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Slap47 said:
The 3K decision is just strange. They got an inroads into a giant Chinese market, and just dropped the game before putting out a new one. They could have easily just done lazy updates until the release of their second 3K game.

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This makes it seem like they're making a non-total war TK game. What else would they do in a TWTK sequel?

Anyways I feel for the people who enjoyed it, but to me TWTK was the least soulful, least engaging total war game I've played. The sieges were cool I guess, but thats only because they're so shit in the WH games.
 
Calling it now. It's a musou game with some light Total War elements.

Can you imagine all the DLC they could sell for it? They'd be nuts not to try it. Especially considering how well the strategy for selling campaigns for different generals seems to be going for the Warhammer titles.
 
Poop A Loop said:
Calling it now. It's a musou game with some light Total War elements.

Can you imagine all the DLC they could sell for it? They'd be nuts not to try it. Especially considering how well the strategy for selling campaigns for different generals seems to be going for the Warhammer titles.
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They already had that in 3K with their "Dynasty Mode". You and 2 players control 3 characters against waves and waves of enemies. It's as shit as it sounds.

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Imagine being this ass mad over a videogame, to the point where others in the usual soy soaked subreddit are getting pissed off.
 
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This is why catering to chinese markets is not the be-all-end-all solution. They expect you to cater to them FOREVER and the moment you don't they will fuck with your company's image and screech autistically.

If I made a big fuss out of every game that ended development/patches/support too early, I would have died from a salt overdose (RIP Dirty Bomb, Evolve, Nosgoth, Dawngate, Battleborn and many more)
 
Kotol said:
This is why catering to chinese markets is not the be-all-end-all solution. They expect you to cater to them FOREVER and the moment you don't they will fuck with your company's image and screech autistically.

If I made a big fuss out of every game that ended development/patches/support too early, I would have died from a salt overdose (RIP Dirty Bomb, Evolve, Nosgoth, Dawngate, Battleborn and many more)
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Catering to the Chinese market is easy.

- Don't piss off government
- Be better than their native tinpot developers
- Actually continue to sell them products.
 
Slap47 said:
Catering to the Chinese market is easy.

- Don't piss off government
- Be better than their native tinpot developers
- Actually continue to sell them products.
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True, it's not too hard. CA managed to fuck it up though, somehow. Remember the 8 Princes shitstorm? Idk man, I guess they really underestimated the general pride the chinese have for their own country/history or they thought they would just eat it up.

Maybe CA only has the ressources to support 1 franchise for a long time and they chose Warhammer. To be fair though, this will also probably end in the next 2 years, 3 tops. Total War games are not live-service games or MMOs. No game gets updated forever. I cannot wrap my head around the fanbase's saltiness. The game got some DLCs, some balancing updates and you still got mods if you want. The devs learned something from making the game and moved on to the next project.

I also just remembered other games I wished had taken off... Artifact and Dota Underlords. I guess being a Valve fanboy makes you numb to missed potential and lack of updates.
 
Kotol said:
This is why catering to chinese markets is not the be-all-end-all solution. They expect you to cater to them FOREVER and the moment you don't they will fuck with your company's image and screech autistically.

If I made a big fuss out of every game that ended development/patches/support too early, I would have died from a salt overdose (RIP Dirty Bomb, Evolve, Nosgoth, Dawngate, Battleborn and many more)
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It's not so much that Chinese players will turn on you at a drop of a hat and review bomb you or whatever, it's that normally their government shields Chinese companies from such behavior and so when it's a company that the Chinese government isn't going to protect from review bombing; they go ham.

One of those "finally I can act out" nigger moments.
 
Poop A Loop said:
Calling it now. It's a musou game with some light Total War elements.

Can you imagine all the DLC they could sell for it? They'd be nuts not to try it. Especially considering how well the strategy for selling campaigns for different generals seems to be going for the Warhammer titles.
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God I hope not, I remember how well that went last time. Viking Battle For Asgard was the complete shits and Spartan Total Warrior wasn't much better.
 
Slap47 said:
The 3K decision is just strange. They got an inroads into a giant Chinese market, and just dropped the game before putting out a new one. They could have easily just done lazy updates until the release of their second 3K game.
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This might just be rumor but I've heard the Eight Princes DLC was a huge misstep for CA with the Chinese market. I'm not an expert of Chinese history but the gist is that it happened 100 years after the Three Kingdoms and apparently in modern China is not a proud era in their history because it more or less ended with Northern China descending into chaotic rebellions and within 4 years of the war's conclusion the entire region was being ruled by foreign barbarians (Steppe tribes I assume?). So apparently not a lot of enthusiasm for another reminder of the time China couldn't keep their shit together and became subjected to foreign rule, a sore subject for them now.

I'm not sure but maybe because of that, the first major DLC was more or less a flop in sales numbers, the steam charts always showed how few people were actually playing 3K when DLCs came out, it wasn't impressive. After that, I think they couldn't decide between pleasing the folks who wanted more fantastical stuff (Warhammer crowd?), and the hardcore history crowd, tried to split the difference with the Nanman DLC which ended up completely ruining the game balance, according to some. I honestly only played one campaign when the game released and never touched it again.

Overall the only reason CA would abandon this hard is if the sales were extremely bad, and I could absolutely see why they'd be bad seeing as how they sorta pissed off their Chinese market right away, and the western audience doesn't care for Three Kingdoms nearly as much as they like Warhammer fantasy. I hope this taught CA a lesson but I doubt it.
 
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Azazel said:
This might just be rumor but I've heard the Eight Princes DLC was a huge misstep for CA with the Chinese market. I'm not an expert of Chinese history but the gist is that it happened 100 years after the Three Kingdoms and apparently in modern China is not a proud era in their history because it more or less ended with Northern China descending into chaotic rebellions and within 4 years of the war's conclusion the entire region was being ruled by foreign barbarians (Steppe tribes I assume?). So apparently not a lot of enthusiasm for another reminder of the time China couldn't keep their shit together and became subjected to foreign rule, a sore subject for them now.

I'm not sure but maybe because of that, the first major DLC was more or less a flop in sales numbers, the steam charts always showed how few people were actually playing 3K when DLCs came out, it wasn't impressive. After that, I think they couldn't decide between pleasing the folks who wanted more fantastical stuff (Warhammer crowd?), and the hardcore history crowd, tried to split the difference with the Nanman DLC which ended up completely ruining the game balance, according to some. I honestly only played one campaign when the game released and never touched it again.

Overall the only reason CA would abandon this hard is if the sales were extremely bad, and I could absolutely see why they'd be bad seeing as how they sorta pissed how their Chinese market right away, and the western audience doesn't care for Three Kingdoms nearly as much as they like Warhammer fantasy. I hope this taught CA a lesson but I doubt it.
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Issue is they just completely shit the bed with it. No Battle of Chi Bi/Red Cliffs? For someone who grew up playing a fair bit of Dynasty Warriors having one of the iconic battles of that game and the actual time period missing was a gut punch. I already mentioned the issues with recruiting units and the battle balance, and only later I realized the entire way generals were set up, especially with their skills, was an absolute clusterfuck of complication. Some bonuses affect just retinues, others the army, others specific units in their retinues, and it was just a massive overcomplication. Like yeah, Guan Yu wasn't going to have his guys learn how to fight from Zhang Fei or vice-versa. Strategists were absolutely worthless in the field but you didn't get artillery or non-shit archers without them, etc. Oh, and reforms were locked behind a universal time gate for the Han factions. Not a lot of reason to build schools when aside from Empire and Napoleon this may be the most essential time period to tie teching to schools given how wedded-at-the-hip education and the bureaucracy were.

They absolutely nailed the diplomacy and rivalry stuff, and the family tree and the Imperium stuff was good, but god damn. They fucked up so much other stuff. At least we were spared the indignity of mammoth skull cyclopes.
 
Kotol said:
True, it's not too hard. CA managed to fuck it up though, somehow. Remember the 8 Princes shitstorm? Idk man, I guess they really underestimated the general pride the chinese have for their own country/history or they thought they would just eat it up.

Maybe CA only has the ressources to support 1 franchise for a long time and they chose Warhammer. To be fair though, this will also probably end in the next 2 years, 3 tops. Total War games are not live-service games or MMOs. No game gets updated forever. I cannot wrap my head around the fanbase's saltiness. The game got some DLCs, some balancing updates and you still got mods if you want. The devs learned something from making the game and moved on to the next project.

I also just remembered other games I wished had taken off... Artifact and Dota Underlords. I guess being a Valve fanboy makes you numb to missed potential and lack of updates.
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Dropping support for a game that still has a shitton of bugs to move on to another project with the same name is objectively scummy behavior, I don't blame people for being genuinely mad at CA.
 
HeyYou said:
Dropping support for a game that still has a shitton of bugs to move on to another project with the same name is objectively scummy behavior, I don't blame people for being genuinely mad at CA.
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True, I thought about this for another while...and really, review bombing is the only real way to protest their decision, even if it sucks for the fans of the other games.
 
Kotol said:
True, I thought about this for another while...and really, review bombing is the only real way to protest their decision, even if it sucks for the fans of the other games.
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Steam corrects for it so it basically does no harm. Its just good symbolism.
 
Two trailers dropped today. One for Warhammer 2 and the other for Warhammer 3. For Warhammer 3 we got the Khorne trailer, which shows nothing we didn't already know apart from Skarbrand being the legendary lord.
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More interestingly we got a teaser for the final Warhammer 2 DLC. The Silence and the Fury, pitting Oxyotl against Taurox the Brass Bull, out 14th July.
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The Silence & The Fury Teaser Trailer | Total War: WARHAMMER 2

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Slimy Time said:
Two trailers dropped today. One for Warhammer 2 and the other for Warhammer 3. For Warhammer 3 we got the Khorne trailer, which shows nothing we didn't already know apart from Skarbrand being the legendary lord.
www.youtube.com

Enter the World of Khorne | Total War: WARHAMMER 3

The cataclysmic conclusion to the Total War: WARHAMMER trilogy is coming. Rally your forces and step into the Realm of Chaos, a dimension of mind-bending hor...
www.youtube.com www.youtube.com

More interestingly we got a teaser for the final Warhammer 2 DLC. The Silence and the Fury, pitting Oxyotl against Taurox the Brass Bull, out 14th July.
www.youtube.com

The Silence & The Fury Teaser Trailer | Total War: WARHAMMER 2

#TotalWar #TotalWarWarhammer #WarhammerII #TotalWarWarhammerIIFollow us on social media:➤ https://discord.gg/totalwar➤ http://www.facebook.com/totalwar➤ http...
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I installed some tabletop legendary lord mod that already has Taurox. Curious to see how different the official one is.

Just started playing this game a couple weeks ago and I grabbed some missing dlc today. It's all on sale right now.
 
Tamerlane said:
I installed some tabletop legendary lord mod that already has Taurox. Curious to see how different the official one is.

Just started playing this game a couple weeks ago and I grabbed some missing dlc today. It's all on sale right now.
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From the steam page it seems that Taurox is going to have the same mechanic as Lu Bu from 3K. He's going to have a momentum bar that increases the more he wins battles, which gives him buffs the higher it goes, which he can spend that resource to reset his campaign movement to max. As Lu Bu in 3k, you could go on a tear provided you didn't take too much damage in each battle and wipe several armies or locations out.

This mechanic is good imo because the beastmen are a horde faction, which means you are moving at a 50 to 75% range so that you can encamp and build up your army/improve buildings, which makes you really slow to play as at times. With this mechanic you can make up for those slow turns and go ham. It was fun in 3K to play as Lu Bu, it will likely be fun as Taurox.
 
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Slimy Time said:
From the steam page it seems that Taurox is going to have the same mechanic as Lu Bu from 3K. He's going to have a momentum bar that increases the more he wins battles, which gives him buffs the higher it goes, which he can spend that resource to reset his campaign movement to max. As Lu Bu in 3k, you could go on a tear provided you didn't take too much damage in each battle and wipe several armies or locations out.

This mechanic is good imo because the beastmen are a horde faction, which means you are moving at a 50 to 75% range so that you can encamp and build up your army/improve buildings, which makes you really slow to play as at times. With this mechanic you can make up for those slow turns and go ham. It was fun in 3K to play as Lu Bu, it will likely be fun as Taurox.
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Trying to remember how far out the Wood Elf rework was to launch to see if maybe Beastmen as a whole get something similar. Just not sure if it was a month out for that announcement. Also odd choice for Oxy being a legendary lord, hopefully he's not as bad as TTT.
 
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