💬 Off-Topic Tranny Biology - HRT Is Magic

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Jacques1194 said:
Its because if being a woman is something that's subjective to the person's mind then how can woman be defined? The argument I hear from TRAs is that gender is a social construct. Such as girls liking pink but that doesn't define what being a woman is. Hence why they say that's a social construct. But if liking feminine things doesn't define what being a woman is, why do TRAs insist certain people and characters are trans if they like things that aren't associated with their gender? Too many times I've seen these people claim female character is "trans male coded" because she wears baggy clothing and has short hair. But wait? These same people claim that liking certain things doesn't define what being a man/woman is. Again, the entire ideology is contradicting and it baffles me how allowed it is because if this was any other movement, leftists would have called out said ideology.

Speaking of crazy, this user on Vexxed shared this Bluesky post where she was arguing with a TIM about what being a woman is. View attachment 7551113
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Reminds me of this post I made of twitter troons trying to define the word "woman"


It is so incoherent, the only real defense they have to this question is to try and argue against the abstract concept that words mean things.
 
Days without trannies comparing humans to other animals challenge impossible.
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Arguing that biology is more complicated with other animals is irrelevant with humans.
 
Jacques1194 said:
Days without trannies comparing humans to other animals challenge impossible.
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I love that their logical leap is "Shit in nature is complicated and not straight-forward, therefore you should ignore what we DO know about human sex and reproduction and assume it's more complicated than we know"
 
Pop science is a blessing and a curse. It's a blessing, because it simplifies concepts to something understandable and serves as an entry point for curious people to learn more about the world. It's a curse, because it's often reductive to the point of inaccuracy. Chromosomes are a mechanism to determine sex, but it's the genes on those chromosomes and how they get expressed that causes sexual differentiation, which is why you can have chromosomal variations in humans, for example, and usually still end up with someone being either male or female genetically except in very rare cases of true hermaphroditism (even then, they are usually more functionally one sex or the other if the sex organs even function). A lot of people don't realise this which allows them to say retarded shit like this lmao.

Different mechanisms will exist in different species for different things. There are single cell organisms that are actually quite complex and display cognition, because their single cell is partitioned into having multiple functions that allow them to display abilities and behaviours similar to ours, even if we're multicellular life forms that require many organs and a central nervous system to do similarly complex things. This doesn't mean that you can amputate a human of their central nervous system and have them function like said complex bacteria -- a human would be a rock in comparison to it -- just because another species displays certain higher order functions without one. Sex is the same.
 
The major problem with this delusion is the "report" relies on the US Trans Survery which purposefly excludes detransitioners.

A survery of "trans" people necessarly excludes people who are not trans anymore.

Thus, the "report" does not provide us with any meaningful information about detransitioners or their motivations.

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"The largest-ever survey of trans Americans reaffirms what the trans community has been saying for ages: trans people who go back to living as their sex assigned at birth do so because of transphobia, not because of doubts about gender or transition.


Approximately 92,329 binary and nonbinary trans Americans aged 16 and older — including 84,170 adults — participated in the 2022 U.S. Trans Survey (USTS), which was spearheaded by the trans rights organization Advocates for Trans Equality (A4TE). Researchers then used survey findings to compile a trans health report titled “Health and Wellbeing: Findings from the 2022 US Trans Survey.”

The Tiny Percentage of Trans People Who “Detransition” Largely Do So Because of Transphobia: Report
 
Not Dr. Evil said:
Sorry Eli,

But "biological male" and "lesbian" are mutually exclusive propositions.

A person born as a man can never be a lesbian.

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"Yes, we did it! We asked real life lesbians if they were transphobic, and they nearly all said they were not! Isn't that great? No we can't show you the cohort, it's full of trans lesbia-I MEAN REGULAR LESBIANS who DEFINITELY aren't trans women voting for their own inclusion. Definitely not that!"

Post-modernism at its finest.
 
Not Dr. Evil said:
Sorry Eli,

But "biological male" and "lesbian" are mutually exclusive propositions.

A person born as a man can never be a lesbian.

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I think it's their blatant entitlement that pisses me off the most. "you HAVE to suck my dick/lick my rotting crotch hole/lick my pussy/suck my rotdog because IMMA REAL WO/MAN AND YOU'D BE TRANSPHOBIC" like transphobic is their fucking killing curse that makes it not rape. Can't just leave the gays and lesbians alone, and feel entitled to their genitals. Thankfully the tides are turning and most of them are "t4t" "lesbians" and "gays" out of AGP desperation.
 
One of the few subreddits I like to hang out on is r/longevity. Nothing like waiting to see how close science is to curing the majority of diseases and giving us biological immortality without the cybermen fantasies of transhumanism idiots. Sometimes, trannies (usually transwomen) will pop in, believing that science can manage to make them live forever despite their constantly poisoning themselves and chopping their bits off.

One of these heckin' valid ladies popped in to give us all the key to avoiding any aging spurts: HRT. Now, I'm not going to say that HRT doesn't help slow the aging process, as it likely does. You know, if it's the hormone levels your biology is made for, not the ones trannies abuse.

However, this made me laugh. The cope is real. Have any of you Kiwis ever seen this phenomenon?

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Athena Save Us! said:
However, this made me laugh. The cope is real. Have any of you Kiwis ever seen this phenomenon?
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This actually made me guffaw. Thanks. As IF. Every greasy, stanky troon I've had the displeasure of resting my eyes on has awful skin. And the surgical abuse they subject it to (facial "feminization") makes them look OLDER.
 
Not Dr. Evil said:
Yet not BEFORE the 1930s because hormones did not exist before the the 1930s which disproves your entire "always been here" argument dumbass.

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It is very unlikely that these children - Mark and David Ferrow/Marjorie and Daisy Ferrow - were trans teens who got to transition in 1936. The first known case in the UK of someone attempting to help someone transition was Dr. George Lush Foss in 1939 in Bristol, who gave Michael Dillon testosterone tablets because, as you note, hormones had basically only just been discovered. The first trans phalloplasty in the UK was performed on Michael Dillon in 1946 (which involved falsifying paperwork). There certainly wasn't a hospital in London that would help teenagers transition through hormones and surgery. The first hospital for that in the UK was Charing Cross Hospital in the 1960s, and it wasn't until 1989 that a clinic opened for trans kids (the Tavistock).

That all being said, in the 1920s and 30s, the Charing Cross Hospital did have a specialist who focused on children with disorders of sexual development (a lot of trans clinics grew out of endocrinological specialists focusing on DSDs). Lennox Broster started his practice there in the late 1920s. Frequently it was misreported he was "helping people change sex", but more accurately it would be said he was performing (agreed to) "corrective surgery" and hormonal treatments on individuals with DSDs - for example the female athlete Mary Weston, who became Mark Weston and resulted in gender tests coming into women's sports.
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Mark's sister Hilda also became Harry through Lennox Broster's work, which does hint at some sort of congenital DSD along with Mark's own testimony. It's worth noting that in this era, it was a lot more common for doctors to "guess" wrong with ambiguous infants and particularly to recommend male infants be raised as girls if the genitals were very small. The idea that this could have been incorrect was not actually as controversial as you'd think.

Anyway, if we dig out the original version of the carefully cropped image from that magazine article;
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[Marjorie] noticed her voice was cracking just like those of the neighbor boys her age. It was getting deeper and losing much of its soprano quality... Marjorie was much disturbed. She left school and no amount of urging could persuade her to return.
Daisy's voice too, began doing the strange antics when she reached 13... so doctors were consulted.
Marjorie (was) sent to a London hospital to find out what was wrong... The doctors had discovered that a great biological change had been going on ever since her voice gave her such distress.

Finding another article:
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In those four years they had undergone a sex change... Mark was operated on at a London hospital to complete his transformation. David has yet to undergo an operation. According to medical records, the case of Mark and David is unique.

So very clearly both children began experiencing a male puberty when they came of age, at odds with the idea that they were girls. This was not because of them taking hormones, it was because they had a disorder of sexual development, which (probably) Lennox Broster treated with additional hormones and surgical interventions. So, not transgender, probably something like 5 alpha-reductase deficiency (like Caster Semenya) or PAIS.
 
Jacques1194 said:
Arguing that biology is more complicated with other animals is irrelevant with humans.
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Kinda. Animal studies can be useful as a proxy for human biology if the animal in question is similar to humans in some way.

Insects have no similarity to humans whatsoever. Don't trannies know what a mammal is? No wonder they can't even define “woman”, then.

#WhatIsAMammal
 
Athena Save Us! said:
However, this made me laugh. The cope is real. Have any of you Kiwis ever seen this phenomenon?
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Eh, I've seen a handful of troons and pooners here and there that just end up looking like teenage boys or something but, I figure that's kind of just a consequence of fucking with your development when you're younger. Honestly, even that might just be coincidental and it's just a matter of genetics, self care, etc., with trooning probably having an otherwise minimal - if any - impact on aging, since I find that it's generally the more "fortunate" or "passing" ones that look at all younger. So, sure, technically there are some cases of that, I guess.

Though I shouldn't be reading so far into it because obviously, I don't think any of that is what this person had in mind when they implied that trooning in your 40s to 50s "de-ages" you somehow. If anything, with all of the surgeries trannies tend to pursue, it sort of reminds me of those people who get a bunch of cosmetic procedures thinking it'll make them more youthful and it just ends up making them look older lmao
 
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