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[Krieger]

Actually, it's worse than that.

Instead of being just unable to see the forest for the trees, they can't see the forest because they fixate on irrelevant leaves instead.

He was shanked in the gut and called the woman who shanked him a bitch, which, considering he got a knife to the gut, is a pretty understandable reaction. I'd be disturbed if he took getting shanked in the gut without showing some form of outrage, but instead acted like anyone would when someone they didn't expect inflicted a possibly mortal wound, especially if that person was a woman.

The idiots who got triggered over him calling a woman a bitch ignore the context because they don't care. As soon as they see a man called a woman a gendered insult, nuance is ignored and they decided to flip out over something that perfect sense in context, just because it triggered their white knight reflex.

And their fixating on him using a gendered slur is rather sad when we are talking about a mass murderer on a scale that would horrify every 20th century dictator due to his sheer cruelty and brutality, and the fact he has a body count that could damn the souls of countless people is what should really make a guy out to be a villain, not the fact he said something mean about a woman who had every reason to shank his entrails out of his gut and he had every reason to be more than a little pissed at her over getting a knife lodged in his abdomen.

This is what I find most hilarious. Whatever anyone's opinions are about Kefka as a villain, he is one of the cruelest motherfuckers out there with (at least in the US translation) a dash of Joker to seal the evil deal. You're supposed to hate him and he isn't above calling someone a bitch, even if he didn't have this particular situation as context. There are numerous reasons to vilify Kefka, due to the deliberate decision to make him thoroughly evil.

Why they decided to pick that out of all his actions to twist their tits over means they had to look for a reason to white knight. And it wouldn't even matter in context since he's good as shanked anyway and he wouldn't have given any fucks what you thought had he been real.

 

[Closet Sorcerer]

TV Tropers might be getting their panties in a twist because Kefka used the B-word in Japanese (which I'm sure a good chunk of them can't speak outside of anime generic lines) ?

They're going to turn into a supernova if we let them see the end of MGS Ground Zeroes.

Spoiler: MGS 5 spoilers

Where one of the good guys starts shaking a (fake) POC woman while screaming at her : "Start talking, BITCH !"

 

[Pointless Pedant]

TV Tropers might be getting their panties in a twist because Kefka used the B-word in Japanese (which I'm sure a good chunk of them can't speak outside of anime generic lines) ?

They're going to turn into a supernova if we let them see the end of MGS Ground Zeroes.

Spoiler: MGS 5 spoilers

Where one of the good guys starts shaking a (fake) POC woman while screaming at her : "Start talking, BITCH !"

A fake POC woman? Do you mean a tranny?

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

A fake POC woman? Do you mean a tranny?

The character, Paz, is an American posing as a young Hispanic girl. So she's sort of Hispanic and sort of not, and we know how Hispanics occupy a really weird space between whites and "POCs".

 

[Pointless Pedant]

The character, Paz, is an American posing as a young Hispanic girl. So she's sort of Hispanic and sort of not, and we know how Hispanics occupy a really weird space between whites and "POCs".

A Hispanic American, or a white American posing as a Hispanic American? Why is she even doing that in the fist place? Has white genocide actually happened in this world?

All I know about Metal Gear is that it's pseudo-military claptrap where guards never notice the box has moved. It sounds like it makes Call of Duty look like Red Orchestra 2.

 

[8waifoofever8]

Stavun Onaryvarse.

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

A Hispanic American, or a white American posing as a Hispanic American? Why is she even doing that in the fist place? Has white genocide actually happened in this world?

All I know about Metal Gear is that it's pseudo-military claptrap where guards never notice the box has moved.

No, (presumably) white American posing as a young Hispanic girl in order to convince Big Boss to come to Costa Rica because she's a double agent working for Cypher, who hate him because their leader and Big Boss disagreed over what the Boss really wanted before she died. And there's something going on in Costa Rica that involved the Boss in some way.

I can't remember all the intricacies because even as a massive Metal Gear fan I thought Peace Walker's story was a bit clumsy, and it's been a while since I played it to boot.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

No, (presumably) white American posing as a young Hispanic girl in order to convince Big Boss to come to Costa Rica because she's a double agent working for Cypher, who hate him because their leader and Big Boss disagreed over what the Boss really wanted before she died. And there's something going on in Costa Rica that involved the Boss in some way.

I can't remember all the intricacies because even as a massive Metal Gear fan I thought Peace Walker's story was a bit clumsy, and it's been a while since I played it to boot.

Why couldn't they have just hired someone in Costa Rica to make the call? Or even a Hispanic American, for crying out loud?

:autism:, I guess.

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

Why couldn't they have just hired someone in Costa Rica to make the call? Or even a Hispanic American, for crying out loud?

:autism:, I guess.

I think it's because Cypher is a super-secret organization so they only sent members they trained specifically so no one would figure out who they are, and the people they trained are people they have under their control. Not to mention the constant presence of KGB and CIA (it's 1970s Costa Rica so the Cold War's a big factor) so they don't want to draw attention. Or something.

I think the answer's there somewhere in Peace Walker, but you'll have to go digging through the mountains of information the game has to find it (it's probably the most dense game in the series in that regard).

 

[Pointless Pedant]

I think it's because Cypher is a super-secret organization so they only sent members they trained specifically so no one would figure out who they are, and the people they trained are people they have under their control. Not to mention the constant presence of KGB and CIA (it's 1970s Costa Rica so the Cold War's a big factor) so they don't want to draw attention. Or something.

I think the answer's there somewhere in Peace Walker, but you'll have to go digging through the mountains of information the game has to find it (it's probably the most dense game in the series in that regard).

Costa Rica doesn't have an army and has had no serious unrest since the 1948 civil war. During the Cold War the nation was largely ignored by both sides and there were few secret agents of any sort around.

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

Costa Rica doesn't have an army and has had no serious unrest since the 1948 civil war. During the Cold War the nation was largely ignored by both sides and there were few secret agents of any sort around.

That's actually a major plot point that it doesn't have an army, the game actually goes into extensive history about it if you really want to learn about it. I will say the whole Cypher thing is the most poorly-explained plot point in Metal Gear as a whole considering it doesn't really come into play until the very end of the game.

Like I said, the answer's there, I'm just doing a piss-poor job of explaining it because I haven't played it since like 2015 so I barely remember a whole lot, plus it's the one I've played the least.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

That's actually a major plot point that it doesn't have an army, the game actually goes into extensive history about it if you really want to learn about it. I will say the whole Cypher thing is the most poorly-explained plot point in Metal Gear as a whole considering it doesn't really come into play until the very end of the game.

Like I said, the answer's there, I'm just doing a piss-poor job of explaining it because I haven't played it since like 2015 so I barely remember a whole lot, plus it's the one I've played the least.

Costa Rica doesn't have an army, but the US Army isn't very far away. I don't know what this Cypher organisation wanted to do, but they wouldn't have had a very easy time if the government had called for help.

 

[Closet Sorcerer]

Costa Rica doesn't have an army, but the US Army isn't very far away. I don't know what this Cypher organisation wanted to do, but they wouldn't have had a very easy time.

Hugeass conspiracy theory involving a secret cabal running the US and a lot of other people to lead thw world to a NWO where AIs and memes (not the 4chan kind) rule.

Kojima likes his plots way too complex and mind boggling.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Hugeass conspiracy theory involving a secret cabal running the US and a lot of other people to lead thw world to a NWO where AIs and memes (not the 4chan kind) rule.

Kojima likes his plots way too complex and mind boggling.

You had me until (not the 4chan kind). A game with Pepe as the US President could be fun.

I'd say conspiracy theories tend to be stupid rather than mind boggling. They're a way to blame some omnipotent cabal for everything that goes wrong in the world while also being the only man who's smart enough to see through them.

 

[Closet Sorcerer]

You had me until (not the 4chan kind). A game with Pepe as the US President could be fun.

I'd say conspiracy theories tend to be stupid rather than mind boggling. They're a way to blame some omnipotent cabal for everything that goes wrong in the world while also being the only man who's smart enough to see through them.

Kojima goes the "lots of people know about the conspiracy but nobody does anything because the world would fall apart without the conspiracy" road.

Back on topic, though, I didn't knew TV Tropes caught the Tumblr Fu util you guys started digging in to it. Shame.

 

[GethN7]

Costa Rica doesn't have an army and has had no serious unrest since the 1948 civil war. During the Cold War the nation was largely ignored by both sides and there were few secret agents of any sort around.

I'll clear it all up below.

Spoiler

In the MGS universe, Costa Rica is considered "neutral ground" in the Cold War officially, but unofficially, it was having this status abused by everyone involved to do all sort of nasty stuff under the radar.

The CIA was obviously building Metal Gear for US defense purposes. The KGB wanted to subvert the project to poison US relations in Latin America. The MSF was there to be a spanner in the works for everyone involved. Cipher was the true force behind the scenes manipulating events for their own reasons and using all the above to do it.

That's actually a major plot point that it doesn't have an army, the game actually goes into extensive history about it if you really want to learn about it. I will say the whole Cypher thing is the most poorly-explained plot point in Metal Gear as a whole considering it doesn't really come into play until the very end of the game.

Like I said, the answer's there, I'm just doing a piss-poor job of explaining it because I haven't played it since like 2015 so I barely remember a whole lot, plus it's the one I've played the least.

I'll clear this up too.

Spoiler

Cipher is the continuation of the Philosophers that had been pulling the strings behind the Cold War prior, composed of the guys who helped Big Boss out in 1964, headed by Major Zero. Big Boss was an initial member, but quit very soon afterwards when he was cloned without his consent by Zero, and Cipher was Zero's organization formed after MGS3 to carry on his interpretation of The Boss wanted the world to be.

The interquel game Portable Ops explains how Zero got the funding to get the organization off the ground, and how Big Boss was initially a member of them briefly, but aside from these plot points, Kojima has gone on record saying anything that contradicts other canon should be ignored.

By Peace Walker, Big Boss had basically been going around to various combat zones trying to set up his own mercenary outfit. Cipher had covertly been supporting the effort via the CIA and KGB's own plans in an attempt to get Big Boss to rejoin them, but if he didn't, they were essentially gonna blackmail him with the responsibility for triggering a nuclear war if he didn't.

Cipher would go on to eventually become what were called the Patriots in MGS2 onwards, and Cipher as an organization was effectively disbanded by MGSV The Phantom Pain, but the Patriot AI system they had developed should that happen had already gotten off the ground and essentially took their place since then.

Why couldn't they have just hired someone in Costa Rica to make the call? Or even a Hispanic American, for crying out loud?

:autism:, I guess.

Actually, an explanation exists for this too.

Spoiler

Zero wanted an agent he basically knew like the back of his hand and whom he felt he could trust absolutely to do whatever he wanted, as explained in the additional tape logs from the true ending of MGSV TPP

That plan backfired in a way he never anticipated more or less by then, but not because Paz's cover was broken, at least not in the conventional sense.

/end MGS sperging

And now, to get back on topic, I recently had to do something drastic on All The Tropes to prevent idiots from ripping off TV Tropes and later whining "but why can't I?"

Now, there is a message in the bottom right of the screen that says the following on ATT Wikia:

"Do not copy any content from TV Tropes unless you are reposting only your own edits from there or can point to where you got permission to reproduce them. The mods will check to see if you plagiarized, it will be deleted if you did, and you will be banned if you do so."

I put it there so none of the people who kept shamelessly plagiarizing can't say they weren't warned to knock it off, and I even informed the mods at TV Tropes I did that because I take our alliance against plagiarists and trolls pretty seriously, for which they appreciated, and I informed them that if I really had to, I would put a notice people had to click on the edit screen itself where they basically had to agree not to be a thief or else they'd be insta-banned before they could make an edit.

tl;dr: To prevent very stupid people from causing dumb plagiarism drama, I had to make it where they can't claim ignorance because way too many people are too stupid to read our own rules.

 

[ure_mum]

I've been watching Star Trek TNG and DS9 for the first time and I use TVT's recaps to just check stuff I might have missed from the episodes (and trivia). One thing I've noticed is some guy named SF Debris being mentioned all the time, but it became clear he was some ST reviewer so I didn't care too much. But I finally got curious and checked his TVT page. You know, maybe this guy is in reality a good reviewer, I haven't checked his stuff, but if these are examples on the type of embarrassing commentary he offers, then I don't think TVT's community (who are the ones adding quotes from these reviewers to the tropes!) has any right talking about how TV-shows should be written.

Spoiler: Really hates a character who was in only in one season of the show

Spoiler: Really hates a character who was in only a handful of episodes (as a character)

Really insightful, biting commentary.

It also made me wonder why TVT fellates movie and tv-show reviewers so much? TGWTG and co. have been talked about many times, also that mr Enter guy and several others. They're not even good reviewers (mainly guys you found funny when you were 13 years old) so why does TVT bring them up so much? You don't really need to add to a trope shit some screaming guy in his late 20s/early 30s thought, especially when their own pages are rarely critical about them.

 

[AnOminous]

It also made me wonder why TVT fellates movie and tv-show reviewers so much? TGWTG and co. have been talked about many times, also that mr Enter guy and several others. They're not even good reviewers (mainly guys you found funny when you were 13 years old) so why does TVT bring them up so much? You don't really need to add to a trope shit some screaming guy in his late 20s/early 30s thought, especially when their own pages are rarely critical about them.

Because they're all buddies of these guys they're fellating.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

It also made me wonder why TVT fellates movie and tv-show reviewers so much? TGWTG and co. have been talked about many times, also that mr Enter guy and several others. They're not even good reviewers (mainly guys you found funny when you were 13 years old) so why does TVT bring them up so much? You don't really need to add to a trope shit some screaming guy in his late 20s/early 30s thought, especially when their own pages are rarely critical about them.

Because they're all buddies of these guys they're fellating.

TGWTG reviewers used to reference TV Tropes in their videos, and, in exchange, Tropers would name articles "Big Lipped Alligator Moment" after something from a TGWTG video. It's a case of autistic symbiosis.

 

[friedshrimp]

Lindsay was the one that started it all, I think. She used terms like "Big Lipped Alligator Moments" and "Woobie" before anyone.