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[NerdShamer]

More comments about the film from Tropers.

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Why not just archive the thread before people start getting censored? Although it looks like there might be an fight on the horizon, though.

And I found an thread that you might enjoy.

 

[Jason Wynn]

2001: A Space Odyssey is wayciss and hates womyn!!!

 

[Lone Star]

2001: A Space Odyssey is wayciss and hates womyn!!!

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"Difficult" huh? And who would stop a director from doing such a thing?

 

[Oats12345]

2001: A Space Odyssey is wayciss and hates womyn!!!

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It's a good classic movie so it sucks for not being PC

 

[LightDragonman1]

Such is the belief of the Tropers after all.

That thread NerdShamer linked as them claiming that oversaturation of representation will never become a thing after all, while also saying that the idea of balance of it in the past is really an imbalance, and using older characters to shoehorn in LGBT stuff makes sense somehow. Not sure if they are simply naive or just lacking in self-awareness.

More from the Top Gun Maverick thread btw (with Fighteer still championing the idea that the film is only meant for non-thinking).

Think we can name any examples of woke films that were failures? Because they can't think of any, nor do they think right-wing media can.

Also, follow up comments to that review of the film from user Immortal Bear.

 

[Flexo]

So they don't seem to relaize that not everyone who likes or saw the movie are right wing?

Also I love how they assume people who hate wokness also hate black or Hispanic characters in general.

Like just maybe the characters weren't written like shit and are actually good written characters that see them like real people and not soapboxes.

They just prove the old cliche that the Right knows about the Left by listening to what they say, while what the Left knows about the Right is by listening to other Leftists.

Oh Moses Ingram. I didn't relaize their was drama there. Mostly because I been staying out of that staff lately to keep my self sane. From what I seen so far in Kenobi. She's a ok actress but not an amazing actress. Like the show weren't be any different if she wasn't in it. I'm not surprised she's hostel towards the fans. I notice most young black actors are encourage to insult the fans of certain franchises.

I agree it's wrong to call the fans racist when prior to wokness taking over entertainment. There were no problems with the previous black actors as everyone loved them and their characters. Darth Vader well beloved and James Earl Jones voice is part of that. Most star wars nerds geek out about the guy.

As with so much other Disney canon, you start to wonder if "order 66" was actually "kill only 66 jedi" because we keep finding so many survivors.

 

[Oats12345]

They just prove the old cliche that the Right knows about the Left by listening to what they say, while what the Left knows about the Right is by listening to other Leftists.

As with so much other Disney canon, you start to wonder if "order 66" was actually "kill only 66 jedi" because we keep finding so many survivors.

To be fair there were alot of of survivors of order 66 in Legends too.

 

[Odie Esty]

there's like 4 characters in 2001 to begin with, 5 if you count the monkey. There's the astronauts, who are all interchangable, there's Ha, and then there's a loose conglomerate of professionals who sit around and dully talk about the most important discovery in human history. it's part of the reason Hal goes bonkers. He's the most impressive creation humanity has ever produced, a supreme intelligence, and he's stuck with these boring losers constantly. imagine meeting god and all he wants to talk about is the weather and what was on TV last night, it'd ruin you. This is part of a greater thread in scifi of machines having more humanity than humans themselves. it's a theme that predates 2001 in works like I, Robot, would be continued into classics like Blade Runner, and can be found today in stuff like nier Atuomata. Star Trek got like half of it's episodes out of questioning whether or not robots were sentient only to always arrive at the answer 'yeah no shit dipstick'. All the cast being generic brown haired white dudes is part of the point. Humanity has become homogenized and lost all meaningful individuality. Even if you swapped one of them with a woman or a black dude they'd still be a wet blanket.

 

[Flexo]

To be fair there were alot of of survivors of order 66 in Legends too.

Yeah but you could go a whole story without running into them. There was also a difference between pre and post prequel legends.

there's like 4 characters in 2001 to begin with, 5 if you count the monkey. There's the astronauts, who are all interchangable, there's Ha, and then there's a loose conglomerate of professionals who sit around and dully talk about the most important discovery in human history. it's part of the reason Hal goes bonkers. He's the most impressive creation humanity has ever produced, a supreme intelligence, and he's stuck with these boring losers constantly. imagine meeting god and all he wants to talk about is the weather and what was on TV last night, it'd ruin you. This is part of a greater thread in scifi of machines having more humanity than humans themselves. it's a theme that predates 2001 in works like I, Robot, would be continued into classics like Blade Runner, and can be found today in stuff like nier Atuomata. Star Trek got like half of it's episodes out of questioning whether or not robots were sentient only to always arrive at the answer 'yeah no shit dipstick'. All the cast being generic brown haired white dudes is part of the point. Humanity has become homogenized and lost all meaningful individuality. Even if you swapped one of them with a woman or a black dude they'd still be a wet blanket.

Robots killing humans? Preposterous! Flexo is your friend...

 

[Oats12345]

Yeah but you could go a whole story without running into them. There was also a difference between pre and post prequel legends.

Robots killing humans? Preposterous! Flexo is your friend...

True. But even after prequel trilogy you tended to see alot of major jedi characters form the Clone Wars comics coming out alive.

Are you upset that we have the wookie youngling in bad butch. I don't mind to be honest. We need more wookie representation in star wars in my opinion.

 

[AnOminous]

True. But even after prequel trilogy you tended to see alot of major jedi characters form the Clone Wars comics coming out alive.

Are you upset that we have the wookie youngling in bad butch. I don't mind to be honest. We need more wookie representation in star wars in my opinion.

Just no more Ewoks please, fuck those goddamn things.

 

[Flexo]

True. But even after prequel trilogy you tended to see alot of major jedi characters form the Clone Wars comics coming out alive.

Are you upset that we have the wookie youngling in bad butch. I don't mind to be honest. We need more wookie representation in star wars in my opinion.

Wookies are dope. No issue with wookies. I hate the inquisitors.

Just no more Ewoks please, fuck those goddamn things.

Unless they're lumberjacks.

 

[Oats12345]

Wookies are dope. No issue with wookies. I hate the inquisitors.

Unless they're lumberjacks.

Oh ok. I like the Inquisitors. I don't mind if you don't that's your opinion and I respect it. I'm just happy we can agree more wookies mean more fun.

Seriously lefties complain about wanting more black people in stars wars. When they miss the point of star wars their so many different species with histories and cultures in star wars. Aliens that I feel we should see more of and yet you got people saying "I want more black or gays in star wars". Missing the point. hence I want more wookie represention because wookies are cool.

 

[Flexo]

Oh ok. I like the Inquisitors. I don't mind if you don't that's your opinion and I respect it. I'm just happy we can agree more wookies mean more fun.

Seriously lefties complain about wanting more black people in stars wars. When they miss the point of star wars their so many different species with histories and cultures in star wars. Aliens that I feel we should see more of and yet you got people saying "I want more black or gays in star wars". Missing the point. hence I want more wookie represention because wookies are cool.

Hey one thing I will absolutely give the prequels which the sequels have sucked at is that we got a lot more aliens and robots in the former.

Like don't be bragging to me how "diverse" Rogue One is when I can still see that 5 out of 6 new stars are humans.

 

[Oats12345]

Hey one thing I will absolutely give the prequels which the sequels have sucked at is that we got a lot more aliens and robots in the former.

Like don't be bragging to me how "diverse" Rogue One is when I can still see that 5 out of 6 new stars are humans.

Exactly despite all of the prequel faults. They had a ton of aliens and drioids. around half the jedi introduced were aliens as well. At least Lucas had that in mind when doing the prequels.

Disney canon doesn't seem to understand that star wars is more diverse than just humans with different skin tones. Like we're is my twel'lekk main lead. Fuck humans wheres my twel'lekk and Zabrak love sub plot. Instead I just hear about diverse in look at all these" blacks and Asians in star wars".

 

[NerdShamer]

Think we can name any examples of woke films that were failures?

Both of the Ghostbusters movies (although the lesbian dream team carried their own weight), Captain Marvel, Cuties (for an even grosser reason), people are getting riled up over that upcoming cartoon on Netflix, ValiDate is an unreleased VN that's doomed to be an failure. Every mainline Star Wars movie, Rouge One is an bit of an edge case. Star Wars: Squadron had an nonbinary alien girl and an gay Imperial pilot with an husband; the latter's case was just an throwaway line and the former was mostly done through some promotional info and her helmet colors.

There's more, but I really don't watch that kind of shit.

That thread NerdShamer linked as them claiming that oversaturation of representation will never become a thing after all, while also saying that the idea of balance of it in the past is really an imbalance, and using older characters to shoehorn in LGBT stuff makes sense somehow. Not sure if they are simply naive or just lacking in self-awareness.

Well, it's still active; it's just that nobody wants it to exists. I was surprised that it was around for two hours when I archived it, given the mods' track record.

 

[LightDragonman1]

They’d probably counter by saying that Captain Marvel made over a billion dollars, along with the Star Wars films still being commercially successful.

 

[Valkorion]

Both of the Ghostbusters movies (although the lesbian dream team carried their own weight), Captain Marvel, Cuties (for an even grosser reason), people are getting riled up over that upcoming cartoon on Netflix, ValiDate is an unreleased VN that's doomed to be an failure. Every mainline Star Wars movie, Rouge One is an bit of an edge case. Star Wars: Squadron had an nonbinary alien girl and an gay Imperial pilot with an husband; the latter's case was just an throwaway line and the former was mostly done through some promotional info and her helmet colors.

Solo: A Star Wars Story did quite poorly at the box office if I remember correctly. That film was also woke as fuck with that feminist droid or whatever that thing was.

 

[Flaming Insignias]

Solo: A Star Wars Story did quite poorly at the box office if I remember correctly. That film was also woke as fuck with that feminist droid or whatever that thing was.

I remember them declaring Lando, lady's man extraordinaire, was pansexual, the casting was generally iffy, the original script getting thrown out and revised multiple times through Kennedy's meddling, and the droid you were talking about (Honest-to-God named L3-37 like Leetspeak) was a "droid's right revolutionary," that was trying to get machines to revolt. It was dead in the water.

 

[Valkorion]

I remember them declaring Lando, lady's man extraordinaire, was pansexual, the casting was generally iffy, the original script getting thrown out and revised multiple times through Kennedy's meddling, and the droid you were talking about (Honest-to-God named L3-37 like Leetspeak) was a "droid's right revolutionary," that was trying to get machines to revolt. It was dead in the water.

You just made me remember how bad that movie was. Lando was genuinely in love with that fucking droid, which made no sense for the character, and the "droids' rights" thing was a dead ringer for woke causes. Also, Han's romance with Emilia Clarke's character was completely unneccessary due to the foregone conclusion of him ending up with Leia. There is a reason why I only watched that movie once and never touched it again.