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The U.K. fell into recession at the end of last year as the cost-of-living crisis continued to weigh heavily on productivity and consumer spending.

The British economy shrank by 0.3 percent in the final three months of 2023, according to the Office of National Statistics, marking the second quarterly contraction in a row and meeting the definition of a "technical recession."

Analysts had broadly expected a recession, but today's drop was a full 0.2 percentage points lower than forecast.

Though some analysts expect the recession to be temporary, the figures deal a blow to efforts by Prime Minister Rishi Sunak to paint a rosier picture of the economy in what is expected to be an election year.

On Tuesday, Sunak told business executives that the U.K. economy had "turned a corner" and was being widely forecast to grow in 2024.

According to the ONS, the downturn at the close of 2023 was broad-based, led by a 1.3 percent fall in construction and followed by manufacturing and services, with a slowing in recreational activities and auto purchases. U.K. trade and household consumption also struggled.

Business investment increased by 1.4 percent.

Bank of England Governor Andrew Bailey has downplayed fears of a prolonged recession, telling the House of Lords Economic Affairs Committee on Wednesday that he expected a "modest pick-up" to take place later in the year.

"The U.K. economy is likely to continue to flirt with recession for most of this year," Marc Ostwald, chief economist at ADM Services International, said.

"Rates will remain high, even if there are a few cuts later in the year, with little or no fiscal room, and trade with Europe likely to suffer as economies there face a similar outlook," he added.

Inflation is at least starting to slow again, having defied expectations of a small pick-up in December, according to data released Wednesday.

But even that good news was tempered by the suggestion from the Bank of England's Bailey that there would be no imminent lowering of borrowing costs.

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I was gonna say that's an incomplete story since it just shows rate of change, and the sky's the limit when you're sitting in the gutter. But then Irish GDP per capita is ~120k while for the UK it's ~40k so lol, yeah.
Given Ireland's small size and the basing of many US and other corpos who report their earnings there, the GDPs cannot be simply compared like for like. However, the UK's economic performance has long been very sub par. While dying high streets are part due to the rise and rise of e-commerce, it is also a mark of decline. Wealthy places might have fewer grocery stores, but they can afford lots of shops selling coffee and women junk.

If the pound ever drops below the dollar, I am going to shitpost so hard, and beg Null to make it frontpage news with fireworks effects.
I was ordering some Chas III coins from the Royal Mint shop and wow, the £ isn't so strong now, to my benefit.

NIMBYs also abuse the fuck out of the planning authorities to extort builders. A single complaint can hold up a project for years and they often want a "settlement" from the builders to drop the complaint.
A big problem is that anyone paying a fee can object to anything anywhere in Ireland.

Ireland isn't quite a tax haven like the Caymans, say. It has a real economy of sorts (albeit with horrifying services and housing market), which is actually important to US corps who can say Ireland is a real country with a real economy. Outright tax havens in the Caribbean are not so softly treated.
 
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I live in Bongland (or if you're French, Bongleterre) and this is not news to most of us. There's a real despondency. My local town centre looks like the beginning of Atlas Shrugged with all the closed shop fronts and whilst not everywhere there's a feeling of despondency. In theory a weak pound would be an opportunity for export and manufacturing but such things don't grow when they've been killed entirely. And for elections, the only reason anybody will vote for Labour is because of the Conservatives and the only reason anybody will vote for the Conservatives is because of Labour. (And the only reason anybody will vote for the LibDems is because they're awful). There's little inspiring about the leadership of this country.

And it's hard to make positive change because of deluded self-interested cliques that infest the organs of the state. I'll confess, even I've been wondering how I can actually make anything better in this country and I have always been a defiantly optimistic person. I'll get it back but it's certainly not been very uplifting this past year.


No, the lockdowns did. Covid itself did fuck all.
Do you think reform would make any difference? I've seen stuff saying they're a tory psyop. net zero immigration still means niggers coming in. for everyone who gets off this shithole island they'll still replace them with subhuman ferals. They're a psyop because they're still allowed to operate. parties like Britain First who want to solve the problem are ostracised.
I have family members who were always the sort who said a vote for anything other than labor was a vote for the tories but even they're noticing how the countries going down the shitter saying oh its very diverse but in a sarcastic way but I just say, call them what they are. fucking subhuman feral niggers, normalise it and they won't pull these stupid uncomfortable faces when I say it.
 
Do you think reform would make any difference? I've seen stuff saying they're a tory psyop. net zero immigration still means niggers coming in. for everyone who gets off this shithole island they'll still replace them with subhuman ferals. They're a psyop because they're still allowed to operate. parties like Britain First who want to solve the problem are ostracised.
I have family members who were always the sort who said a vote for anything other than labor was a vote for the tories but even they're noticing how the countries going down the shitter saying oh its very diverse but in a sarcastic way but I just say, call them what they are. fucking subhuman feral niggers, normalise it and they won't pull these stupid uncomfortable faces when I say it.
Thing with the Bongs leaving the EU is that it means less Poles but Pakis and nogs to infinity.
 
The energy crisis made it even worse for them. I mean these folks made the galaxy brain move of blowing up the Nord pipeline, just to make Putin look bad. Little did they know that the world can see though all their BS.
The real retard move was buying oil directly from Russia in the first place. It was a devil's deal and the Euros thought they could play the USA and Russia off each other to their benefit in perpetuity, never thinking push would ever turn to shove.

What is deserved has been gotten.
 
We were never asked about it, just like how Americans where never asked if they want infinity mexicano
That's very true, but given the past few decades, Pakis to infinity v Poles to infinity was the only choice allowed. Actual migration control seems to be pure hatethink.


share this, I seen it on the history debunked channel, he's a bit of a kike apologist though

Honestly a person might be a bit wary, as the very idea of halting immigration is comparable to saying men in dresses are not women, a pure act of hatethink that results in a police visit. Not from signing it, but it might put someone on a list. GCHQ might make sure to monitor the communications of the signers.
 
Do you think reform would make any difference? I've seen stuff saying they're a tory psyop. net zero immigration still means niggers coming in. for everyone who gets off this shithole island they'll still replace them with subhuman ferals. They're a psyop because they're still allowed to operate. parties like Britain First who want to solve the problem are ostracised.
I honestly couldn't comment well enough on the Reform party. I've yet to have first hand experience of them. I did have first hand experience of UKIP and found them quite out of touch. Their idea of campaigning was frankly counter-productive. I don't know that Reform would work well as a "controlled opposition" / "dead end for the real right wing". The US Republican party (prior to Trump's coup) did serve that role quite well because there are only two parties. But in Bongland the parties really are in competition with each other. Yes, I know there's commonality due to some common backers and networks but at most levels the parties actually are fighting. It might be for a place at the trough but they fight. So any time they see votes going for a minor party it creates an incentive to try and get some of those votes for themselves. That's how UKIP, despite some serious misjudgements and lousy PR, managed to get their Brexit referendum. The Tories saw the vote being split as more nationalist members started going to UKIP and had to make concessions in order to win them back - i.e. promise a referendum. In the USA, the Republicans (and Democrats even) don't have to make concessions to others because the vote can't be split. It's a simple box - one or the other.

So if it is a psyop then it's not one the main parties sign off on but from elsewhere. I feel it isn't. That's not me speaking to their chances or their competence either way, though. If you look at the AfD in Germany, which I guess you might say is the closest counterpart in that country, they are way more polished and organised. You can download their manifesto (available in English as well) and it's pretty good last I checked. Detailed, well-presented.

But it's a while since I looked at Reform. I should check in and form a more up to date view. Others here will give you a better take than I will right now.

I have family members who were always the sort who said a vote for anything other than labor was a vote for the tories but even they're noticing how the countries going down the shitter saying oh its very diverse but in a sarcastic way but I just say, call them what they are. fucking subhuman feral niggers, normalise it and they won't pull these stupid uncomfortable faces when I say it.
The thing is, the Labour party doesn't need to do anything for such voters. Why pay someone who is doing what you want anyway? Only wavering voters get wooed. You would think that the wave of defections to Tories in the North of England would be a warning shot to Labour but so far as I can see their leadership is too arrogant or too paid off to change their tune. Your family members should get involved in local politics. Labour or Tory, it almost doesn't matter compared to just showing up and getting involved. I suspect they'd find it easier to get what they want from the Tories than Labour, though. Labour are the most arrogant and insufferable leadership I have seen in this country. I mean, maybe the Lib Dems can equal them. But whatever party, unless more ordinary people get involved in politics at all levels this country is not going to pull out of the current situation.
 
I can't reply to your comment @Overly Serious what do you think of thr big labour split with all the pakis leaving over Kier Starmer supporting Israel?
If you highlight just some of their post you can reply/quote that chunk. The forum hates it when people repeat one another's wall of tests.

Also if you think the majority of Pakistani voters aren't voting Labour next election then prepare to be surprised.
 
So any time they see votes going for a minor party it creates an incentive to try and get some of those votes for themselves. That's how UKIP, despite some serious misjudgements and lousy PR, managed to get their Brexit referendum. The Tories saw the vote being split as more nationalist members started going to UKIP and had to make concessions in order to win them back - i.e. promise a referendum. In the USA, the Republicans (and Democrats even) don't have to make concessions to others because the vote can't be split. It's a simple box - one or the other.
I wish this was the case with the Canadian PPC and the Progressive-Cuckservative Party
 
If you highlight just some of their post you can reply/quote that chunk. The forum hates it when people repeat one another's wall of tests.

Also if you think the majority of Pakistani voters aren't voting Labour next election then prepare to be surprised.
Didn't some paki NGO post a thing saying we are 4 million, vote in our interest? Some paki muslim party got knocked back recently. There's a split in labor between the pro kike and pro pedo worshipper camps. Do you think Reform or Britain first would make any headway?
 
I can't reply to your comment @Overly Serious what do you think of thr big labour split with all the pakis leaving over Kier Starmer supporting Israel?
It's about the same as when Blacks or Hispanics in the US threaten to stop voting Democrat - it's all just a bunch of hot air that they'll never actually act on. And if there ever is a risk they might actually do it, the powers that be can just rattle the "racism"/"Islamophobia" cage to get them back on the Labour plantation. And if that doesn't work and they start a new party to represent their interests, they can just wait for them to say something antisemitic (these are Pakistanis we're talking about, it's inevitable they will), then get their party banned for violating hate-speech laws and arrest their supporters for backing a banned party.
 
@teriakiburns They just changed the rules on what pharmacists can give you. I don’t think they can give oral antibiotics but I am sure someone mentioned impetigo as one of the things they’re able to treat so it might be worth a look?
There's a few. Well check, see what comes up.

Thing with the Bongs leaving the EU is that it means less Poles but Pakis and nogs to infinity.
Wed be getting those even if we stayed in. EU migration wasn't high enough to properly suppress wages, so the plan was always to import infinity Indians and a paki plethora. The original idea was to laundry then through freedom of movement rules. They just found a way to do it with greater efficiency.
 
Do you think reform would make any difference? I've seen stuff saying they're a tory psyop. net zero immigration still means niggers coming in. for everyone who gets off this shithole island they'll still replace them with subhuman ferals. They're a psyop because they're still allowed to operate. parties like Britain First who want to solve the problem are ostracised.
I have family members who were always the sort who said a vote for anything other than labor was a vote for the tories but even they're noticing how the countries going down the shitter saying oh its very diverse but in a sarcastic way but I just say, call them what they are. fucking subhuman feral niggers, normalise it and they won't pull these stupid uncomfortable faces when I say it.
Its probably the best way forward but too little to late, the kind of reforms that are needed to save the country will not play well with voters. Even if the borders get closed, government has become so big and regulation so heavy, the country will not be able to recover
 
Didn't some paki NGO post a thing saying we are 4 million, vote in our interest? Some paki muslim party got knocked back recently. There's a split in labor between the pro kike and pro pedo worshipper camps. Do you think Reform or Britain first would make any headway?
Possibly, I don't recall seeing it but I would be unsurprised.

Doubt those parties are going to get them either, the majority see Labour as best for their personal interests. Liberal Democrats might get a few votes and Conservatives get surprisingly many too.
 
Rest assured in every western nation - for some time now - the inflation, GDP and CPI figures only relate to the wealthy.

A CPI, GDP and Inflation with the top 10% taken off for the wealthy would reveal what is really happening - slow motion disaster.

So when we see it actually starting to reflect in the average man’s bullshit stats, you know it’s really bloody over.

When I saw the inflation figures for the USA I had to laugh knowing it was grossly out of kilter with reality for 9 out of 10 Americans.
 
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