📚 Megathread TRA Intersex Activists / TRA "Interfakers" - Trans Activists Who Claim To Be Intersex

[Dilatortron3000]

Also about ambiguous genitalia, nobody has a penis and a vagina. I dont know how that would even happen because they are made from the same base material. It is either a micropenis or a macroclitorus there may be exceptions but this is the general view

 

[Dilatortron3000]

Moderator of r/intersex u/aka_icegirl claims to have AIS, Swyer syndrome, PMDS, ovaries (????), and raised male by parents and given intersex surgeries (how did they even know)

Why this makes no sense below

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1. Swyer syndrome causes gonadal dysgenesis (no gonads), he/she says his/her ovaries were removed???
AIS causes testicles so how does he/she have ovaries
2. Swyer syndrome/ CAIS means you were born with NORMAL female genitalia so how would they know
3. How does AIS effect him/her, how did they know considering people with swyer produce extremely little to no testosterone
4. What intersex surgeries did they even do….

Posts below

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So it looks like the biggest intersex voices arent even intersex
How sad

Also alot of people in this sub are “questioning intersex” thats like questioning downs syndrome

 

[Dilatortron3000]

According to the intersex community, anyone who isnt a normal XX female or XY male is intersex.
They even include variations like XYY males and XXX females despite them having close to 0 symptoms other than being tall

The intersex statistics are inflated by LOCAH. In LOCAH they have a mild excess of androgens appearing at puberty and when this happens in males there are 0 symptoms. So you dont have to be intersex from birth.

 

[ZsaZsaBinks]

I am so glad this thread exists as a lurker of the r/intersex subreddit, i have seen some questionable anecdotes of intersex conditions

- Many AGPs claiming to have PMDS (Persistent Mullerian duct syndrome), claiming to have cramps and a monthly cycle

Cases of PMDS are very rare, with less than 200 documented cases in the published literature
Yet all of them seem to be transgender?

A lot of AGPs also claim to have Klinefelter (XXY) syndrome.

-Owning the TERFs

-People making up shit that made no sense
(XX males are usually indifferentiable from other males other than height), (a fucking pregnant male hemaphrodite)

XX males are also infertile.

- People who dont even know what they are talking about ( XY females are 1 in 80K and they require HRT to go through puberty so yes they would know faggot) (doesnt even know what mosaicism means)

That shows you they aren’t intersex.

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Even though I think TRAs make things worse for intersex people I have seen TERFs do the same thing. They’ll claim an XY phenotypic female with CAIS or Swyer Syndrome is the same as a TIM and shouldn’t be in the women’s restroom.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Even though I think TRAs make things worse for intersex people I have seen TERFs do the same thing. They’ll claim an XY phenotypic female with CAIS or Swyer Syndrome is the same as a TIM and shouldn’t be in the women’s restroom.

It may be a chicken and the egg situation.

So many TRAs use intersex people as just a "what if" that will win their argument... the argument about why everyone needs to let troons have everything they want. Are TERFs arguing that a CAIS XY needs to use the men's restroom out of nowhere, or are they coming to that point at the end of an argument with an equally dogmatic troon?

This is probably admitting to a neanderthal brain, but without a photo I really don't trust anonymous intersex Redditors, the same way I definitely don't trust an imaginary intersex person made up by a TRA as a hypothetical to win an argument about real issues as though it's just a logic puzzle.

The troon says "this is a hypothetical person who looks and acts 100% female, but their genes are XY" in order to get a foot in the door and declare that his own erratically-shaved gorilla self is also indistinguishable from a female, source: him, and thus he gets to do whatever he wants. TERFs are forced to be draconian about intersex acceptance in the face of someone who will take any "obviously this varies by case" as a win.

 

[Dilatortron3000]

A lot of AGPs also claim to have Klinefelter (XXY) syndrome.

XX males are also infertile.

That shows you they aren’t intersex.

Even though I think TRAs make things worse for intersex people I have seen TERFs do the same thing. They’ll claim an XY phenotypic female with CAIS or Swyer Syndrome is the same as a TIM and shouldn’t be in the women’s restroom.

I think they agree that swyer is female. but CAIS has the biggest grey area. They have testicles, 0 body hair (even females have body hair), a short, vaginal pouch that leads to nowhere, taller than females, large breasts etc. I think they have similarities to someone like jazz jennings, it just isnt a choice for them. They are over represented in womens sports. The bathroom thing i am unsure about. They arent exactly phenotypically female if they have testicles, they externally appear to be female despite not being female

 

[ZsaZsaBinks]

I know a lot of intersex activists are upset about intersex surgeries, but if we are to keep intersex organs, then we have to monitor them constantly. I’m reminded of the story of Judy Beck. Judy was born with mixed gonadal dysgenesis, which has the symptoms of XY/XO mosaicism, ambiguous genitalia, a streak gonad and an undescended testicle, and underdeveloped uterine structures. Judy was born in a time when intersex surgeries were common and so her gonads were removed and her genitalia became surgically altered to appear female. The doctors told her family to raise her as female. Judy grew into a tomboyish girl, which she stopped doing in teenagehood as it became less socially acceptable. As her gonads were removed, she went through puberty by taking hormones. In college, she realized she was a lesbian, and would later get with a woman. She also discovered old medical records which said she had a DSD. She switched to testosterone and transitioned to male. She changed her name to Max, and got married. Max may have had intersex surgery, but his uterine structures were still there. They became cancerous, and because his doctors didn’t understand his anatomy, he got diagnosed when it was too late. He died of the cancer.
Max’s Story Part 1 (Archive)
Max’s Story Part 2 (Archive)
Max’s Death (Archive)

 

[ZsaZsaBinks]

My theory about why trans activists hate intersex surgery but love grooming gender-confused people: they want to make biological gender obsolete. They see trans and non-binary as gender ambiguity or postgenderism, and so intersexuality is kept as they see it as a biological representation of that ideology.

 

[█████████]

My theory about why trans activists hate intersex surgery but love grooming gender-confused people: they want to make biological gender obsolete. They see trans and non-binary as gender ambiguity or postgenderism, and so intersexuality is kept as they see it as a biological representation of that ideology.

I agree. They're not even subtle about it. I have heard some of them claim that they think gender won't even be a thing in the future, that everyone should raise their kids nonbinary until they're "old enough to decide their gender", and that they basically want surgery to become so perfected and so cheap that you can Cyberpunk-style mix-and-match whatever configuration you want. Dick and pussy, dick and tits, pussy with no tits, no genitals at all Ken-doll-style. It's Transhumanism mixed with their fetishes. MTFs talk all the time about how they want womb implants to be a thing - not because they actually want to be a mother, but because they want to fetish LARP as a trad housewife submissive "breeder". It's horrifying and I would never become an organ donor, in the fear that one day they'll use my corpse's body parts on a fetish-larping man.

 

[Nero Fiddled]

Intersex has just been used as a convenient way for the TRAs to push the whole "gender is a spectrum" nonsense.

Conflating irrelevant science with mythology to muddy the water might have worked years ago, but people have become a lot wiser to the verbal trickery, fake research and baseless suicide threats these days.

 

[Albicilla]

I know a lot of intersex activists are upset about intersex surgeries, but if we are to keep intersex organs, then we have to monitor them constantly.

It depends on the intersex condition, I imagine. Not just with what you described, but also for the 30%+ rate of testicular cancer in CAIS males: oftentimes, they remove the testicles as a prophylactic and initiate hormone replacement, which many activists are against. One can argue that a person should be informed and be able to make that choice to remove the testicles before any cancer could occur, but many will assume malicious intent from medical professionals where there is none. However, there are many times where intersex surgeries absolutely are unnecessary and the intersex person needs to make that decision on their own: I know someone who has permanently damaged genitalia from an attempt at normalising the appearance of their penis with surgery at birth due to some deformities from PAIS. This surgery was absolutely not necessary to perform without their consent, and many intersex people have gone through similar experiences.