💬 Off-Topic Tranny Biology - HRT Is Magic

[MerelyAPlateOfSpaghetti]

Eh, I've seen a handful of troons and pooners here and there that just end up looking like teenage boys or something but, I figure that's kind of just a consequence of fucking with your development when you're younger. Honestly, even that might just be coincidental and it's just a matter of genetics, self care, etc., with trooning probably having an otherwise minimal - if any - impact on aging, since I find that it's generally the more "fortunate" or "passing" ones that look at all younger. So, sure, technically there are some cases of that, I guess.

Though I shouldn't be reading so far into it because obviously, I don't think any of that is what this person had in mind when they implied that trooning in your 40s to 50s "de-ages" you somehow. If anything, with all of the surgeries trannies tend to pursue, it sort of reminds me of those people who get a bunch of cosmetic procedures thinking it'll make them more youthful and it just ends up making them look older lmao

How many of these troons do you think look younger than they actually are? But if you go from balding and gross to putting on makeup and a wig (still gross though), yeah you might look younger since "having hair" is a young privilege for many. HRT won't undo skin damage from the sun, or drinking excessively, or smoking too much, it won't undo stress aging, and it won't change your grey hair to black again.

MAYBE it might help your skin get more hydrated and more healthy looking, but that's maybe 5 years of difference. Not 20.

 

[neu]

How many of these troons do you think look younger than they actually are?

Yeah, none. There's a reason I described it as kind of limited to rare cases -- and, like I said, it could be entirely coincidental in those cases for all we know. I've definitely never seen it be the case for someone who's already aged like complete shit, that's for sure.

Also, I can never tell if the Benjamin Franklin looking guy in this photo's hairline is shopped or if it's actually that fucked but, either way it'll never not be funny.

 

[MerelyAPlateOfSpaghetti]

Yeah, none. There's a reason I described it as kind of limited to rare cases -- and, like I said, it could be entirely coincidental in those cases for all we know. I've definitely never seen it be the case for someone who's already aged like complete shit, that's for sure.

Also, I can never tell if the Benjamin Franklin looking guy in this photo's hairline is shopped or if it's actually that fucked but, either way it'll never not be funny.

That one is a shoop to make the conehead more cone headed, here's the original

 

[Steak Sandwich]

teenage boys or something

just speaking on the pooners, women are naturally more neotenous with their facial proportions so they will, even on testosterone, look younger.

 

[Albicilla]

This actually made me guffaw. Thanks. As IF. Every greasy, stanky troon I've had the displeasure of resting my eyes on has awful skin. And the surgical abuse they subject it to (facial "feminization") makes them look OLDER.

Estrogen and progesterone do increase the collagen and elastin in your skin, but the caveat being you can't expect the hormones to pick up the slack your lifestyle provides. So many transwomen that are sporting early wrinkles even while starting HRT in their late teens or early 20s are chain smoking and downing like 10 energy drinks a day. I've known one transwoman that doesn't abuse substances and they legit have amazing skin from the HRT. You are right though that the surgeries make them look older, most plastic surgery does if you're too young for it. There are also these strange groups of tight lines around the mouth when many transwomen smile or move their lips after certain FFS procedures that are off-putting (see: Taf Taj and Brianna Wu).

 

[Not Dr. Evil]

Troons are manslaining womanhood again.

 

[Izdaja Slika]

Troons are manslaining womanhood again.

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The absolute fucking malevolent thickness of dumbshits like this 'Dr Rachel Saunders' (whoever he is).

Rowling did not say or imply her chromosomes 'defined her as a person'. It also does not follow from anything she has ever said in this universe or any conceivable universe that 'bodily autonomy and free will ought be subsumed by society', espesha-fuckin-ly since she fucking specifically called out Afghanistan as a society that does do that to women.

Oh my god I don't believe in god or the devil but I believe in whatever fucking demon makes people this fucken stupid.

 

[MerelyAPlateOfSpaghetti]

The absolute fucking malevolent thickness of dumbshits like this 'Dr Rachel Saunders' (whoever he is).

Rowling did not say or imply her chromosomes 'defined her as a person'. It also does not follow from anything she has ever said in this universe or any conceivable universe that 'bodily autonomy and free will ought be subsumed by society', espesha-fuckin-ly since she fucking specifically called out Afghanistan as a society that does do that to women.

Oh my god I don't believe in god or the devil but I believe in whatever fucking demon makes people this fucken stupid.

You absolutely nailed it, it's clearly demonic. The fallback to "bodily autonomy and free will ought be subsumed by society" also indicates what the underlying issue with these people is - they refuse to let anyone else tell them what to do to a fanatical level that they give away that it's all about bodily autonomy and free will. They give away that they are CHOOSING TROONHOOD with this argument with J.K. Rowling where they are accusing her of CHOOSING WOMANHOOD. It's incredible how projected every single argument is with these people. And they somehow think they are intellectuals by chugging the soyence.

I feel like giving money to J.K. Rowling every time I see how based she is

 

[Albicilla]

You absolutely nailed it, it's clearly demonic. The fallback to "bodily autonomy and free will ought be subsumed by society" also indicates what the underlying issue with these people is - they refuse to let anyone else tell them what to do to a fanatical level that they give away that it's all about bodily autonomy and free will. They give away that they are CHOOSING TROONHOOD with this argument with J.K. Rowling where they are accusing her of CHOOSING WOMANHOOD. It's incredible how projected every single argument is with these people. And they somehow think they are intellectuals by chugging the soyence.

I feel like giving money to J.K. Rowling every time I see how based she is

Also, being categorised as a woman and having the autonomy and free will to do what you want with your body in the case of being trans aren't predicated on each other. They can still dress feminine and do feminising procedures without being considered women. Our sex is just a mundane fact that influences how we move through the world, not a character-defining trait even if does have a significant impact on our identity, because identity is actually something without, not within; you don't ultimately choose how you're perceived externally, and so you have to decide how much that external representation of you actually matters to you. You can negotiate it if you wish, but that's the extent of it. Also, why is their idea of how women ought be so archaic lmao

 

[MerelyAPlateOfSpaghetti]

you have to decide how much that external representation of you actually matters to you

This is an excellent point. It's the same reason why they try to flip the script and "misgender" someone who "misgenders" them, because that's a knife in who they believe they are and they think it will likewise be a knife in the chud's sense of identity.

What other people think about them is literally all they have, and when someone thinks "wrongly" about them they will never let it go. To the chud, what you think of them doesn't matter because they don't care. They haven't tied their sense of self to what other people treat them as. You call a chud gay, weird, hateful, the wrong gender, the wrong name, a nazi, no matter what you call them, it rolls off their back because they don't choose to gather up the attacks and remember them forever. Troons sponge up every single thing people call them and refuse to forget. They take offense as a first step and settle into the victim seat 15 minutes early.

Bottom line is don't give a shit about what other people say or think about you. All you can do is your best, which inevitably isn't good enough for everyone, and say fuck those who your best isn't good enough for. You'll be a lot happier in the long run.

 

[Candidate No 7]

The absolute fucking malevolent thickness of dumbshits like this 'Dr Rachel Saunders' (whoever he is).

Imagine the most grotesque piss-taking 40-something man invading women's sport you can think of. Got it?

No that's not grotesque enough.

Spoiler: Here he is.

Rowling seems to always have a reply-troon humiliating himself on everything she posts and he has been that for a few months that. Gets his arse handed to him every day, never learns.

 

[Not Dr. Evil]

There is no such thing as "kinds of women" Kermit.

 

[UncleTusky]

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So he 'considers himself' a woman, just like how an anorexic considers herself fat.

BRB going to invent the field of Affirming Liposuction (medical boards and malpractice lawyers stay away please and thank you).

 

[kiwi_kicker]

There is no such thing as "kinds of women" Kermit.

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It's like being "kind of pregnant"

 

[Jacques1194]

There are trannies in the replies to this that are actually defending John Money's experiment by saying that because a boy killed himself due to sexual abuse, grooming, etc that it proves gender identities exist.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

I haaaaaaate the tranny take on John Money. Because I completely understand their stupid interpretation: The mutilated, abused, groomed boy knew he was a boy despite all the lying and sexual abuse. This means "brain gender" exists. He knew he was a boy on the inside despite being a girl on the outside!

It's dumb because it ignores the obvious explanation. He was a boy the entire time. Putting a penis in a blender and wearing a dress doesn't make you a girl. He was never a girl. The John Money mad science experiment rests its "validity" entirely on the idea that trooning out works, that it truly transforms your outsides into the opposite sex. David never had a "brain that didn't match his body". He was a mutilated boy no matter what the AGP pervert did to him.

 

[Jacques1194]

I haaaaaaate the tranny take on John Money. Because I completely understand their stupid interpretation: The mutilated, abused, groomed boy knew he was a boy despite all the lying and sexual abuse. This means "brain gender" exists. He knew he was a boy on the inside despite being a girl on the outside!

It's dumb because it ignores the obvious explanation. He was a boy the entire time. Putting a penis in a blender and wearing a dress doesn't make you a girl. He was never a girl. The John Money mad science experiment rests its "validity" entirely on the idea that trooning out works, that it truly transforms your outsides into the opposite sex. David never had a "brain that didn't match his body". He was a mutilated boy no matter what the AGP pervert did to him.

I hate it because they avoid the fact that they killed themselves due to the sexual abuse, grooming, etc not because their "gender identity" didn't match their body. Even if they never killed themselves, are people suppose to ignore the sexual abuse that went on? Do TRAs not realize that this would make their movement look horrible by saying that "Yeah I know Money was a pedophile that groomed two young boys but both of them lived the rest of their lives as girls, so therefore it proves gender identity exists" Wouldn't this just prove that the two of them were groomed to being trans? What would have happened if they did identify as girls still but still killed themselves? What then? Regardless, I don't think two young boys killing themselves over this horrible experiment proves gender identity because its 2 people.

 

[MerelyAPlateOfSpaghetti]

I hate it because they avoid the fact that they killed themselves due to the sexual abuse, grooming, etc not because their "gender identity" didn't match their body. Even if they never killed themselves, are people suppose to ignore the sexual abuse that went on? Do TRAs not realize that this would make their movement look horrible by saying that "Yeah I know Money was a pedophile that groomed two young boys but both of them lived the rest of their lives as girls, so therefore it proves gender identity exists" Wouldn't this just prove that the two of them were groomed to being trans? What would have happened if they did identify as girls still but still killed themselves? What then? Regardless, I don't think two young boys killing themselves over this horrible experiment proves gender identity because its 2 people.

If I recall correctly, only one brother was forced to transition after a bad circumcision mistake. But Money made them do sexual shit with each other. The one intact brother went on to live a pretty normal life, but the mutilated brother killed himself after a divorce I believe, crushed under the weight of being a man but forced to live as a girl until he was about 14 and put his foot down.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

That there's an entire field of study basing itself on this mad science experiment is horrifying. All of the "conclusions" are lies. All of them. It's not even speculation or cope; we have video interviews with the victims. Money's "confirmed" hypothesis was that you could socialize a boy as a girl and therefore make him into one. This isn't just a bad interpretation, it's a lie. David knew he was a boy with no penis. Said so himself. Wanted to date women, but had problems doing so since he was dickless. Played a part in his suicide. Looks to me like "you can raise a boy as a girl and it makes him one" is, by that experiment's results, definitively not true.

"Brain and body are different"? Also not true. The entire field of tranny "science" is rooted in this hokum. But like Money, they want to believe it because it validates the claims formed by their mental illness. I really AM a boy/girl on the inside!

 

[Rolex]

There are trannies in the replies to this that are actually defending John Money's experiment by saying that because a boy killed himself due to sexual abuse, grooming, etc that it proves gender identities exist.
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John Money really only proved that some children are more malleable than others. There are very few, if any boys that will gravitate straight toward femininity under 100% normal family structures and roles. Maybe a tilt here or there but as long as parents know how to direct their children like, well, parents, then even those kids turn out fine.
There's a reason why there are way more teen pooners than troons, girls get hit harder with social and hormonal shifts and dive straight toward the first subculture they see online. Not to mention that many parents are cowards and are actually happy that their daughters are trying to be boys because it keeps the other boys away from them. As if having a beautiful daughter is a burden they're glad to shed.

Anyway, the VAST majority of trans individuals (especially post 1960ish, but probably post industrial revolution) are people who were susceptible to their own sexual immorality and warped by someone using that information.
Example being all of the random fat 50 year old trannies that are suddenly everywhere today. These people are porn addicts through and through, and have convinced themselves that their addiction is an expression of their inner woman, and their dopamine-fried depression is a result of not living as that woman. When in reality they just looked at so many dicks and women touching dicks that their mush brain mixed it all up and found a new route to pleasure-seek. This goes for younger people too though.

I say this as someone who at a young age was pretty heavily influenced and harmed by pornography. God's grace kept me from falling straight into real dangerous territory.