TheNeoMutualist vs. USPG2 - How a single political argument turned into a full on roast showdown (Best of USPG2)

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TheNeoMutualist said:
actually it was in the name of Ferdinand Lassalle

you realize you can just not reply to me
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Postal_Rat said:
That is an option yes, does it bother you?
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no, but dont make a fuss about the dick measuring contest
Myrtle the Turtle said:
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Whats hurting Trump and will continue to hurt him is the abysmal job market, H1Bs and the jeet invasion. For many families, having their son/ daughter have to live at home because they can't get an entry level job after earning a college degree is an incessant reminder the economy is not doing well. No one in this situation gives a fuck about stock market gains until this trend reverses. It means seriously going to war with offshoring and not just in the manufactuing sector.

And no, you cannot dismiss this crisis with trite platitudes saying Susie or Bobby picked an art history major. The crisis and real and Trump ignores it at his own peril.
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mlanguishi said:
That's all true. The only good thing is inflation's fairly stead since biden left, at least relative to what it is then on a lot of thing. The job situation has been shit for 6 years+ now too. If you have a decent job you're probably going to be ok unless it's AI's going to nuke it, but starting or trying to get into anything sucks for sure.
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and people here still think Massie will lose his reelection when he just needs to talk about how the BBB fucked the average American consumer and put us into more debt. Massie has narratives, Ed just has "Massie doesnt like Israel"
The Ugly One said:
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TheNeoMutualist said:
no, but dont make a fuss about the dick measuring contest


and people here still think Massie will lose his reelection when he just needs to talk about how the BBB fucked the average American consumer and put us into more debt. Massie has narratives, Ed just has "Massie doesnt like Israel"

Genkirkuinely
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Well you're new so you have to understand one of the rules, if you disagree with someone you have to call them a faggot.
 
TheNeoMutualist said:
Yes, I agree with him in Fanged Noumena, but disagree with Dark Enlightenment. Land is very much a Marxist in Noumena, hell Fanged Noumena is just an extension of Anti-Oedipus and the intertwining of Marxism and Existentialism is Situationism, Land from Fanged Noumena is a Situationist, even if unconscious of it. Hell, I view Massie2028 as a political situation to disrupt the commonplace of Bourgeois politics, Massie as is Trump are both "Spectacular" political figures in the sense they are existential enemies and clearly at war over the party, I back Massie because I think both this situation can accelerate the productive forces (theres a reason Marx actually supported Free Trade) and the Class Consciousness of the US Proletariat.
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in English nigger i don't speak buzzword
 
TheNeoMutualist said:
Continental Philosophy wholly mogs Analytic Philosophy.
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Well aren't you just preciously retarded. Analytic Philosophy is the sole reason you are here shitting up this thread. Without George Boole's work in algebraic logic, we would not have the circuitry need to have computers nor the internet. On a whole Analytic Philosophy has done more to improve the lives of humans and increase our knowledge of the universe, than any Hegelian off-shoot you believe in. Hint, there is a reason why the hard sciences don't use the dialectic.
 
Mister Fister said:
Well you're new so you have to understand one of the rules, if you disagree with someone you have to call them a faggot.
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again, just never been like that, prefer an actual argument LMAO, like again you guys arent actually presenting any arguments about Marx or Analytic Philosophy being based on Superstructure and not the Base itself
JambledUpWords said:
Even if you view Marx as purely a philosopher, his philosophy is so out-of-touch with reality that according to certain Marxists, “real communism has never been done,” despite so many nations adopting it throughout the twentieth century. They keep moving goalposts, and justify doing so because Marxist theory is so broad that even Marxists can’t agree with each other on who has done “real communism.” The Communist Manifesto ends with this utopian idea that everyone will have equality, and because that ending hasn’t panned out, Marxists will claim that “it isn’t real communism.” Marx’s philosophy has to be based in some form of reality for it to work, and because it isn’t, it’s why any nation that has tried it has failed. (No, the Nordic countries don’t count. They have a mixed economy that recognizes the need for free markets, which is antithetical to Marxist thought).
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oh yeah, the Nordic countries are Capitalist, if I had to say the closest to "Communism" irl was, it was Revolutionary Catalonia, but even then, Communism is primarily an abstract over some mode of society. Communism is the state of being into which class society is abolished, nowhere even in RevCal has class society been abolished, not because its impossible, but because we arent in the material conditions for it to be possible. Again, why I am an Accelerationist.
pellegrino31415 said:
Well aren't you just preciously retarded. Analytic Philosophy is the sole reason you are here shitting up this thread. Without George Boole's work in algebraic logic, we would not have the circuitry need to have computers nor the internet. On a whole Analytic Philosophy has done more to improve the lives of humans and increase our knowledge of the universe, than any Hegelian off-shoot you believe in. Hint, there is a reason why the hard sciences don't use the dialectic.
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And for Analytic Philosophy to develop in the first place, it needs a societal structure. Again, you cant do analytic philosophy in an active warzone can you. Socrates only existed because there was a stable order and society for people to ask those questions in the first place, again, Base and Superstructure, one of the principle tools of Marxist philosophy. Seriously, this thread is just STEM Majors raging on Liberal Arts types because they refuse to accept the fact Scientific Progress isnt in a vacuum.
harmy.kook said:
Aren't the Lolberts starting to be really hated in Appalachia because of the drugs?
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the drugs have always been there and its primarily West Virginia, not Kentucky that drugs are an issue.
pooterino said:
Proximity fuzes did more for the war effort in WWII than a million indoctrinated marxist warriors ever could.
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I dont think the Nazis were on the coasts of Scotland shooting off MG-42s while they developed them now did they.
 
mlanguishi said:
The crazy thing about marxists is they think the hive mind of Pluribus is the perfect forever final form of human evolution in every way. It ends up like this every time eventually once the revolutionary zeal wears off and it always does.

Homo Sovieticus (Latin for "Soviet Man") is a term for the archetype of the conformist, passive, and often cynical individual shaped by the totalitarian Soviet system, contrasting with the idealized "New Soviet Man"; it's a critical concept used by intellectuals like Alexander Zinoviev to describe behaviors like paternalism, lack of initiative, and cynicism that arose from Soviet life, often resurfacing in post-Soviet debates about societal transformation.
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except the USSR wasnt Communist, hell it was a very clear case of class transition from Aristocracy to Bourgeoisie and Zinoviev himself even agreed with Marx in his war on ideology. Marxism is inherently anti-ideological which is one of the main reasons Bolshevism is Anti-Marxist, because it is ideological in its analysis of Class War. Again the Soviet Proletarian was just as transfixed to the Spectacle as its Western counterparts. My only praise of the USSR is that it was historically progressive in its industrialization of Russia and nothing more.
JambledUpWords said:
MA in history over here. Sorry dude, even the liberal arts types think this is dumb
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so you think its smart to put a math class in the middle of an active warzone?
 
TheNeoMutualist said:
Communism isnt when there's red banners everywhere and you make abstract platitudes about the Working Class
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If only some one told them that before all those people died. it's funny how fake communism never gets stopped by real communist's huh?
it's almost like your group ideologically disowns your past failures in order to pretend to have a perfect record.
 
Postal_Rat said:
If only some one told them that before all those people died. it's funny how fake communism never gets stopped by real communist's huh?
it's almost like your group ideologically disowns your past failures in order to pretend to have a perfect record.
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no its because Marxism is based on Class Analysis and its obvious the Proletariat didnt control the USSR LMAO, hell you have a ton of supposed "Communists" support the USSR, Maoist China (which dare I say is closer to Fascism than anything), etc. Its actually applying Marxist philosophy, not ideological superstructure. Again, we care about the Base, not the Superstructure.
 
@TheNeoMutualist I do not believe you to be capable of thought. I believe you to be capable of stringing words together, of which you assign a fixed, emotive meaning, but are otherwise incapable of actually putting meaning to those emotional buzzwords. I would put money that you're 'educated', but probably have weaker reading comprehension skills, and were probably not taught phonics in school. You are a literal Frieren demon.
 
TheNeoMutualist said:
no its because Marxism is based on Class Analysis and its obvious the Proletariat didnt control the USSR LMAO, hell you have a ton of supposed "Communists" support the USSR, Maoist China (which dare I say is closer to Fascism than anything), etc. Its actually applying Marxist philosophy, not ideological superstructure. Again, we care about the Base, not the Superstructure.
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Oh can we get a time machine so you can go back in time and tell all the people who fought in the October revolution that they are dying for fake communism I'm sure they'll be so embarrassed to be fake communists. You mother fuckers can't tell whether or not the "communism" you are dying for is real. There is no reason for me to believe that you will get it right the next time, but there is ever reason to believe that you will destroy millions of lives trying.
 
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except its not a true scotsman, you cant have "Stalin was a Bureaucratic dictator" and "The Proletariat did control the MOP and it was Communism". Bureaucracy, Bourgeois dictatorship, etc and the Proletariat controlling the MOP are mutually exclusive. Marxism is inherently against the idea of "representative democracy", thats why we support a DOTP. The USSR was a Representative Bourgeois Democracy, nothing more, it just had an ineffective planned economy.
Postal_Rat said:
Oh can we get a time machine so you can go back in time and tell all the people who fought in the October revolution that they are dying for fake communism I'm sure they'll be so embarrassed to be fake communists. You mother fuckers can't tell whether or not the "communism" you are dying for is real. There is no reason for me to believe that you will get it right the next time, but there is ever reason to believe that you will destroy millions of lives trying.
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Just [ignore] the fucking faggot, you goofballs. "Real men don't ignore, they blah blah blah..." yeah horseshit, real men have shit to do, and don't waste their time with obvious trolls/retards.
 
TheNeoMutualist said:
except the USSR wasnt Communist
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This is the first thing you’ve posted that I actually agree with since communism cannot ever truly exist because it’s a utopian pipe dream made up by a retard and what the ussr was and what every other country and every party that is trying to work towards communism are is a collection of socialist retards and petty tyrants who inevitably will end up failing outright at the first few hurdles or causing untold preventable deaths for no logical reason.
 
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