Crime Tiny Knife Wielding Tranny Shot By Cops

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-student-holding-tiny-knife-article-1.3501857

I'm conflicted. This is the kind of bullshit over use of force that I hate cops for. BUT, fuck this suicidal shithead.

 

[break these cuffs]

I expect cops to put themselves in danger, at least a little bit, to try to make the system as fair as possible.

They do. Read what I had to say about reactionary gap and a melee weapons. Just being near someone who is armed, non-compliant, and not of sound mind is putting yourself at imminent risk of being wounded or killed. You should try to find videos of force on force scenarios using training knives and simmunition. Things go to hell quickly, with almost no time to react. Shooting an attacker doesn't even mean they're going to go down before they're able to strike you.

 

[Zoobles]

firefighters don't put out fires by pissing on them first and hoping it works. They hook up the hose and blast that shit away

 

[Crisseh]

Oh no! We lost another moron!

What a tragedy!

The cops were in complete right to use their firearm in this occasion. This person should of expected that they were going to get shot. Guess they got what they wanted.

 

[Chan the Wizard]

firefighters don't put out fires by pissing on them first and hoping it works. They hook up the hose and blast that shit away

They also don't unnecessarily put themselves in harm's way.
If there's no one inside, they only go in if it's deemed safe. If the fire is too bad, they stay out and just keep it from spreading to other structures.

Kind of like shooting a deranged individual with a knife to protect someone else from being hurt.

 

[Marvin]

They do. Read what I had to say about reactionary gap and a melee weapons. Just being near someone who is armed, non-compliant, and not of sound mind is putting yourself at imminent risk of being wounded or killed. You should try to find videos of force on force scenarios using training knives and simmunition. Things go to hell quickly, with almost no time to react. Shooting an attacker doesn't even mean they're going to go down before they're able to strike you.

I guess they do.

It's just that things like these are fresh in my memory:

• https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/883366/download
  
• http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...rugs-in-body-cam-footage-public-defender-says
  
  • this one is particularly funny to me. bodycams start recording 30 seconds before you press the on button (that is, they're always recording, but they only commit the video to memory when they button is pressed, and when that happens, they include a 30 second buffer)
• https://www.cbsnews.com/news/baltimore-police-department-officers-arrested-robbery-racketeering/

 

[Cato]

As far as self defense goes... I can't really tell someone they shouldn't have defended themselves retroactively. But if someone can't deal with a higher level of risk than an ordinary citizen deals with, they probably shouldn't be a cop.

Edit: Like, they should be a mallcop or something. I don't expect mallcops to put themselves at additional risk. But I do expect real police to do that.

I anticipated that you'd eventually say something along these lines.

Many people tend to overestimate:

-The general ability of human beings to respond to stressful and life-threatening decisions.

-The extent to which training and experience can improve a person's ability to respond to use of force situations.

-The level of training provided to law enforcement officers in general.

When a person encounters threats, their sympathetic nervous system activates. This triggers a "fight-or-flight" state. The forebrain essentially shuts down and one is left with the reptilian part of their brain and acts on instinct. Law enforcement officers are human beings and not immune to this. Experience can mitigate it. Training alone, less so. It's much easier to armchair quarterback and hypothesize about how you'd hypothetically handle a situation than to actually do that in practice.

As for assuming levels of risk as part of their job, I believe I already addressed that.

P.S. - Some "mallcop" jobs, especially in inner cities, can actually be rather dangerous. Sometimes moreso than policing because they have worse training, equipment and backup. An acquaintance of mine had his stab vest save him from being shanked and got beaten unconscious (in two seperate incidents) in his first month working security at a mall.

 

[break these cuffs]

I guess they do.

It's just that things like these are fresh in my memory:

• https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/883366/download
  
• http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...rugs-in-body-cam-footage-public-defender-says
  • this one is particularly funny to me. bodycams start recording 30 seconds before you press the on button (that is, they're always recording, but they only commit the video to memory when they button is pressed, and when that happens, they include a 30 second buffer)
• https://www.cbsnews.com/news/baltimore-police-department-officers-arrested-robbery-racketeering/

You don't like cops. I get that. Especially considering the BPD is your frame of reference. You have to recognize that not every department is like that.

 

[Marvin]

You don't like cops. I get that. Especially considering the BPD is your frame of reference. You have to recognize that not every department is like that.

Oh definitely. There are some great police departments in the US. I read about them occasionally.

Just not around here.

 

[drain]

This person should of expected that they were going to get shot.

The problem with those sanctimonious tranny martyrs is that they think that their 'special condition' will magically turns them into a protected class,
so they can act like violent and stubborn morons without fear of the consequences.

 

[Mason Verger]

I agree with some of what @Marvin is saying, in that their should be an option aside from firearms in these situations.

That's why me and my friends have proposed that police should carry tactical katanas. In fact, that should be a whole seperate devision of the police force, made up of only those that have studied the blade. They'll be trained in the use of tactical katanas and a form of tactical parkour designed for maximum agility through urban environments. This devision would wear a special tactical black trench coat to differentiate them from other police units. Check my deviant art page for some designs I've worked on.

 

[oldTireWater]

Art tho from London?

No. I'm still pissed about James Boyd though.

 

[break these cuffs]

That's why me and my friends have proposed that police should carry tactical katanas. In fact, that should be a whole seperate devision of the police force, made up of only those that have studied the blade. They'll be trained in the use of tactical katanas and a form of tactical parkour designed for maximum agility through urban environments. This devision would wear a special tactical black trench coat to differentiate them from other police units. Check my deviant art page for some designs I've worked on.

What the point if you aren't going to teach them to teleport?

 

[Coldgrip]

I agree with some of what @Marvin is saying, in that their should be an option aside from firearms in these situations.

That's why me and my friends have proposed that police should carry tactical katanas. In fact, that should be a whole seperate devision of the police force, made up of only those that have studied the blade. They'll be trained in the use of tactical katanas and a form of tactical parkour designed for maximum agility through urban environments. This devision would wear a special tactical black trench coat to differentiate them from other police units. Check my deviant art page for some designs I've worked on.

I agree, but only after they've been bitten by a radioactive cobra as they're struck by lightning.

 

[Mason Verger]

I agree, but only after they've been bitten by a radioactive cobra as they're struck by lightning.

I feel you guys aren't taking "D.A.R.C.W.O.L.F. EliteZero devision" seriously.

 

[oldTireWater]

I'm just curious how big does the knife have to be before you consider it a threat?

You clearly don't know anything about use of force and should probably refrain from commenting on it.

This is some Gawker level shit here.

First off, I was kind of joking when I said I was conflicted. I'm more than ok with this particular dead-end being "permabanned" from twitter. And from what I've read this sounds like a pretty conservative shoot.

I don't know if LE Academies still teach the 21 foot rule, but that used to be the unofficial standard for an individual wielding a knife or other hand-held weapon to be considered to have "opportunity" (as in means, opportunity, and intent). Of course that never really applied to cops, but it's the sort of thing a citizen would have to demonstrate to get away with using lethal force.

But as a rule fuck these wanna-be hard men. Dress up and play fucking army when they've got no real threat. Too many faggots in this country love authority too much to question what they do. Motherfuckers walking around with "INFIDEL" baseball hats and Magpul stickers on your zombie hunter jeeps. Fuck your "blue lives matter".

 

[Gramps]

Oh definitely. There are some great police departments in the US. I read about them occasionally.

Just not around here.

We get it, you're a nigger who lives in a big city and you don't like cops for keepin' a brotha down. You are using strawmen to argue a point after realizing a mentally unstable person shouting "shoot me" while advancing with a weapon probably isn't something you can spin into "cops like to kill minorities". now you are making hypothetical statements. I will humor you.

Firefighters do in fact take a certain level of risk, but they do not take avoidable risk. If a firefighter can shoot a fire in the heart and kill it, I assure you, they most likely would. Fire is not a person, and there is no real comparison here.

Little bit of advice from someone who has been around the block, if you advance at sometime with a pistol leveled at your heart screaming "shoot me" while they tell you to do exactly the opposite, you are going to have a bad time. I do not care if the person is unarmed, I do not care if they are holding a spork. If I have a gun, I feel threatened, and I say "stop" it is in your best interest to stop. Cops are not therapists, they are not mental health professionals., they are not taking the time to do a full psych eval on a deranged person advancing towards them screaming "shoot me". These cops put themselves in an unacceptably dangerous situation by simply not shooting sooner. Cops are here to keep you safe, and it is only a job. some are terrible at it, some are great. People aren't perfect. These guys in particular, not whatever hypothetical "grand wizard becomes county sheriff" situation you are trying to argue now, showed an amazing level of restraint and should be promoted.

 

[Cryin RN]

It's totally disgusting to involve other people in your own suicide and btw this goes for Leelah Alcorn as well. If you walk in front of a train you are making a train driver kill you. If you make the cops shoot your retarded ass you are forcing them into weeks of investigations, public blame and personal guilt. Find a god damn bridge.

 

[Positron]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=S_N5EYGM2hc

His speech was obviously male.
Hope he enjoys his new life in Equestria.

 

[Marvin]

We get it, you're a nigger who lives in a big city and you don't like cops for keepin' a brotha down.

No, I'm annoyed at the incompetent police in my city pissing away my tax money on lawsuits from people whose rights they violate on a regular basis.

You are using strawmen to argue a point after realizing a mentally unstable person shouting "shoot me" while advancing with a weapon probably isn't something you can spin into "cops like to kill minorities". now you are making hypothetical statements. I will humor you.

No, I didn't even read the article. I was reacting to people's comments in this thread. Nothing at all about the actual incident itself.

Firefighters do in fact take a certain level of risk, but they do not take avoidable risk.

Avoidable how? Running into a burning building is a risk. I'm sure it's a calculated risk, but it's a risk nevertheless. I expect firefighters to take more risks than an ordinary citizen because they have taken on the job.

The risks they take on are avoidable for the reason that becoming a firefighter is avoidable.

Little bit of advice from someone who has been around the block, if you advance at sometime with a pistol leveled at your heart screaming "shoot me" while they tell you to do exactly the opposite, you are going to have a bad time. I do not care if the person is unarmed, I do not care if they are holding a spork.

You're a private citizen. We have higher standards for police because we trust them with authority.

If I have a gun, I feel threatened, and I say "stop" it is in your best interest to stop.

There are more important things than immediate comfort. In this country, people have rights and there are restrictions on the government to protect those rights. It might be in your best interest sometimes to keep your head down and allow your rights to be violated, but that doesn't necessarily make it right.

I recommend people keep their personal safety in mind in these sorts of situations. But that recommendation is not a replacement for holding the government accountable.

 

[Ruin]

They should gamble their life a little. Again, firefighters running into burning buildings. There's an element of risk there, but it's a part of the job. Or what about soldiers? I mean, we can give them all the fancy toys they want, but ultimately, some day a soldier is going to end up in front of the barrel of a gun. They've got to be prepared for that.

Police do need to get their hands dirty sometimes. The job inherently comes with risk of injury or death.

Getting the suspect in front of a judge is an important goal. Again, I'm not saying they should just risk themselves willy nilly. But I do expect them to try, and that includes a little physical danger sometimes. I'm not going to just rubber stamp every decision the cops make.

Cops should not be expected to sacrifice their lives to save someone who is an active threat to the community and willfully engages law enforcement with deadly force. If the cops stood down and knife tranny stabbed a bystander how would you feel?