Thank you for proving my point about paranoia.You got so angry about my dismissive attitude towards christian movies.I didnt mention the Passion of the Christ because its a statistical anomaly.Yes one of the biggest christian movies but a statistical anomaly.And the Sweden example I gave it as an example of the difference between cultures.American gun culture is far more paranoid than the typical european gun culture.Contrary to what some americans might think guns are not unheard of in Europe.But europeans rarely emphasise the lets kill people atittude.When I said americans are more willing to shoot i wasn't talking about shooting animals i was talking about shooting people.Can't see why you would have missed that part.There's no shame in admitting it.You know how often i see persons from the Midwest mention as a joke their willingness to use deadly force against other humans?Way too often.And for someone from outside that's not something to respect.A normal person would react with a 'these people are weird'.You don't start a relationship by emphasising the shoot first thing.Because a regular person will say 'what if i get into an argument with them and they pull out a gun because they got angry?'.It happens and its possible.A responsible gun owner actually has to de-emphasise the shooting people part because others will genuinely get scared and they'll react by ostracising that person.Americans are far more violence prone than europeans.Its a cultural thing.You gotta admit crime rates in the US are far higher even in small town communities violence is more common.The willingness to shoot people is higher in the US its kind of hard to deny it.Yes europeans in the past were a lot more willing to kill and racked up some huge body counts genuinely impressive but those days for the time being have ended.Europeans racked up such huge body counts they got tired of killing honestly.Americans though not so much.Not all but there is a strong undercurrent of that.And I don't think christianity can claim to represent the moral values of America.It has an influence but lets be honest here the Constitution represents the basis.And the Constitution is secular very secular.America is not a christian nation its a nation with a majority christian community but its values are not christian.No culture is perfect and being willing to admit to your imperfections and maybe even your potential faults is the first step towards healing.Getting angry every time someone says 'you people' actually says a lot.Unfortunately in the US saying 'you people' is among the most offensive things and sadly has pretty much shut down any debate about the pros and cons of certain attitudes.Its become one of those block elements no one is willing to admit that maybe they're in the wrong.But that's impossible since no at all can be in the right.And again that's another fault.Emphasising the 'I'm right because I say so' attitude is another mistake of the system.The system in the US has become highly defensive ever since 9/11 especially.Highly abrasive honestly.It emphasises a conflict based attitude in which criticism is bad no matter what.Although it does make cultural sense.A society which fears attack will almost always shut down debates for fear of losing the war.Everybody gets so angry when someone says 'you people' that no one stops to say 'but why would they call us like that?' just because 'they're assholes'?Or maybe they noticed something we didn't?That those are the only films you can name proves how little of the culture you're aware of. I mean you could start with one of the biggest blockbusters of all time - Passion of the Christ. You have classic plays like Jesus Christ, Superstar. Controversial films like the Last Temptation of Christ. Just plain classics like Ben-Hur or the Greatest Story every Told. Have you even heard of Risen?
I never even said it was unappealing. I outright said "Plenty of Christians just like it because it's a pretty badass and fun film." Please point to the words in that quote which say anything about it being unappealing.
Your fault is the assumption of why it's appealing to people. Like some alien looking at humans and declaring, "Oh they must like steak because of it's sweet, sweet taste." No, candy and ice cream are enjoyed for their sweetness - steak is enjoyed for a different tastes.
Neither can you. And I bet I can speak for a whole lot more of them than you can. Have you even bothered looking at any purported Christian reviewers just to check their reactions to stuff? Ever seen: "Oh I love this movie so much because the protagonist is such a kick-ass Jesus" written in a review?
Seriously, are you capable of hitting the space bar after a '.' ? Anyway, nobody is denying that hollywood stopped producing historical epics, or explicitly religious films. Haven't seen any sign of hollywood being that religious since.... well pretty much the 50s.
What happened to "can't honestly state to speak for every Christian in america"? Don't recall you being elected Pope or anything.
Yeah, I've had neighbors attacked by animals. Can't imagine why they want to own guns. And that's not even a veiled reference to the riots, I mean real, ACTUAL animals have attacked them. Or their pets.
There's other lives and considerations outside your tiny little bubble. Maybe step outside it once in awhile and check the reality rather than leaping to conclusions.
Yeah I'd look up what the sweedish box office numbers are for movies but... nobody seems to care.
yeah that's why Superman in his film died and came back to life--
Oh wait.
Don't get me wrong, I facepalmed at Zack Snyder's clumsy hamfisted attempt at symbolism*, but if that's all it takes for you to go "hur dur, it's jesus!" then you're a worse autist than any of the TVTropes folks. (or possibly a baby - that would explain the lack of a spacebar) There was literally nothing else Jesus like about supes in that film. He doesn't even die or come back to life until Justice League - oh yeah, which was a flop.
Here, let me help you out: A society's religion is a sort order of that society's moral values. The venerated figures of that religion will be those who best embody those moral values. THEREFORE if that society makes a story about heroic, laudable figures, those figures are going to trend towards similarities with the venerated religious figures.
I mean, by your standards, I could go on and on about the Jesus imagery with films like "Kick" or "Baahubali" - which are from Bollywood. That is India. Or Anime (and I don't mean the obvious stuff like NGE) - which is from Japan. Neither nation which is known to have massive Christian populations, especially in their film industries. Try harder n00b.
*Zack should have consulted an actual priest for what they might say to superman since the guy in the film sounded more like a priest of the church of Oprah than any actual Christian denomination.
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