere outside of the cesspit that is London and its supporting dormitory towns.
 
Forever Sunrise said:
Hung parliament. Calling it now.
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The recent hung parliament was due in part to a bias in seat biundaries in labour's favour. If labour had the same share of the vote as cameron achieved in 2010 they would have had a majority. This has been corrected.
 
Even opposition MPs are getting involved on the hysteria train because electoral oblivion looms:

https://twitter.com/ChukaUmunna/sta...rc=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https://order-order.com/

"Election called because she doesn't like opposition to her evil plans!"

Meanwhile, the Guardian's Martin Kettle decided we're now under a dictatorship because the PM's calling for a general election:

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Theresa May in Downing Street sounded like Turkey’s authoritarian president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. Give me the unfettered authority to secure the Brexit I want, she said. Any attempt to stand in my way is disruptive and frivolous. So give me the power to act in the name of the people against parliament’s interference. It’s not a nice parallel. May has trashed her own brand.
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Ponderous Pillock said:
Even opposition MPs are getting involved on the hysteria train because electoral oblivion looms:

https://twitter.com/ChukaUmunna/status/854594747155001344?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https://order-order.com/

"Election called because she doesn't like opposition to her evil plans!"

Meanwhile, the Guardian's Martin Kettle decided we're now under a dictatorship because the PM's calling for a general election:
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:story:

At this rate I might create a 'Snap Election Salt' thread!
 
DT.Miller said:
If he doesnt stand down before hell have to on the 9th, i cant bringmyself to vote conservitive but there is no way on earth ill vote labour with him in charge.
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The choices are May or Corbyn, so either he wins, or May's conservatives continue their plan to solve the financial crisis by cutting benefits and then sticking their heads in the sand until all the poor people die off.
 
AnOminous said:
Corbyn sounds downright enthusiastic about it. Is he oblivious, does he actually think he'll benefit from this, or does he just want to be put out of his misery?
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he has a great poker face. He knows exactly the ploy May is pulling but he knows that saying he doesn't want an election now is partycide.
 
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