Hah that's funny. I remember years ago when the incel community was a new thing, I was reading their reddit, way back when reddit allowed any type of community to exist. But anyways, there was massive discussions about how angry it made them that prostitutes would openly have things on their ad like "No thugs no curry no latin". Even the women who fuck anyone for money basically just wanted white guys. Shit even most porn stars refused to work with anyone not white.
But alas now we're in a time period where even porn stars get cancelled for not wanting to fuck troons or pooners.
I don't know. In my mind I categorized pooners as three types. The sexually assaulted ones that uglify themselves to avoid future assaults, the doods that are afraid of becoming women so they want to be a cool boy, and the yaoi ones that want to be the yaoi prettyboy. Similar to how with trannies you have confused autists, confused fags, and men that have a crossdressing fetish gone insane.
You'd expect the pooners horny for korean prettyboys to try and emulate the look. Hell, in some manga you have girls that dress boyish and have teen girls (in the story) drool all over them.
An FFG is an escort frigate. He is Australian so unless he is much older than he seems he is claiming he got PTSD from the "time to do your job and maybe fire some missiles at goat farmers" bell.
It sounds like this:
Dunno what the fuck they are up to in Australia but their emergency rooms must be pretty wild.
Post egg crack, i have developed a pretty severe dysphoria for my facial hair to the point where whenever I am not clean shaven I feel like absolute shit most of the time. For the past week I've been shaving everyday with a razor but now I've started to develop razor bumps all over the sides of my face I have no idea how to remove them and no idea what to do to prevent them. If you guys have any suggestions please help!!
Also I am 18 and broke and have pretty dark skin so laser hair removal is not an option for me
Sister was raped, troon most affected. Two others join in and talk about being raped by trans women but they don’t like to share that story because it’ll stigmatize the community or something. These retards just created a cultish religion where sexual abuse is downplayed. Many such cases. View attachment 8027989 View attachment 8027990
Troons be like, “We mustn’t tell the normies about how often troons rape each other, in case it looks like troons rape each other!” I guarantee whichever tranny came up with that argument has raped so many trannies that his STIs have STIs.
Shit like this is why there’s a backlash. They’d rather pretend problems don’t exist than solve them. And then the problems come out and the troons close ranks because they think it’s better to tell an obvious lie than to admit that some troons, as in any group or demographic, are not good people.
I don't know. In my mind I categorized pooners as three types. The sexually assaulted ones that uglify themselves to avoid future assaults, the doods that are afraid of becoming women so they want to be a cool boy, and the yaoi ones that want to be the yaoi prettyboy. Similar to how with trannies you have confused autists, confused fags, and men that have a crossdressing fetish gone insane.
You'd expect the pooners horny for korean prettyboys to try and emulate the look. Hell, in some manga you have girls that dress boyish and have teen girls (in the story) drool all over them.
My pooner catagorization list is longer and less sympathetic:
Spoiled NLOGs who hate Mommy and Daddy and want to punish them
Loser NLOGs who simply hate themselves
Thirsty NLOGs seeking power, status and attention
Stupid NLOGs who think male lives are better or that living one is more suitable for them
Bored NLOGs who want to be abyss tourists
Self destructive NLOGs committing slow suicide
Hurt or frustrated NLOGs who want society to know and be horrified
Lesbian homophobes
Lesbian homophobic partner appeasers (Scott Newgent)
Brainwashed Tomboys
Lonely young autists groomed online or at public school by peers or adults
Older, unstable females having a midlife or a memento mori crisis
Latent, budding or full blown Psychos
I probably missed a few. And most of those can be combined in varying ways.
It just occurred to me that we're not seeing any 18-25 year old pooners who were transitioned young by their parents talking about the harsh treatment they're getting out in the real world now that they've left their affirming bubbles. Granted there are more boys that had that happen to them, from their parents taking action to prevent having a gay son later, but there must be a few girls out there too by now.
There doesn't seem to be an incel/transmaxxing equivalent either. Nobody's pooning out to increase their chances of getting laid.
Shit like this is why there’s a backlash. They’d rather pretend problems don’t exist than solve them. And then the problems come out and the troons close ranks because they think it’s better to tell an obvious lie than to admit that some troons, as in any group or demographic, are not good people.
Trannies have in group protection like any group (circling the wagons is a pretty common human impulse across the political spectrum), but with troons (and this is in particular to troons, not pooners) there is, to borrow a term from female kiwis, the moid problem. As everyone in this thread knows, men have a statistical distribution of behaviors that are sexually predatory at much higher rates than females do. Even with the spate of recent revelations of female teachers taking advantage of underage boys, the statistics are decidedly one sided in the distribution. This has both to do with tendencies innate to the masculine brain (in that those behaviors, even if they do not appear in all men, unquestionably relate to masculinized brains and tendencies) and to the simply physiological differences that let men enact their predatory desires in a way that females cannot, or at least not nearly with the same ease.
I've said this before, but if something like 5% of men are rapists, and a woman is interacting with something even like 15 different men in various capacities every day, the individual chance that any man she meets is a rapist is low, but after about a week there's a near certain chance she will have encountered at least one male rapist. Now obviously this is an oversimplification, encountering doesn't mean something happens, and this calculation is assuming new men each day, but the overall point is this; The total number of problem actors in a population can be overall low, but repeated interactions will eventually produce a problem guaranteed, and with men and women the danger is so immediately obvious that no society on earth has ever ignored it.
The issue is that admitting this dynamic with troons in particular would blow up the trans position, because if troons commit sexually predatory behavior even just at typical male rates (and we all know they actually seem to be worse), that alone would be enough of a reason justify excluding them from female spaces, because they asymmetry of danger is just so stark. In no other comparison is one side virtually guaranteed to be at a physical disadvantage to the other, other than maybe adults and children, which is exactly why the same logic of watchfulness and protection applies. The logic of including troons into female spaces only works the premise that troons are, in both tendencies and physical capabilities, equivalent to women and not men. Otherwise the only available argument is that, despite all evidence to the contrary, men are not much more likely to be a danger to women than vice versa. These are both impossible sells to the public. You can convince corporate HR people and NGO NPCs for a while, you can get the professional class liberal simps to pay lip service, since they already operate in an ideological bubble, but you cannot convince an entire population to ignore the obvious reality in front of them. If troons had been willing to accept that they would be treated "as women" in some, but not all, social situations, I don't think people would be nearly as militant in the backlash. Sure there would have been bullying and insulting, but anti-trans talking points are finding purchase specifically because they align more with material reality than the alternative presented.
She says she was 'forcibly outed' at work and it beggars belief that before the incident, she thought people did not know that she was a young woman. She cannot be serious. She cannot be serious. Also, she admits that she's been asked countless times 'what is Ren short for' and she is obviously annoyed by this. Did she not have the mildest intuition when she picked 'Ren' that people would likely recognise such a name as unusual and want to know more about it?
Also, towards the end of the video, her breakdown escalates and she is just screaming over and over 'why do people care so much about my dead name? why do you fucking care?' Heal thyself, physician. Why do you care so fucking much if people know it?
Also her atheism rant is another pooner wall of text. Ladies! Forming paragraphs will not cause you to run out of t-gel. Don't be afraid.
Sister was raped, troon most affected. Two others join in and talk about being raped by trans women but they don’t like to share that story because it’ll stigmatize the community or something. These retards just created a cultish religion where sexual abuse is downplayed. Many such cases.
This is a huge issue in their community. I remember a thread in r/ftm where many pooners discussed being raped or at least groped or had male troons say really creepy shit to them but not feeling like they could say anything due to “stigma”. Trans ideology is a way to for male sex predators to get everything they want on a silver platter.
. If troons had been willing to accept that they would be treated "as women" in some, but not all, social situations, I don't think people would be nearly as militant in the backlash. Sure there would have been bullying and insulting, but anti-trans talking points are finding purchase specifically because they align more with material reality than the alternative presented.
I’ve thought about this, too. I think of ladyboys in Thailand who are obviously different than troons as we understand in the west (and certainly aren’t perfect) but point to a way that troons could exist on the margin of society relatively peacefully. But instead they went about things the most retarded and hostile way possible.
Re: sexual assault. I can’t put it as high falutin as you but I know some theories (including according to RAINN which got in a lot of trouble for this but seem pretty sincere in wanting to help sexual assault victims surely) have said that most rape is committed by a relatively small number of predatory men committing a lot of assaults, not the average man committing a small number of rape/misunderstanding consent as a certain kind of relatively recent feminist discourse suggests. Anecdotally, this seems true. For instance many large social circles like networks of frats/sororities will have a creepy guy the girls warn each other about, etc. I think even Germaine Greer said something along these lines in an old interview.
Some troon wrote a ridiculous 24 page "peer-reviewed" academic article about "Puppygirls" back in May and it received some attention on Twatter. The paper basically argues for trans-speciesm.
One reason everyone's making a dozen different subdivisions to describe pooners, is because the MtFs were described pre-Eternal September and the FtMs after.
Pre-Internet ubiquity: "AGP/HSTS"
Able to see everyone's internal monologue play out in real time, with color photos:
I think pre 2015 (or so) a decent number of therapists used to do this. But then therapists who actually critically think and do their jobs just quietly stopped treating this population because anything but full affirmation turned into being reported to the licensing board for “conversion therapy”
The change began in 2012 when WPATH, the premier tranny pseudoscience organization that the other medical professional organizations get their tranny-related guidance from, released edition 7 of their Standards Of Care (SOC) with revisions to their transgender treatment guidelines.
This was the official rollout of the "affirming model", a shift away from psychologically screening prospective trannies before going ahead with hormones and surgery, to instead proceeding with immediate medical intervention without asking questions. It took some time for the new model to percolate around and disseminate, but by 2015 it had pretty well taken over.
As noted, it's now essentially impossible to find a therapist that's not going to just affirm everything, either because they're a true-believer or because their job is at risk if they don't. In this video, a former pooner and current lesbian describes how her local transgender group would band together to ruin therapists that were seen as not "affirming" enough (from 24:36-27:33):
If troons had been willing to accept that they would be treated "as women" in some, but not all, social situations, I don't think people would be nearly as militant in the backlash. Sure there would have been bullying and insulting, but anti-trans talking points are finding purchase specifically because they align more with material reality than the alternative presented.
Fucking this. I have argued this for so long. Go back just fifteen years ago. When most people thought of trannies what did they see? An effeminate gay guy who actually attempted to look like a woman. They kept their head down and did not try to dictate reality to everyone. They let the autogynephiliacs in and then they took over to the point we went from something like 83% of all "trans women" being HSTS to now only 10% are. The AGP fetishists are the ones who suddenly started saying they were indeed women. That they deserve to be in sports, locker rooms, and bathrooms. They were the ones saying suck the girl cock bigot. In fact I remember just in like 2015 that freak Riley Dennis had a video going around where he said it actually IS transphobic not to fuck him and he IS a lesbian.
I remember this time really well. I was a heavy 4chan poster and would even ask /LGBT/ for their thoughts on shit like that. The vast responses were people laughing at the entire idea of a tranny saying they were a lesbian. Now look where we are today. Everyone just accepts transbians are a thing. You're the crazy one if you go in any mainstream forum and say otherwise.
When I look back, I didn't follow it but from what I understand the trannys had quite the arguments on tumblr leading to the Truscum slur showing up. If they had succeeded in gatekeeping the autogynephiliacs out of what it means to be "trans", I don't think there would be anywhere near the backlash there is today. It's as you said, they just wouldn't accept limitations. They wouldn't meet the rest of society halfway on -anything- thus the backlash.
This is by the way in no means me saying the HSTS are valid or good. We've seen their share of gross behavior here plenty of times.
We're probably conflating the era when trans were gatekept and nearly all HSTS with the era when shame was a valid concept. Said MtFs were aware that they had to be good citizens and keep a lid on things in public, in order to be tolerated in return.
With the fuel of a thousand midlife crisis power fetish sissies in their political gas tank, the trans lobby doesn't owe you respectability politics, shitlord.
Troons have been forcing themselves into women's spaces for a long long time. Renee Richards got a New York Supreme Court ruling in his favor in the 1970s that allowed him to invade women's tennis. And Sandy Stone is a sound engineer who created lots of havoc at a women's recording company in the 1970s. The _point_ for troons is to force their way into women's spaces.
Broke: Religion is bad because there's no evidence God exists.
Woke: Religion is bad because it encourages violence between adherents of different faiths.
Bespoke: Religion is bad because if you believe in the Rapture and you're in a tornado you might think that the Rapture is here so you'll on purpose let yourself get sucked into the tornado and die
@HalTurner, I remember having similar discussions on Something Awful way back as well, and there were one or two posters back then who were "trans lesbians" and talked about the "cotton ceiling" of ladies not letting them into their panties.
There is perhaps a particular irony about talking about this on kiwi farms now. I think back to the tomgirl saga, or Chris calling himself a "gaybian", and you really have to admit, he was a trailblazer.
Troons have been forcing themselves into women's spaces for a long long time. Renee Richards got a New York Supreme Court ruling in his favor in the 1970s that allowed him to invade women's tennis. And Sandy Stone is a sound engineer who created lots of havoc at a women's recording company in the 1970s. The _point_ for troons is to force their way into women's spaces.
Yes, it is true, even before the direct sort of merging with the gay rights movement, there were already AGP's around being weird, Jesse Singal has written about this, how essentially there was this other stream of trans identity that basically gets subsumed under the banner of gender identity, so that people are always thinking Hedwig and the angry inch, and never about Buffalo Bill. I think Bruce Jenner is probably the first time a lot of normies even began really thinking of the idea of trans women being married to women, even though Richards married a woman, and Stone was part of a lesbian collective.
Stone is interesting because I know that he eventually goes on to marry a man, but part of me feels like that's that weird submission fetish aspect, because up until that point he did seem to want to be part of the lesbian social scene, it doesn't seem like he was a classic damaged twink.
Re: sexual assault. I can’t put it as high falutin as you but I know some theories (including according to RAINN which got in a lot of trouble for this but seem pretty sincere in wanting to help sexual assault victims surely) have said that most rape is committed by a relatively small number of predatory men committing a lot of assaults, not the average man committing a small number of rape/misunderstanding consent as a certain kind of relatively recent feminist discourse suggests. Anecdotally, this seems true. For instance many large social circles like networks of frats/sororities will have a creepy guy the girls warn each other about, etc. I think even Germaine Greer said something along these lines in an old interview.
The numbers I have seen bandied about vary a lot (anywhere from a few percent to 10+, with even higher if you include any unwanted touching), but a fairly old but influential study on men at UMass Boston had around 6% of the male population being responsible for the vast majority of rapes, in the full penetrative sense. This is a male population self-reporting their actions, not specifically using the word rape, but with the researchers coding behaviors past a certain threshold. In the study, the repeat rapist averaged 5.8 rapes.
And, while anecdotes are never a substitute for data, anecdotally as a dude, any large enough group of men always has that guy. There are different varieties of that guy.
If any of you watch IASIP, it's the Dennis persona. Friend of a friend, some dude someone knows from college, etc. He just says weird things, but he's buddies with some other dude who doesn't see it. I am tall and muscular enough that I would make a truly ludicrous troon, and I remember one dude, a roommate of friends from highschool, who told me out of the blue that he would have bullied people if he had been as big as me. Dude was scrawny, and it was such a weird thing to say. And then later on after the roommate situation had ended, we all found out he was a creep who groped a drunk woman at a party.
There was another dude who was much more good natured, but a little handsy with the way he was around women, and he turned of to be a full on rapist who raped a friend of mine, after she made the mistake of going out for dancing and drinks with him. I actually met him through her, he was part of her extended friend group. He seemed innocent, if a little socially awkward. I was full on ready to go beat the shit out of him but the victim talked me down.
These were life lessons for me, and I started really taking women seriously when they talked about being creeped out or wary about some dude. Doesn't mean that every woman will be telling the truth, but it really showed me how the general understanding of men as carrying an inherent potential danger to women is not born out of nowhere. These dudes weren't rampant misogynists or anything, they were just relatively normal dudes who were capable of incredibly evil acts,
The numbers I have seen bandied about vary a lot (anywhere from a few percent to 10+, with even higher if you include any unwanted touching), but a fairly old but influential study on men at UMass Boston had around 6% of the male population being responsible for the vast majority of rapes
Well yeah, hell, it's just statistics at some point. Given 1,000 incidents, propose two models:
One guy does a sex assault -> 1,000 guys
One guy does ten sex assaults -> 100 guys
100 predators can do the damage of 1,000 (still considerably fucked-up) males who "would never do this again" or whatever the hell. Or to rephrase, one man can make another nine look like demons.
Do people really not realize that predators do most of the predation? Shit, maybe not. I dunno.
