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NerdShamer said:
"Swanpride, tl;dr. Enjoy your ban for going against the herd"
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The link isnt working what happened

Gentleman of Entropy said:
Funfact: How many does franchises the TV Tropes Pantheon represent? Yesterday, I manually counted 500+.

I didn't bother counting how many gods it has because I'm sure it's too damn many, but for brevity's sake, I assumed the median number of gods per franchise is 6-7 statistics-wise. So, the Pantheon has more than 3,000-3,500 characters there - no wonder I didn't, and still couldn't make sense of half of it. Hell, the people there seem to be more concerned about the franchises they follow, whether it's BlazBlue, Fate, Kamen Rider or whatever's currently popular.
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I mean franchises like the DC and marvel Universes I can understand having a huge amount of representation given the vast amount of characters with iconic status but Kamen Rider, Fate, and Blazeblue having a huge amount of representation feels off as they are relatively niche franchises.
 
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Aladdin (2019) / YMMV - TV Tropes

Actor Shipping: There are many "cute and funny moments" videos on YouTube between Mena Massoud and Naomi Scott, despite the fact that the latter is married. Which some comments find it is "too bad". Alternative Character Interpretation: When …
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Oh fuck off, TVT. I liked both Jasmines, but you guys don't need to treat the original one like she's inferior for being attractive and not being a Tuff Chick (tm)

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lol, and as soon as they could they threw her actress under the bus. :story:
 
WatchingAllOfYou said:
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Aladdin (2019) / YMMV - TV Tropes

Actor Shipping: There are many "cute and funny moments" videos on YouTube between Mena Massoud and Naomi Scott, despite the fact that the latter is married. Which some comments find it is "too bad". Alternative Character Interpretation: When …
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Oh fuck off, TVT. I liked both Jasmines, but you guys don't need to treat the original one like she's inferior for being attractive and not being a Tuff Chick (tm)

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lol, and as soon as they could they threw her actress under the bus. :story:
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>colorist
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NerdShamer said:
She was misinformed on the Brexit deal
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1984 is a work of fiction and not a guideline to how to run something. Then again, it was probably Fighteer who banned her, and he's an authoritarian dictator. I'm also rather curious about the YMMV on 1984 and see how badly they fuck that up.
 
Jewelsmakerguy said:
Is this what you're looking for?
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/NineteenEightyFour
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The page is okay, I guess. There's nothing too offensive, except this horseshit.
Periphery Demographic: The novel is highly popular among LGBT groups who see the novel's portrayal of constant surveillance, thoughtcrime, and enforcement of ideology as a metaphor for how heteronormative social values forced LGBT peoples to remain in the closet, and find love in secret and in hiding, with Winston and Julia's admittedly straight but forbidden romance, a reflection of how they had to find love and their brutal "reeducation" disturbingly similar to the attempts at Cure Your Gays by heterosexual peoples. Indeed, David Bowie planned a musical adaptation of the novel (which eventually got worked into Diamond Dogs) that would have focused on this aspect of the book. With that in mind, it can be quite a shock to learn that Orwell was himself a lifelong and dedicated Heteronormative Crusader and that at Eton he, as a Prefect, would rat out students he suspected of being gay.
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This interpretation makes absolutely no sense. I mean fuck, it really isn't that surprising Orwell himself disliked gay people given the time period he lived in.
 
Is 1984 really that popular among LGBT groups???Is your average gay man in Chicago that enamored with 1984???A better question how many have actually read the novel in general?I don't know sometimes i think this is just a small subset of individuals who claim to speak for everyone else in their group.I'd like to see the stats on such statements.
 
iafiv said:
Is 1984 really that popular among LGBT groups???Is your average gay man in Chicago that enamored with 1984???A better question how many have actually read the novel in general?I don't know sometimes i think this is just a small subset of individuals who claim to speak for everyone else in their group.I'd like to see the stats on such statements.
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I'd say it's more that gay TV tropes writers honestly think "Everything ever is all about MEEEEEE!!!!"

1984 is not about homosexuality in any way, shape, or form. Not even a little tiny bit. The secret love affair is basically irrelevant to the fucking story, the important part is that they were resisting the government, that's why they got in trouble.

If you are reading 1984 for the fucking characters you are not getting it. The characters don't matter, it's the society those characters inhabit that the story is about.

But of course some self obsessed gay tropers would read something predicting the future as "Imagine a boot stomping on a human face, forever" and say "OK that sounds good but what about teh buttsex?"
 
Corbin Dallas Multipass said:
I'd say it's more that gay TV tropes writers honestly think "Everything ever is all about MEEEEEE!!!!"

1984 is not about homosexuality in any way, shape, or form. Not even a little tiny bit. The secret love affair is basically irrelevant to the fucking story, the important part is that they were resisting the government, that's why they got in trouble.

If you are reading 1984 for the fucking characters you are not getting it. The characters don't matter, it's the society those characters inhabit that the story is about.

But of course some self obsessed gay tropers would read something predicting the future as "Imagine a boot stomping on a human face, forever" and say "OK that sounds good but what about teh buttsex?"
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Speaking of which, there's a web novel made by an alt-right called "Victoria". Which is a watered-down modern version of Racial Holy War.
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Victoria

Victoria: A Novel of Fourth Generation Warfare is a novel by military theorist William S. Lind (published in 2014 under the penname Thomas Hobbes) in which, 20 Minutes into the Future, the United States breaks up into a series of warring …
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Now would expect something right leaning stuff to get red link or look down upon, but nope! With this one it's gets referenced everywhere as the same link as MLP and whateley universe so much so it got referred as an "epic"! They even admit it!
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Accidental Aesop: Like the book Christian Nation, one could easily walk away convinced this book's message is that fundamentalist Christianity is a threat to contemporary American society. Both the hero's and antagonist's actions make a …
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And by "they", they mean themselves. The tv tropes writers.
 
Durenduren said:
Speaking of which, there's a web novel made by an alt-right called "Victoria". Which is a watered-down modern version of Racial Holy War.
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Victoria

Victoria: A Novel of Fourth Generation Warfare is a novel by military theorist William S. Lind (published in 2014 under the penname Thomas Hobbes) in which, 20 Minutes into the Future, the United States breaks up into a series of warring …
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Now would expect something right leaning stuff to get red link or look down upon, but nope! With this one it's gets referenced everywhere as the same link as MLP and whateley universe so much so it got referred as an "epic"! They even admit it!
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Victoria / YMMV - TV Tropes

Accidental Aesop: Like the book Christian Nation, one could easily walk away convinced this book's message is that fundamentalist Christianity is a threat to contemporary American society. Both the hero's and antagonist's actions make a …
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And by "they", they mean themselves. The tv tropes writers.
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To be fair there’s nothing wrong with enjoying something in a “Reefer Madness” sort of way
 
Baldur's Gait said:
The page is okay, I guess. There's nothing too offensive, except this horseshit.


This interpretation makes absolutely no sense. I mean fuck, it really isn't that surprising Orwell himself disliked gay people given the time period he lived in.
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I can't believe that you missed the "harsher in hindsight" entry, which more "reality unintentionally copying fiction"
 
Out of curiosity I decided to check the YMMV page for Married...With Children given how blatantly offensive that show is even almost 30 years later. There's some stupid shit here.
  • Designated Hero: There are plenty of times where Peg falls into this scenario, but possibly the best example was in the "Married...With Prom Queen" two-parter where she didn't even try to be heroic or sympathetic in any way. Aside from starting out the first part by mocking a starving Bud and Kelly, she blows well over two grand on a combination of clothing and phone calls to ensure she wins the title of class reunion queen instead of her high school rival (who, conversely, is arguably a Designated Villain herself), is confronted by those who lives she ruined in high school by doing things like stealing away one classmate's true love (then dumping him a week later) and breaking the marriage between another's parents and then forces the kids to break into the ballot box and forge the votes to win the race anyway and was insensitive to Al's injuries during the fight he had with his own school rival.
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Given that the show deliberately made its characters unlikable, calling Peg, Al's vapid and lazy wife, a designated hero is missing the joke entirely.

Here's some dumb Funny Aneurysm Moments
  • At least one episode had a joke about Kelly stuffing her bra, which is no longer funny after Christina Applegate's battle with breast cancer and double mastectomy.
  • In the "Hi, I.Q." episode, at one point, when trying to console Kelly, Al mentions that Buck used to run around all happy and with a lot of energy, but stopped because "obviously, he didn't like [doing] that." This statement becomes pretty sad in the later seasons when you realize that the reason Buck didn't run around as much as he used to is because the Briard who played Buck, Michael, was stricken with arthritis and was physically unable to run around and climb the stairs anymore to the point being relegated to just sitting on the stairs and eventually had to retire.
  • Being considered either this or Hilarious in Hindsight (depending on your sense of humor), the "I Want My Psycho Dad" episode had Bud mentioning a fictional show called Saved by the Bell: The Prison Years. About a decade later, Screech's actor, Dustin Diamond, was sent to jail for a few months for stabbing a man.
  • In "Peggy Sue Got Work", Peggy gets a job in a department store to earn money for a VCR after Al refuses to buy her one. While working, she overhears a customer talking about Oprah doing a whole week on "Transsexuals: Which Bathroom Should They Use?" No longer funny after 2016 when this very issue became a national controversy.
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The fucking Hilarious in Hindsight trope has twenty six entries. And no I'm not putting them here. Best part though is the trope on Values Dissonance, because a show that was deliberately offensive and boundary-pushing has to reflect modern values. Some of these examples are ridiculous.

  • Even with the controversy of the show (or just plain Black Comedy of its nature), some elements of the show, given its genre and prime-time hours (and the basic cable channel it was on), wouldn't fly nowadays. Case in point, in the first couple of seasons, Peg smoked like a chimney. Also, even if it were for only a few episodes and with that blink-and-you'll-miss-it moments, Kelly wore a bomber jacket with a Confederate flag patch on it.
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Ooookay? So she smoked a lot? Is that really cause for concern?

  • Along the same lines, anytime Al had sex with Peg against his will (or vice versa), or Bud was grabbed by a fat woman and forced to have sex with her. Played for laughs, but would be viewed as spousal rape and female-on-male rape, respectively, today.
  • Also, in the episode "Her Cups Runneth Over"note has Steve ogling a mannequin dressed in a leather mini-skirt and match pasties, which he then begins to poke at. Al wanders over, comments to him "Steve, aren't you ashamed of yourself?" for doing it, which makes him reply back, "Oh, come on, Al; she was asking for it! You can see the way she's dressed!"
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  • Both of the episodes "Requiem for a Dead Barber" and "Calendar Girl" would cause a lot of controversy and backlash if aired today. The former can come off as homophobic (particularly the part where Al complaining to his friends about their ridiculous hairstyles and saying how they need to put their heads under a hose and "wash the gay away") and the latter's ending (where Bud learns that his dream girl Cristal Connors was born a man and all of the NO MA'AM members and Al's shoe store rival big Floyd are completely squicked out, Bud's classmate Little Floyd laughs at him and Bud is left all alone and "frozen" in shock) can be seen as extremely transphobic.
  • Speaking of transphobia, the show probably couldn't get away with all the jokes about Marcy being a man or being confused for a man anymore, now that misgendering is such a sensitive issue.
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Of course people are gonna complain about transphobia. Of fucking course they would.
 
  • Speaking of transphobia, the show probably couldn't get away with all the jokes about Marcy being a man or being confused for a man anymore, now that misgendering is such a sensitive issue.
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And Al's jokes about Marcy being a chicken have caused insurmountable harm to the otherkin community.
 
REGENDarySumanai said:
1984 is a work of fiction and not a guideline to how to run something. Then again, it was probably Fighteer who banned her, and he's an authoritarian dictator. I'm also rather curious about the YMMV on 1984 and see how badly they fuck that up.
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I swear there's some kind of disease that turns mods into authoritarian asshats
 
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