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How can you expect a bunch of people who think an Espeon is scary to understand complex things like politics and social dysfunctions?

Typical of tropers. Acting all high and mighty, yet they're easily lured into SocJus mindset. Have they ever gone to the "Cultural Appropriation" zones yet? I fear for my own insanity and I don't think I have the courage to tackle the :autism: there.
 
Sun Shihong said:
Have they ever gone to the "Cultural Appropriation" zones yet? I fear for my own insanity and I don't think I have the courage to tackle the :autism: there.
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Given they name their "tropes" with gratuitous weeb-speak, shouldn't tropers be all down with "cultural appropriation"?
 
Sun Shihong said:
Typical of tropers. Acting all high and mighty, yet they're easily lured into SocJus mindset. Have they ever gone to the "Cultural Appropriation" zones yet? I fear for my own insanity and I don't think I have the courage to tackle the :autism: there.
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I'm pretty sure they have, but because I have a life to live, I'll leave it to the ones that don't (read: you guys) to do it for me.

And off-topic, but I found a book (a real book) that, like TV Tropes would have been in the hands of the competent, categorizes, explains, demonstrates, and analyzes common conventions in fiction. It's called "The Fiction Writer's Handbook," by Shelly Lowenkopf (check it out here: http://shellylowenkopf.com/the-fiction-writers-handbook/)
 
Recently, the Sony Pictures Animation thread on TV Tropes was closed because all everyone talked about on there was how The Emoji Movie sucked and how Popeye didn't deserve to be cancelled for that, which is not true. (If they want someone to blame for the cancelation of Popeye, they should blame Seth Rogen, whose movie, The Interview, may or may not have caused the Sony hacks that caused several people at Sony to leave their animation department, but that's another story.) Heck, even one person pointed out that The Emoji Movie wasn't the reason for Popeye getting cancelled, but the other users still wouldn't listen to them. They even made posts on the thread parodying things such as Honest Trailers and the opening to Samurai Jack to express (pun intended) their hatred for the film:

From Sony Pictures, the studio that could've let one of the best modern animators of our time make the animated movie he always wanted to make comes the movie that literally nobody asked for but was figured to be the best idea regardless. And they were wrong. Very wrong.



The Emoji Movie.


Meet Gene, he's supposed to be a Meh emoji, except he can't help but be more than just meh. But when he makes an ambiguous face, he's got no choice but to go on the run with his friend Hi-5, the obligatory funny-accented goofball and Jailbreak, the even more obligatory rebellious love interest to make him one single emotion before they get snuffed out by Smiler, the villain who's so obviously evil, it's not even ironically funny.


Join the three misfit emojis as they embark on a quest...that's totally an enlongated commercial for phone apps like: Snapchat, Twitter, and...Just Dance? Really? That's an app too? Oh come on.


Witness Gene as he goes through the painfully obvious Aesop that being yourself is way better than being one single thing everyone expects you to be. Hey, guys at Sony? You realize that's been done to death by now, right? And be flabbergasted by how this movie was the deciding factor on whether or not Sony should sell off their film and TV divisions.


(needle scratch)


Wait. Seriously?! Sony thought this'd be worth a franchise?! Oh man, those guys are dumb!


Starring...
  • Less than Meh (Gene)
  • Loser Hand (Hi-5)
  • Wyldstyle done Wrong (Jailbreak)
  • Genericly super perfectionist villain #3006 (Smiler)
  • Patrick Stewart after losing a bet (Poop Daddy)
  • Obligatory male human character nobody will care about (Boy in real world)
  • Obligatory female love interest nobody will care about either(Girl in real world)
  • And...the biggest bunch of freaking idiots this side of Hollywood. (Sony executives and Tom Rothman)


Sony Executives v Everyone: Dawn of Idiotic Ideas


We could've gotten a Popeye movie by the guy who made Samurai Jack, but nooooo! They thought Genndy's idea wasn't "modern enough." Sigh, it's stuff like this that make me not want to live on this planet anymore...

NOT SO LONG AGO IN AMERICA I SOOOONY UNLEASHED AN UNSPEAKABLE MOVIE IN CINEMAS. BUT THEN A CRITICALLY CLAIMED ANIMATOR STEPPED FORTH WITH A BETTER PROJECT. BUT BEFORE THE IDEA COULD GET OFF THE GROUND I TORE OPEN A PORTAL IN SPACE AND FLUNG IT INTO DEVELOPMENT HELL WHERE MY EVIL IS RAW. NOW THE ANIMATOR SEEKS TO REVIVE HIS IDEA AND UNDO THE DISASTER THAT IS THE EMOJI MOVIE!
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Their use of "Aesop" to mean "moral" is fucking annoying.
 
Rabbit without a hat said:
They could just use the term moral. The simply named tropes are the best ones, at least in terms of understanding what they mean at first glance, but no we've got to have our bullshit lexicon of references that hinder our ability to be a wiki. (Though this page and the links show the problem used to be a lot worse http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Administrivia/RenamedTropes)
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Okay in some fairness if you can't make the informed connection between Aesop and story morals then you have a stunted view on literature.

My issue with the trope name is tropers apply it too liberally. Aesop's fables had pretty obvious morals because that was the point. But tropers apply that term to any kind of message they think they're getting from the story.
 
Tv tropes can find tonnes of nightmarefuel in non-scary children's cartoons. Of course they can find an Aesop in everything. (The fact the Aesop tropes are YMMV doesn't help them at all)
 
"Animal Lack Attributes", as first sight, looks like just another among their thousands of alliterative, obscure "tropes", but what "attributes" is it referring to? Turns out this is where tropers complain about animators not drawing genitals in cartoon animals.

I know what you're all thinking of:

In My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (Also included in Non-Humans Lack Attributes due to civilisation of ponies) attention is constantly inadvertently drawn to their lack of attributes by perpetually raised tails and frequent use of from-behind perspectives.
  • In the episode "The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000", Rainbow Dash wakes up Fluttershy early so that they aren't too late to get cider. Rainbow Dash pulls down the covers she's holding up over her, causing her to blush and cover her chest with her forelegs, even though she has no visible genitals or mammaries.
  • It gets played for laughs again in "Make New Friends But Keep Discord": After the Smooze covers Rarity in slime, Discord uses a vacuum to suck the slime off, removing her dress with it. Rarity's response is to cover herself and slink away, despite the fact that there's nothing to cover. Though Rarity being Rarity, it's easy to believe that she wasn't embarrassed so much about her nudity as being seen without a dress at a high-society event.
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"...attention is constantly inadvertently drawn to their lack of [genitals] by perpetually raised tails and frequent use of from-behind perspectives." Ponder this.

Even more disturbingly, under "Other".

Most toy animals, especially if they're aimed at younger children, lack gender specific anatomy. This is particularly true of toy horses such as the I Love Ponies range.
  • However, models/toys aimed at older children/collectors often subvert this trope. Whilst model horse brands such as Breyer, Bullyland and Schleich played this trope fairly straight in the past, often depriving their stallion models of appropriate anatomy, most newer models, especially since the start of the 21st century, use sculpture models that are completely intact, even adding teats for the mares in the case of Schleich.
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I personally haven't spent a lot of time on it, but I'm sure @GethN7 can help answer your question.
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Well, we have a longer description on our site about what we are about, but here's the short version.

1. We don't censor stuff unless we legally have to. By the same token, you can trope and discuss hentai games and other adult works so long as you don't do so while typing with one hand. Just stick to the facts and keep what gets you off to yourself and we have no problems with that material being discussed and pages made for it.

2. Admins are not gods, the rules apply to us too. In fact, I myself personally have stepped down over incidents where I was in contravention of the rules, even did so willingly to set an example, and would happily do so again. We also are not above getting called out for screwing up, so long as you do so in a civil manner and bring up legitimate grievances concerning technical issues or bad admin decisions. Dissent is not treason as far as we are concerned.

3. We have a forum, but it's strictly limited to on-site related matters only. We decided the unfettered forum TV Tropes had caused a lot of the problems we wanted to avoid, like nasty fights over politics, creepy sex based RPs, and non site material can easily be discussed in other fora anyway.

4. We are transparent about enforcing the rules. None of that "closed doors decisions" crap unless it involves private information or legal matters that require discretion.

5. We go out of our way to be hands off on rule enforcement and being nice to newbies, as all of us despised what we saw as ironfisted BS on TV Tropes we wanted to get away from.

6. Finally, we are an alternative to TV Tropes, but we have no objection to people posting on both sites (though you have to be mindful of certain copyright rules when doing so), and we keep in touch with TV Tropes, as neither of us wishes to cause the other site undue trouble and have and will cooperate to deal with vandals and troublemakers that have plagued us both.
 
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Teen Titans Go! is this to many fans of the comic, the previous animated series, and those of Young Justice. It's a Denser and Wackier comedy like the above-mentioned Ultimate Spider-Man, has an unappealing Super-Deformed art-style, and is helmed by two people who nonchalantly admitted that they never even saw the original show. Early reviews had a consensus of "Not the best, but enjoyable if taken as its own thing", but since then, it's gotten flak for taking beloved teenage heroes with fleshed out personalities and turning them into Unsympathetic Comedy Protagonists, at best, and downright sociopathic villains, at worst, making the "take it as its own thing" mentality harder to maintain for most.
  • There are also a multitude of episodes devoted entirely to trolling the show's Hatedom, which as The Mysterious Mr. Enter has pointed out, not only alienates original Teen Titans fans, but the show's intended audience as well, since making sense of the episode at all requires you to be aware of the hatedom, and actually enjoying the episode requires you to hate the hatedom on top of that. One of the most egregious examples is an episode revolving almost entirely around Robin teaching the Titans how to invest in rental property (made as a rebuttal to supposed complaints that the show doesn't teach any messages,) with the only joke being that the episode has no jokes and is boring.
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the TTG writers are all white supremacist pedophiles CONFIRMED
 
Uncanny Valley said:
the TTG writers are all white supremacist pedophiles CONFIRMED
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I love how they bring up Mr Enter as some sort of validation for their criticisms, not realizing most normal people don't know who he is or why they should give a shit some random guy on the Internet said something sucks.

Also, I don't think you really need context to get that joke about Robin trying to teach rental property; it sounds to me like they're making fun of preachy morality shows in general by having the lesson be something incredibly boring. You don't have to know people criticize it for not teaching kids lessons, the joke works both ways if anything.
 
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I love how they bring up Mr Enter as some sort of validation for their criticisms, not realizing most normal people don't know who he is or why they should give a shit some random guy on the Internet said something sucks.

Also, I don't think you really need context to get that joke about Robin trying to teach rental property; it sounds to me like they're making fun of preachy morality shows in general by having the lesson be something incredibly boring. You don't have to know people criticize it for not teaching kids lessons, the joke works both ways if anything.
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They seem to treat Mr Enter as someone to aspire to be and some sort of validation for their shitty life choices in general, which is totally healthy and not creepy at all.
 
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Replicant Sasquatch said:
There was a lot of overlap between Buffy and WWE fans in the early 2000s when the site had its genesis.
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Big Brood fanbase?

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Is somebody colourblind at TVTropes?

Syaoran Li said:
TV Tropes was a mistake.
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Its good for reading up on Trivia and finding obscure media but TVT is autism manifest
 
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