💬 Off-Topic Transgender Legislation and Litigation

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"Used to be commonly accepted that sex is changeable"

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Lentil Soup said:
In turn, Mr. Strangio has shifted course, presenting a countervailing argument to the court of public opinion:


He has blamed the Skrmetti loss on The New York Times.


Mr. Strangio blamed the Times at a speaking engagement in Provincetown, Mass. He has blamed the Times in popular queer podcasts, pointing to what he said is the paper’s “role in the current, very successful anti-trans panic.” And even before Skrmetti was decided, Mr. Strangio laid the groundwork for this name-and-shame campaign by heaping blame on the Times in interviews for a buzzy new documentary, Heightened Scrutiny.
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What every one of these activists is failing to realize is that we, the general public, are not being gaslit by people in power. JK Rowling isn't changing anyone's mind about trans issues and neither is The New York Times. This is the reality of how the average anglosphere citizen feels about trans issues. It's cosmetic care for a first world problem, and while in a vacuum most of us are fine with "sane" adults seeking that "care" (relatively sane), kiddie sex changes and womens' spaces were never on the table. These topics were never even in the same room as the table. Each day these two fronts are unsuccessfully pressed is a day that the general public becomes more fatigued with these histrionic faggots, and at this point we're happy that there's chatter about insane asylums coming back. We do not want blood, but our grandfathers were definitely wise to strip them of voting rights and keep them out of the general public.

Trans issues (among other issues like race) have been used by the hedgefund class to keep us divided and distracted. The issue needs to be settled so we can move on to addressing wealth disparity, the unsustainable cost of living, and marching Epstein's buddies to the guillotine, and the reality is that we are willing to lock trannies back up in insane asylums if they continue to press for child castration and forced-coed spaces. Trump was reelected specifically because of this issue and we, the general public, are done fucking around with it. We're done with being told "it's not happening" and then hearing the sudden shrieking from trans activists when the-thing-that-never-happens is formally made illegal.
 
Not Dr. Evil said:
"wealth disparity" is not a real thing in that there is no good reason to think that there should be equal distribution among actual producers and couch potatoes.
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Rest assured, I am a capitalist. I am simply of the opinion that this game of Monopoly has ended and I'm chomping at the bit to start another game. But this is not the proper venue for this kind of debate.

I think we can both agree that skyrocketing home values, used car prices, rent, grocery prices (all tied to the devaluation of our dollar) is a much more pressing matter than whatever bullshit Strangio is trying to push through the SCOTUS next week/month/year, and that it's a good thing that she's sabotaging her own legal precedent.
 
The Morning Visitor said:
What every one of these activists is failing to realize is that we, the general public, are not being gaslit by people in power. JK Rowling isn't changing anyone's mind about trans issues and neither is The New York Times.
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Propaganda does play a role in shaping public opinion, but what even has Rowling done? She's funded some legal cases that were already going to happen and she's made some tweets. As worthy as those things are, I don't see how those things by themselves are going to make large swathes of otherwise friendly or neutral citizens suddenly start hating trannies. If a tranny found a magic lamp and wished that JK Rowling had never donated a dime to any feminist causes public opinion would have remained the same, some women would have been left high and dry and that's about it.

She's not canvassing or buying adverts or inserting any of her own agenda into the massive media franchise she owns.
 
The unstoppable troon L juggernaut that is the UK cannot stop winning.


Harriet Haynes is a troon that plays pool.

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Until recently he competed in various events organised by different groups until one - the English Blackball Pool Federation - changed its policies to real women only. Of course this upset him so he decided to sue the volunteer run organisation for offending his gender feels. His counsel is legal gigatroon Robin Moira White. Amusingly, Jane Russell also helped out. She's the lead KC for the Peggie/Fife tribunal and she keeps losing.

Today the ruling came in and he has lost bigly, and been ordered to pay costs. If you have the patience the ruling is well worth the read as the judge attempts to navigate the confused, contradictory bullshit that Haynes' team put forward.

The most significant part of this ruling is that its the first since the FWS/Supreme Court ruling that troons are men, and it had a direct impact on this case. Haynes was sueing for discrimination on the grounds of Gender Reassignment discrimination but because he's unambiguously a man (despite having a gender recognition certificate) and was banned the same as any other man would be, his claim failed. This also left all the arguments about whether men have an advantage at pool pointless, but because they'd put so much effort in the ruling still covers them, with the judge observing that even if the claim hadn't fallen at the first hurdle, he would have lost anyway.
 
Not Dr. Evil said:
"wealth disparity" is not a real thing in that there is no good reason to think that there should be equal distribution among actual producers and couch potatoes.
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Correct, but the problem is that in Western society the inequality in distribution goes the exact opposite way you'd expect, where we're paying minorities/ethnics tens or hundreds of thousands a year to sit on their asses and do nothing while white men have to kill themselves working 16 hours a day at three jobs to make ends meet.
 
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Ed Special said:
Correct, but the problem is that in Western society the inequality in distribution goes the exact opposite way you'd expect, where we're paying minorities/ethnics tens or hundreds of thousands a year to sit on their asses and do nothing while white men have to kill themselves working 16 hours a day at three jobs to make ends meet.
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The Morning Visitor said:
wealth disparity
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This thread is not the place for your lukewarm takes on how troons are ashkully a distraction from the real issue of wealth disparity.
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17 Decmocrat led states have asserted a constitutional right to troon out the kids.
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"illegal intimidation" lol, lmao even. These dumbfucks want to be oppressed so badly holy fuck; "what do you mean I can't give children dangerous and experimental plastic surgery and hormone replacement therapy???". I can't wait for the day that this retarded movement eats shit and every person who ever advocated for it will feel like the people who supported the idea of the lobotomy.
diroama said:
The most significant part of this ruling is that its the first since the FWS/Supreme Court ruling that troons are men, and it had a direct impact on this case.
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The movement is already faltering in the shithole troonland that is the UK? troons seriously burned through whatever patience people had left for them very quickly.
 
Not Dr. Evil said:
If by "real" you mean completely made up and fallacious with unsound assumtions and faulty reasoning you would be onto something.
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The troons rights movement is the result of the gay community becoming too accepting in the late 2000s and 2010s resulting in them (out of pity and guilt tripping) supporting it. The DNC of course picked this up to be contrarian and then astroturfed the fuck out of it and used it as an excuse to put more shit into the fraudulent dump that was USAID.
Not Dr. Evil said:
In any event, #WINNING
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When do we predict that this movement will for the most part cease to get any amount of support from the US government?
 
Not Dr. Evil said:
If by "real" you mean completely made up and fallacious with unsound assumtions and faulty reasoning you would be onto something.

In any event, #WINNING

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Wow 😍

how many minutes until the legal challenges though. Similar legislation is being challenged in Alberta based on constitutional freedoms — obviously differing jurisdiction so arguments also differ— by doctors who perform this monstrosity.
 
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The movement is already faltering in the shithole troonland that is the UK? troons seriously burned through whatever patience people had left for them very quickly.
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Troonland? The UK isn't called terf island for nothing. We're the proud epicentre of the anti trans movement.

Our own Cass review is cited by American politicians and the law here is that transwomen are men.
 
Surfin Terf said:
Propaganda does play a role in shaping public opinion, but what even has Rowling done? She's funded some legal cases that were already going to happen and she's made some tweets. As worthy as those things are, I don't see how those things by themselves are going to make large swathes of otherwise friendly or neutral citizens suddenly start hating trannies. If a tranny found a magic lamp and wished that JK Rowling had never donated a dime to any feminist causes public opinion would have remained the same, some women would have been left high and dry and that's about it.

She's not canvassing or buying adverts or inserting any of her own agenda into the massive media franchise she owns.
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If anything, Rowling expressed what most people actually thought of trannies the whole time out loud. Of course, the way trannies have tried to destroy her reputation for the most mid takes of them proved to many that “live and let live” does not work with troons. Their continued smear campaign and harassment only soured her opinion of them and made her stand her ground harder than ever. While Rowling gracefully dodges their attacks, troons repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

Even if it wasn’t JK Rowling, it would’ve been any other woman that had similar mid AF perspectives too. Troons are not only violent misogynists. They do a fantastic job creating their own misery, including birthing TERFs with their horrific behavior. The mass backlash was a long time coming.
 
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