UK UK falls into recession - Last three months of 2023 showed a larger contraction of the economy than forecast

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The U.K. fell into recession at the end of last year as the cost-of-living crisis continued to weigh heavily on productivity and consumer spending.

The British economy shrank by 0.3 percent in the final three months of 2023, according to the Office of National Statistics, marking the second quarterly contraction in a row and meeting the definition of a "technical recession."

Analysts had broadly expected a recession, but today's drop was a full 0.2 percentage points lower than forecast.

Though some analysts expect the recession to be temporary, the figures deal a blow to efforts by Prime Minister Rishi Sunak to paint a rosier picture of the economy in what is expected to be an election year.

On Tuesday, Sunak told business executives that the U.K. economy had "turned a corner" and was being widely forecast to grow in 2024.

According to the ONS, the downturn at the close of 2023 was broad-based, led by a 1.3 percent fall in construction and followed by manufacturing and services, with a slowing in recreational activities and auto purchases. U.K. trade and household consumption also struggled.

Business investment increased by 1.4 percent.

Bank of England Governor Andrew Bailey has downplayed fears of a prolonged recession, telling the House of Lords Economic Affairs Committee on Wednesday that he expected a "modest pick-up" to take place later in the year.

"The U.K. economy is likely to continue to flirt with recession for most of this year," Marc Ostwald, chief economist at ADM Services International, said.

"Rates will remain high, even if there are a few cuts later in the year, with little or no fiscal room, and trade with Europe likely to suffer as economies there face a similar outlook," he added.

Inflation is at least starting to slow again, having defied expectations of a small pick-up in December, according to data released Wednesday.

But even that good news was tempered by the suggestion from the Bank of England's Bailey that there would be no imminent lowering of borrowing costs.

Politico
 
You cannot see a GP.
Oh god don't get me started. My wife has been trying to see our GP for what looks like a bit of a staph infection. It took over a week just to get them to discuss it and it has been almost another since she sent in a photograph of the area for them to triage her. I'm thinking she would have been quicker to fly back home and see a doctor there.

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I was gonna say that's an incomplete story since it just shows rate of change, and the sky's the limit when you're sitting in the gutter. But then Irish GDP per capita is ~120k while for the UK it's ~40k so lol, yeah.

GDP is a meaningless boast as it doesn't reflect incomes, living expenses, or anything other than economic productivity. Those figures are propped up by Ireland offering a favourable tax regime for enormous american tech companies and the fact that Ireland is a net recipient of EU funding, which means they can splash cash on maintaining a gigantic property bubble (which only really exists because of immigration). The Irish people are suffering all the same systemic issues as the British, right down to a collapsing healthcare system, niggers everywhere, and police that arrest people for saying there are niggers everywhere.
 
Being a tax haven for multi-national corporations doesn't count.
>be poor country with no natural resources
>decide best way to make country richer is to attract foreign investment
>lowers taxes
>corporations come
>GDP increases 1000%
>PROFIT?????
Ireland has one of the worst housing markets in the entire world
True, but Ireland is a small island nation, the reason its so expensive is because there is literally nowhere else to build more housing.
 
>be poor country with no natural resources
>decide best way to make country richer is to attract foreign investment
>lowers taxes
>corporations come
>GDP increases 1000%
>PROFIT?????

True, but Ireland is a small island nation, the reason it’s so expensive is because there is literally nowhere else to build more housing.
Ireland’s population density is 72 per km^2, which is slightly above average. For reference, Belgium’s density is 383 per km^2. Housing sucks in Ireland because they deliberately avoid building more to boost the price.
 
I remember watching Top Gear in 2005 and being amazed that a Ford GT cost less than £100k. That car cost $140k in the US. Since that episode aired, the value of the pound has fallen relative to the dollar, even as the value of the dollar has declined. That means that a British person earning £50k in 2005 was effectively earning $70k, but now a British person earning £50k today is earning only $50k.
Meanwhile us Canadians are sitting in the corner where our 50k salary is 35k USD.
 
My wife has been trying to see our GP for what looks like a bit of a staph infection.
I’m sure you know this but if your wife develops a fever you go straight to A and E. ditto if any signs of erisepelas or cellulitis from it.
We should have walk in clinics where you pay 25 quid and take a ticket. Other countries have this, minor injuries units etc. this insanity that we don’t.
Edited to add: if it’s skin based do you have a pharmacy near you? @teriakiburns They just changed the rules on what pharmacists can give you. I don’t think they can give oral antibiotics but I am sure someone mentioned impetigo as one of the things they’re able to treat so it might be worth a look?
Meanwhile us Canadians are sitting in the corner where our 50k salary is 35k USD.
Median salary in the uk is I think 29k. We are very, very poor. People who do my job in the USA earn over 150k. With less tax. Canada used to look like such a nice place, now you’d not pay me to go there.
 
Thanks to our absurd costs of living, not-included in our statistics in an appropriate context, it's even worse than it seems.
I remember reading a few years ago that the consumer price index (CPI) assumed rent to be 20% of income expenditure! I fucking wish.

GDP is a meaningless boast as it doesn't reflect incomes, living expenses, or anything other than economic productivity.
This too, also natural disasters cause GDP to spike, because whats spent on fixing/rebuilding is added to the GDP, but doesn't account for broken window fallacy.
 
It’s hard to explain just how much worse things have gotten here. Since Blair (may he roast in the darkest pits hades has to offer) opened the floodgates we’ve got worse. But the last five years have been a really rapid decline. Since coof closures, it’s been even worse. Our infrastructure is literally falling to bits. You cannot see a GP. They are all hiding somewhere emerging only to push statins and shots in people before scuttling back to their gold lined bunkers. Thousands queue for a new NHS dentist. Everything is falling apart. It genuinely feels a bit apocalyptic.
COVID really broke the country didn't it
 
I live in Bongland (or if you're French, Bongleterre) and this is not news to most of us. There's a real despondency. My local town centre looks like the beginning of Atlas Shrugged with all the closed shop fronts and whilst not everywhere there's a feeling of despondency. In theory a weak pound would be an opportunity for export and manufacturing but such things don't grow when they've been killed entirely. And for elections, the only reason anybody will vote for Labour is because of the Conservatives and the only reason anybody will vote for the Conservatives is because of Labour. (And the only reason anybody will vote for the LibDems is because they're awful). There's little inspiring about the leadership of this country.

And it's hard to make positive change because of deluded self-interested cliques that infest the organs of the state. I'll confess, even I've been wondering how I can actually make anything better in this country and I have always been a defiantly optimistic person. I'll get it back but it's certainly not been very uplifting this past year.

COVID really broke the country didn't it
No, the lockdowns did. Covid itself did fuck all.
 
Ireland’s population density is 72 per km^2, which is slightly above average. For reference, Belgium’s density is 383 per km^2. Housing sucks in Ireland because they deliberately avoid building more to boost the price.
NIMBYs also abuse the fuck out of the planning authorities to extort builders. A single complaint can hold up a project for years and they often want a "settlement" from the builders to drop the complaint.
 
If the pound ever drops below the dollar, I am going to shitpost so hard, and beg Null to make it frontpage news with fireworks effects.
 
The energy crisis made it even worse for them. I mean these folks made the galaxy brain move of blowing up the Nord pipeline, just to make Putin look bad. Little did they know that the world can see though all their BS.
Our energy crisis has less to do with the war directly, and more to do with the fact the energy companies saw it as an excuse to bend us over and make a profit, and Ofgem, instead of doing their fucking job, decided to hand them the lube instead.
 
Not enjoying your Brexit?
We haven't been allowed to enjoy Brexit. The powers that be didn't want to leave so dragged out implementing Brexit for as long as possible then when they finally did Covid came along and fucked us and then Ukraine happened with led to an energy crisis as well as us throwing money into a slavic moneypit.
 
UK's been in recession for years now.
 
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