News is still comming in as i post this but this is indded intreating.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39629603
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39629603
UN UK Snap election 8th June 2017 - Oh boy another U turn.
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all you like- there's no way I can imagine this won't end up disatrously for Labour, in pretty much every way. They will lose seats, as well as their handy "nobody voted for May" argument, and it will cause even more infighting and internal finger-pointing among their ranks.And the best part? This is exactly what they asked for.
GG Corbyn.
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But... but... they'll be misinformed because Murdoch and the Tory elite conspired to marginalise Labour voters and didn't get their fill of Corbyn and the Abbopotamus's wokeness!
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Hysterical guardian writer claims the election is a coup (whatever that means): https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/18/general-election-coup-mps-theresa-may#comments
4 months ago same writer blasted May as unelected and without a mandate:
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-vogue-smart-fashion-statement-prime-minister
The meltdown is already begun lol
4 months ago same writer blasted May as unelected and without a mandate:
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-vogue-smart-fashion-statement-prime-minister
The meltdown is already begun lol
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I suppose you play the hand you're dealt, and when you're dealt a hand of unpredictable loons to build your government out of, you might as well use that chaotic nature to keep your enemies on their toes. People really weren't expecting this, especially since it was repeatedly ruled out by May herself.
The Tories already have Brexit, they already have a decent majority, why bother with such a showy risk? Didn't they learn from that kind of hubris when the EU thing backfired on them? I guess they're hoping to topple Corbyn, since they failed to do so despite two leadership elections and all of their pet Labour insiders attempting to dislodge him.
I just don't think the timing is wholly in their favour, so far this has been one of the least competent governments anybody can remember, literally all they have going for them is "We invoked Article 50 guisezzz", which is hardly worth crowing about given how poorly they are currently doing.
Perhaps public dissatisfaction is the goal though, by reducing voter turnout they have a better chance at gaining a few seats.
Here's hoping they can at least compete without resorting to election fraud this time, I'm sure the timing of this election has nothing to do with the findings of that investigation almost being published..
The Tories already have Brexit, they already have a decent majority, why bother with such a showy risk? Didn't they learn from that kind of hubris when the EU thing backfired on them? I guess they're hoping to topple Corbyn, since they failed to do so despite two leadership elections and all of their pet Labour insiders attempting to dislodge him.
I just don't think the timing is wholly in their favour, so far this has been one of the least competent governments anybody can remember, literally all they have going for them is "We invoked Article 50 guisezzz", which is hardly worth crowing about given how poorly they are currently doing.
Perhaps public dissatisfaction is the goal though, by reducing voter turnout they have a better chance at gaining a few seats.
Here's hoping they can at least compete without resorting to election fraud this time, I'm sure the timing of this election has nothing to do with the findings of that investigation almost being published..
May has made some very interesting moves since taking power, that the BBC isn't focusing on them is indicative of complicity, not boredom.
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Yep, salt already. Aren't we lucky boys and girls?
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A Scottish referendum inevitable? How? The SNP despite having a super-super majority in the Scottish Parliament, isn't constitutionally able to force the Westminster government to hold such a referendum and there's no way any of the main parties, who all are pro-Union, will agree to a referendum pledge. The only thing the SNP could do to force Parliament's hand is to engage in a programme of total derailment of everything which will split the opposition even further, esp. given that Scotland is overwhelmingly Labour supporting.
That's because they are. The Labour party is turning into a circular firing squad, the SNP are single issue loons, the Lib Dems ironically might come out of this the best but since their parliamentary representation can all fit into the same taxi and have room for their bicycles too the only way for them is up.
Hmmm. To be fair there is a point there because no coherent opposition means nobody holding the Government's feet to the fire over their incompetences. Last time a party had such a gigantic majority, it was Tony Blair's New Labour in 2001 and it took a footbullet the size of the Iraq war to hold them to account.
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I would love to see that leather-faced, Sith Lord cunt that is Theresa May out of number 10, but that's looking unlikely since Jeremy Corbyn can hardly hold together his own party let alone a country. Not only that but I got a spam email from him today asking for shekels and that's annoyed me a bit.
If the monster raving loony party get in I'll be happy, I've got some loony dollars at home.
If the monster raving loony party get in I'll be happy, I've got some loony dollars at home.
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I'm chipping back in after looking some things up, looks like this election may only go ahead if Labour vote with the Tories to allow it. I wasn't aware of this but there is a Fixed Term Parliments Act which means that 2/3 of Parliment must assent to this. So far it looks like everybody is up for it, which is baffling to me. Labour know they won't win a majority, the Conservatives don't need a greater majority (and is it really worth the effort trying to steal a dozen seats from Labour/Lib Dems?) and who the fuck knows what's going on in NI atm
So is May secretly hoping this election gets blocked? Is there some other motive? I'm just going to admit it, I am very confused.
Everything May said in regards to another independence referendum is suddenly null and void. "People don't want it", "It's not a good time because we have all this other shit going on". Well, there isn't much public support for yet another election, seems like they should wait until they're done with Brexit first.
Secondly, the Scottish Parliment can just say 'fuck your rules' and do it anyway, legally it might be a grey area, but attempting to block it might not be a wise political move. There's a lot of unexplored territory here, technically Scotland is a seperate nation and in theory could just say "We're out" at any moment. Of course that's unthinkable for obvious reasons, but it illustrates that one Parliment doesn't need to play by the rules of another.
So is May secretly hoping this election gets blocked? Is there some other motive? I'm just going to admit it, I am very confused.
This I can explain:
Everything May said in regards to another independence referendum is suddenly null and void. "People don't want it", "It's not a good time because we have all this other shit going on". Well, there isn't much public support for yet another election, seems like they should wait until they're done with Brexit first.
Secondly, the Scottish Parliment can just say 'fuck your rules' and do it anyway, legally it might be a grey area, but attempting to block it might not be a wise political move. There's a lot of unexplored territory here, technically Scotland is a seperate nation and in theory could just say "We're out" at any moment. Of course that's unthinkable for obvious reasons, but it illustrates that one Parliment doesn't need to play by the rules of another.
Uh, which decade are you posting from? Labour have one MP in the entire nation, and the SNP were less than 3000 votes behind him.
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Except the BBC is handing lots and lots of air time to people like Farron on stuff like the News, the Daily Politics and the Sunday political shows about how the government has "no mandate" for this and "no mandate" for that. This will shut them up.
It also shuts up snakes in the grass like Nicky Morgan and Sozzledberry by burying them under a ton of voters saying "Yes, I back this prime minister."
The Tory party tends to be an odd beast in which factional fights are settled very swiftly and definitively by one of two things, leadership elections and general elections. The split over europe was more of an ongoing fight from the Major/Hesseltine split, which has also been settled by the mother of all votes: a referendum. Only the very fringe loons continue to try and stir up trouble but there's just enough of them the government's narrow majority is an issue.
Also, a majority of 12 (17 when including Sinn Fein not being there) is not remotely a decent majority, one small rebellion and every single vote comes under threat. May is calculating that getting a larger mandate will free her from petty parliamentary involvement in the minutae of the biggest negotiations in the past half century. MPs have also threatened her sensible intention to overturn Blair's ban on Grammar Schools as well, she wants a mandate where a handful of MPs can stop holding the government hostage over their own whims.
21% ahead in national polling is "not wholly in their favour?" You're trolling. Right? Like, legit trolling?
The other issue is the May government still has the whiff of the Cameroons about it, and there's also the agrument she'd be accused of being frit, just like Brown was when he enjoyed single digit leads in opinion polls.
Twenty. Points. Ahead. Anyone who's that far ahead and not going for a GE to secure their own mandate to do what they want is a loon.
No, the BBC is bored and you can see it from the way they kept sending Lauren Kunseberg all the way up to Hollyrood every time Sturgeon opened her trap to try and generate controversy against the May government. They're bored as hell because the Vicar's daughter is running her government like a bloody vicar's daughter.
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It's the disadvantage of living on an island, we have no opportunities to stir up controversy by discussing a hearty bit of wall building.
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And this boost is completely based on...invoking Article 50. Remember that polls told us Labour weren't going to get hung, drawn and quartered in 2015.
It's not an exaggeration to say that how Brexit is being handled is going to decide how people vote, which means that anybody who wanted to stay in the EU or who isn't satisfied with how May is handling it might abandon the Tories. What if they start voting Lib Dem? Come to think of it, if Farron can take back just a few of what used to be safe Lib Dem seats, the Conservatives will lose their majority in parliment. Perhaps this really IS about the election fraud after all, if found guilty could those MP's lose their seats?
Literally a year after getting into power, this party passed a law specifially to restrict this kind of oppurtunism. I guess we're the loons for thinking that Tories were suddenly in favour of augmenting democracy.
Let's turn that around for a second.
There are controversies in May's government, and the people held under the greatest scrutiny are...the people who point this out? Is being a Prime Minister meant to be that easy? We're seen it happen before, look back to 2001 and notice how easily Blair was let off the hook compared to the people who pointed out he was lying about everything he said.
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The BBC haven't done any proper journalism since the David Kelly incident. They're too servile to anyone and everyone. Must be neutral! Must be impartial! Only Andrew "Brillo Pad" Neil actually does that sort of thing, while the Today programme seems to have turned into a big game of soggy biscuit 80% of the time. Ugh.
Speaking of Andrew Neil, despite his many qualities, I'm obliged to post this picture now:
Speaking of Andrew Neil, despite his many qualities, I'm obliged to post this picture now:
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Corbyn sounds downright enthusiastic about it. Is he oblivious, does he actually think he'll benefit from this, or does he just want to be put out of his misery?
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Corbyn is the worst kind of politician, in that he's a true believer, with the lack of compromise that entails.
This means he won't back down even though Labour are burning to the ground, and because he won the position with a vote (and then everyone else shat themselves) the party hasn't got anyone with the power to stop him.
I think he really believes he's got this.
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The fixed term parliament act has two provisions, option 1 is to declare 'there shall be an early general election' this requires a 2/3 majority.
Option two is to pass 'this house has no confidence in her majesties' government' which requires only a simple majority.
If labour vote down the first the tories can try the second which would force labour to vote expressing continued confidence in the government. It would be political suicide and fundamentally undermine their 'opposition' for the remainder of the term. Labour know this and so will not vote against option one.
The ftpa exists to help coalition governments by making rebellions by partner backbenchers allied with the opposition less likely to take down the government. It is another part of clegg's servile legacy.
In any case, the act, like any act can be repealed by a simple majority.
The government have been leading labour for the past two years, this has never happened in a second term parliament in postwar history. Even foot was ahead in 1981 and miliband had a healthy lead in 2012. The polls overestimating labour support in 2015 doesn't change this.
And it doesnt seem to be that the tory vote has spiked- it rose in august of last year and has stayed 40-45 since then while the labour vote has continued to fall steadily as it has since 2015.
That isn't an exaggeration- it is pure fantasy. The remain vote is not evenly spread- it is concentrated, Here is the constituency vote of brexit:
If the election becomes about brexit the conservatives will walk it.
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What's he supposed to do? A vote against holding a new election is either a tacit approval of May's current government or an admission that he'd lose seats.
I reckon we're going to see some Labour losses, the Lib Dems aren't faded enough from memory that some people still don't see them as a viable political force (they've already taken back a seat from labour since the 2015 election). Consolidation of power for May obviously, larger Tory majority to push through their Brexit deal when it comes to it.
But it's going to be a lot of firsts for the political newcomers. We're going to see how well the SNP landslide has stuck since 2015, if they hold it it'll be seen as a support for SNP post-Brexit and spun into Remainer rhetoric. Also Corbyn's first run for PM, going to be fun seeing how that turns out.
I can only give some insight into my home region which is Middlesbrough and North Yorkshire. Brexit and Labour stronghold until now but mass anti-migrant and EU sentiment all-round; might be enough to swing some for the Tories, Lib Dems might win some seats as the acceptable alternative to Labour. UKIP has a big showing there and may get more votes, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw some purple in the North East. Corbyn's personal politics don't wash there.
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Possibly; while many traditionally Labour areas went pro-Brexit (the North East, the Welsh valleys, parts of Manchester, Liverpool, and Lancashire), there are various Tory safe seats where Remain was ahead, including the Home Counties and my borough which was very strongly pro-Remain and has a pro-Remain Tory as its MP.
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Indeed. We've seen an example on both sides of the fence. The by-election for Zac Goldsmith's seat which was a strong Remain area resulted in a Lib Dem victory, though Goldsmith ran as an independent. The by-election recently where Labour lost a seat they'd held since the 1930s voted strongly Leave.
I think this election will come down to how many remain voters are willing to vote Labour/Lib Dem/SNP and how many Leave Voters are willing to back the Conservatives/UKIP. It will CERTAINLY be an interesting election, and could make or break the case for Independence in Scotland and Northern Ireland.
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