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Dudeofteenage said:
Yeah, "cutting foreign aid" is the rhetoric of somebody who cares largely about being popular with voters, not saving money. It's like a management consultant promising he's going to save a business' bottom line by cutting back on custom mousepads. And that, as you say, is before we get into the stupidity of promising to cut foreign aid and at the same time fully support Israel.
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I think only Rand Paul supports a reduction in foreign aid.

I believe foreign aid is terrible and destructive. It's not charity. It's supporting aristocrats, generals, politicians, and dictators so that they can maintain their grip on power, regardless how unpopular they are. Best case scenario, it's infringing on the people's right of self-determination. Worst case scenario, the revolution fires anyway and ends up being 10 times worse than it had to be because the pressure was unnaturally forced to build for such a long time. (When you delay a revolution, it radicalizes.)
 
KatsuKitty said:
I've never been an unironic, serious Trump supporter. But this isn't a joke anymore; Trump is scaring me. His rhethoric is increasingly bombastic and most importantly, divisive. And anyone who knows anything about history knows this is bad. The notion that a candidate can demand ordinary American citizens of a specific background register for a "list" and retain frontrunner status for the GOP is horrifying. This is the kind of rhethoric that started internment of Japanese-Americans during WW2, all the way to the Holocaust in Germany.

You may not like Islam; I certainly don't. That's why you need to understand why Trump's demand for a "Muslim Registry" should instead be seen as a demand for a registry of any kind, and why this is so terrifying. Trump is pandering to an angry majority when he says this. There's nothing to say he won't come for you after he makes all the Muslims sign up, much less what he's going to do with this information. Or what he can do with such a list. There can be a Mexican List, a Black List, I would say it's most likely he'd make the Gay List. Anyone the angry-redneck-powered GOP doesn't like stands their own chance of being targeted for a "list". Are you ready to sign up for who you are or what you believe in?

I have the resources to get the fuck out of here if the shit hits the fan and I become one of the GOP's shitlisted minorities, for whatever I am or believe in. But many, if not most people, don't. If you've been on the fence about Trump, it's time to hop off onto the opposing side after his calls for a Muslim registry. You are already witnessing a dark new turn in American politics and the heralding of an era of persecution and misery.

The writing has been on the wall since the signing of the Patriot Act and the revelations of parallel construction. American civil liberties are now beginning to be unabashedly eroded, 30s European-style. Even if Trump doesn't retain his lead and win, the fact he's been able to grow in popularity after saying such shocking things says a lot about how dangerous my country is becoming. It's not an exaggeration to say that we are headed in the direction of an ultranationalist Christian dictatorship; people have lost their civil liberties on-by-one, people are being convicted and spied upon without due process, and registries for innocent groups are now a popular political platform. All by popular request, the hallmark of ultranationalism.

The writing's on the wall for an atheistic gay weirdo like me, and I don't think I'm nuts for inferring that from calls to make a Muslim registry. People like Albert Einstein knew when to get the fuck out. I'm really now beginning to make plans to move abroad. Perhaps @Null isn't so crazy for going globetrotting himself.
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Trump never said that. The media made it up. www.snopes.com/donald-trump-muslims-id/

Trump talked about having a terrorist watch list and surveillance, like Bush's and Obama's program. At least Trump is honest. Bush and Obama tried to keep it a secret.

People freaked out about Bush and Obama being fascist dictators too.
 
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PeteyCoffee said:
Trump never said that. The media made it up. www.snopes.com/donald-trump-muslims-id/

Trump talked about having a terrorist watch list and surveillance, like Bush's and Obama's program. At least Trump is honest. Bush and Obama tried to keep it a secret.

People freaked out about Bush and Obama being fascist dictators too.
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Trump is the king of plausible deniability. At no point did he explicitly deplore the very notion of a registry; all his responses were vague. He's been pressed on this issue, as your article cites, and never was the answer a clear and resounding "No".

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ld-trumps-comments-database-american-muslims/

After going through all of his comments from this past weekend, it seems that Trump definitely wants a database of Syrian refugees, and he hasn’t ruled out the possibility of a database for all Muslims -- though he isn’t actively calling for the latter. And we’ll warn you now that many of Trump’s comments strike us as contradictory or confusing.
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KatsuKitty said:
Trump is the king of plausible deniability. At no point did he explicitly deplore the very notion of a registry; all his responses were vague. He's been pressed on this issue, as your article cites, and never was the answer a clear and resounding "No".

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ld-trumps-comments-database-american-muslims/
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You don't publicly humiliate your fans by tearing down what they have to say in front of the entire country. In Trump's position, I would have responded in the same way.

And Trump did clarify his position later on. Although I disagree with Trump when it comes to the NSA, I still like that Trump is honest about his position. All of the other candidates, Republican and Democrat, support the NSA but would never talk about it honestly. (Except maybe Rand Paul, although I suspect even he supports the NSA.)
 
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Trump cites bogus racist statistics from a literal neo-Nazi.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/tha...ites-isnt-just-false-its-neo-nazi-propaganda/

Blogger Charles Johnson, of Little Green Footballs, was unable to determine its source through a Google Image search or tineye.com — but he was able to find the earliest tweet using the graphic.

pic.twitter.com/vGXcO5xCgk

— Non Dildo'd Goyim (@CheesedBrit) November 22, 2015

The account’s avatar is a modified swastika used as the symbol of the neo-Nazi German Faith Movement, and the account profile expresses admiration for Adolf Hitler: “A detester of any kind of sick perverted dildo waving marxism and liberalism,we Should have listened to the Austrian chap with the little moustache.”
 
PeteyCoffee said:
You don't publicly humiliate your fans by tearing down what they have to say in front of the entire country. In Trump's position, I would have responded in the same way.

And Trump did clarify his position later on. Although I disagree with Trump when it comes to the NSA, I still like that Trump is honest about his position. All of the other candidates, Republican and Democrat, support the NSA but would never talk about it honestly. (Except maybe Rand Paul, although I suspect even he supports the NSA.)
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With such brazen cynicism and moral relaitvism, I can't say Trump wouldn't be the President you deserve.

Trouble is, he's be my President too. And I'm not gonna overlook that the one thing a politician can never change is their personality.
 
AnOminous said:
Trump cites bogus racist statistics from a literal neo-Nazi.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/tha...ites-isnt-just-false-its-neo-nazi-propaganda/

Blogger Charles Johnson, of Little Green Footballs, was unable to determine its source through a Google Image search or tineye.com — but he was able to find the earliest tweet using the graphic.

pic.twitter.com/vGXcO5xCgk

— Non Dildo'd Goyim (@CheesedBrit) November 22, 2015

The account’s avatar is a modified swastika used as the symbol of the neo-Nazi German Faith Movement, and the account profile expresses admiration for Adolf Hitler: “A detester of any kind of sick perverted dildo waving marxism and liberalism,we Should have listened to the Austrian chap with the little moustache.”
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He just lost my spite vote.
 
PeteyCoffee said:
You don't publicly humiliate your fans by tearing down what they have to say in front of the entire country.
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If your fans are the kind of people who will be humiliated by your saying you don't favour registering Muslims, you may have bigger problems than disappointing them. (For example... not disappointing them)
 
AnOminous said:
Trump cites bogus racist statistics from a literal neo-Nazi.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/that-racist-trump-tweet-about-blacks-killing-whites-isnt-just-false-its-neo-nazi-propaganda/

Blogger Charles Johnson, of Little Green Footballs, was unable to determine its source through a Google Image search or tineye.com — but he was able to find the earliest tweet using the graphic.

pic.twitter.com/vGXcO5xCgk

— Non Dildo'd Goyim (@CheesedBrit) November 22, 2015

The account’s avatar is a modified swastika used as the symbol of the neo-Nazi German Faith Movement, and the account profile expresses admiration for Adolf Hitler: “A detester of any kind of sick perverted dildo waving marxism and liberalism,we Should have listened to the Austrian chap with the little moustache.”
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That's another thing I love about Trump - his shitposting and retweeting random bullshit without a second's thought. He's like us.
*Asterisk* said:
With such brazen cynicism and moral relaitvism, I can't say Trump wouldn't be the President you deserve.

Trouble is, he's be my President too. And I'm not gonna overlook that the one thing a politician can never change is their personality.
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That's the inequity of a system where 50% of people are given the right to make decisions on behalf of the other 50%. I feel personally that it's not right; for that reason I never have and likely never will vote. But we're not talking about morals here, we're talking about politics.

It is my opinion that if Trump succeeded in fixing the situation where megacorporations have a 0% tax rate and smaller companies have a 40% tax rate, many megacorporations would instantly lose the ability to effortlessly dominate their respective markets. As a result, plenty of new businesses and good jobs would be allowed to exist, wealth would be dispersed, and the economy would prosper.

Of course, this wouldn't fix every industry because there are a number of other serious problems. Here are my next top 3:
1. Patent trolling (or it's illegal to compete with the megacorporation or guild because they hold all the patents.)
2. Permit trolling (or the megacorporation's or guild's people are in charge of handing out permits and they refuse in order to maintain their market domination.)
3. Regulation trolling (or the megacorporation's or guild's people are in charge of overseeing industry regulations and they use that power in order to fine or shut down competitors.)
Dudeofteenage said:
If your fans are the kind of people who will be humiliated by your saying you don't favour registering Muslims, you may have bigger problems than disappointing them. (For example... not disappointing them)
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I don't think so. SJWs support Hillary and she seems to be doing pretty well for herself. I don't think it would benefit Hillary's campaign if she, say, called out that Nyberg pedo. SJWs would just turn on her, and no one else would care because to normal people it's a given that pedos are terrible. (Hell, if I were a public figure, I'd rather have xenophobic supporters than pedo apologist supporters...)

Let me say this a different way: any public figure is bound to have some insane or evil followers. Regardless, it's good policy to treat strangers well, no matter how insane or evil they might seem at first. Give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe don't put them down in front of millions of Americans.
 
KatsuKitty said:
Trump is the king of plausible deniability. At no point did he explicitly deplore the very notion of a registry; all his responses were vague. He's been pressed on this issue, as your article cites, and never was the answer a clear and resounding "No".

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ld-trumps-comments-database-american-muslims/
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I feel I did not respond fully to you before - I explained why Trump responded to the initial question the way he did, but not why he hasn't answered to any of these accusations since.

First of all, if it's a non-issue to Trump it makes sense he would have nothing to say about it. Second of all, answering everyone's dumb accusations would put Trump on the defensive and he likes being an offensive kind of guy. Third of all, responding would give publicity to the people accusing him of dumb shit.

Fourth, consider that reporters will sometimes try to lead people to say things which they can take out of context. Hell, as you've seen even refusing to answer a leading question can be taken out of context as, "Trump supports Muslim registry and eventual extermination." So refusing to respond to leading questions and accusations is actually a pretty good policy when it comes to minimizing the impact of corrupt bullshit.

If Trump actually answered the question or even responded to the accusation, they could have gone, "Trump is weak to Muslims. He plans to throw away Obama's terrorist registries because he says he doesn't care if hundreds of Americans die so long as all Muslims are treated fairly." I mean, that's nowhere near as much a stretch as extrapolating "we're going to exterminate the Muslims" from "we're going to look at a lot of options."

Say this happens to you: some reporter randomly accuses you of wanting to exterminate autists and tells you she expects you to speak about it at a press conference tomorrow. Do you do it? How do you respond? Wouldn't it be whiny, spergy, and frankly pathetic to go on Twitter and say, "I don't want to exterminate autistics. ;( ;( ;("
 
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OfflineCyberBully said:
Thoughts?
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I love a tard fight.

Also, it's barely even Godwining when you're talking about putting together lists of people based on their religion and rounding them up.

Needless to say, it's a stupid idea. You want investigations and enforcement focused on people connected to specific entities and organizations, not the general belief in some vague religion that isn't even controlled by anyone in particular. Obviously, this is going to end up focused on people who are mostly going to be Muslims, but that's not your point and it shouldn't be.

It's the kind of proposal that appeals to morons who have no idea how reality works.
 
Skeealator said:
A shitload of minorities *didn't* survive his immigration (emigration?) policies.
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Andrew Jackson didn't have nuclear weapons, either. Trump can't even handle Megan Kelly. Can you imagine him coming home after an argument at the table with Putin?
 
I am increasingly more and more afraid with every comment of his, and I find it terrifying that people are actually voting for him. I want to leave this country if he becomes president, but that's impossible for me at this time. Ugh, I'm just- I'm so scared...
Trickie said:
This thread is so much more fun to read now that I have this chrome extension.
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I'm using this, it'll make me feel better as I laugh at his stupidity.
 
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