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I didn't get on with the Heroic Launcher. Generally with Lutris you will have to fiddle with settings. A lot of stuff will just work with it. Other stuff depending on the age of the game is an utter PITA. Getting C&C Generals working properly was not fun.
Thanks, I'll take a look at Lutris. I had heard it wasn't great and Heroic was wonderful. But that's probably a lesson that I should just try shit myself. I also tried Bottles at the time, but that also didn't have the older Proton/Wine versions recommended for CoD on ProtonDB.
Regarding the compatibility. Steam has a list of games which are officially supported; these can be filtered in your library by clicking the penguin icon in the library.
By default, IIRC, Steam will only install games that they've deemed to be fully compatible. You can manually enable Proton for all titles in the settings, IIRC, under compatibility. It will have a recommended version of Proton that it will download and install automatically. You can override this on a per-game basis.
That certainly sounds like a better UX than Heroic. Might do a dual boot Linux install on my main system to give Linux gaming a proper go. I currently have no strong desire to get rid of Windows, but it's wise to hedge my bets on Windows becoming introlerable to use for my purposes at some point.
 
Here's a few hot takes: there's nothing inherently wrong with Chromium and any problems are because of the program developers using it. Steam is a video game storefront and game launcher with some social features to play games with your friends, who gives a shit about your friends seeing you online, either suck it up for the installation process (how often are you reinstalling Steam that the ONE TIME it shows you as online is annoying?) or just remove all the friends you clearly aren't being social with.

You just want to be mad @Slav Power
 
This is a memetic hazard. It instantly alters one's state of mind upon it's acknowledgement. That's the only conclusion that I can come to from all the hours wasted online, reliving the exact same discussions that always result in the same outcome, yet I always kid myself that it'll be different. It never it, never will be, I am insane, and the world is a looney bin.
Here's a few hot takes: there's nothing inherently wrong with Chromium and any problems are because of the program developers using it. Steam is a video game storefront and game launcher with some social features to play games with your friends
seeing the slapfight is ehh but microslop isn't doing anything of mention lately and it seems they have been stepping on eggs, oh saar pls we are optimizing things saar just wait saar.
pajeet, please.
their focus on webapp developing to hire contractors doesn't seem to be helping, media is doing their hardest to slam them since the devs don't care about optimization and release broken buggy shit that have tons of memory leaks too, get fucked satya microslop.
 
And here's the other thing. I do not want my PC to be turned into a crumbly version of a Playstation with a halfassed interface and tiny text. I don't want it to be turned into a good version of the Playstation. I don't want it to be a Playstation at all, meaning I don't want forums, voice, text chat, friend groups, the controller, or anything else to be owned by a single company with vendor lock-in. That's why it's a PC, not a console. I don't need their launcher, it's called "Putting your game shortcuts in a folder called "Games."
Steam has features like big picture mode because not everyone is playing at a desk. I alternate between my desk and couch depending on the game, Steams interface is quite nice for this. Having a company with heavy influence on this that actually gives a shit is very nice for actually getting things done. Biggest missed opportunity is a lack of a plugin system. People have done great work on the Steam Deck and I wish I had that experience on the desktop.

Windows is around half of the global server market share, and yes, there are some VERY large deployments out there.
Windows server primarily exists in a specific market that is better served by and currently being moved over to SaaS.

Its difficult to actually compare numbers due to radically different deployment methods. (How are we counting a large scale k8s deployment? Methodology will heavily skew mumbers in one direction or another) And I find it makes much more sense to compare where they are deployed and why.

Windows server is used to host internal applications, Active Directory, and Exchange in most cases. Its popular in SMB, with large enterprises also using it for these specific functions. However, most of those are in a slow process of moving to SaaS, as its easier for traditional enterprises to account for in their financials, and its more profitable for Microsoft to sell Entra and Exchange Online licenses. Same for many of the traditional vendors.

The actual software companies serving applications to massive userbases, both B2C and B2B, are all using Linux for this. It scales better and they require real orchestration. Windows is simply way too stateful in its design to accomodate those workflows.

Updating a Linux major release (e.g. RHEL 9 - > RHEL 10) is basically guaranteed to break your entire stack. Windows isn't perfect, but it isn't even in the same universe of badness as Linux
Have not had issues with this personally, but I also tend to avoid traditional "pet" servers. I could definitely seeing this being an issue for traditional "run it on a box" enterprise software, which needs to seriously update its deployment model.
We have, and the sheer volume of resources consumed to keep Linux from shitting itself makes me wonder if we're really saving any money at all over the Solaris days. How many resources are consumed by the OpenShift ecosystem, which is little more than a workaround to Linux?
Interesting question that really depends on the deployment imo. The traditional model used back in the day doesn't scale and is less stable than the k8s baseline we have now. If you have a well designed architecture, properly configure your scaling parameters, and actually rightsize your workloads so you arent wasting overhead, you can absolutely pay less and do so with far, far fewer people.

With that said, it assumes alot of proper housekeeping that large businesses completely fail to do. They're filled with devs who will overequest resources for their application (which is amplified the more replicas it had), stateful apps that arent properly configured to scale down, and manual processes to solve problems that were addressed by existing primitives because the person who designed it didn't actually understand how this technology works.

Solaris and BSD were realistically better successors to Unix with the traditional server model, but I think the faster moving pace of Linux ultimately won because it enabled the development of more novel systems, which were necessary for hyperscaling. If we were moving at a slower speed, it would've been more difficult for Google to develop Borg, which was fundamental to their growth. We probably wouldnt see other new solutions that have been built upon Linux, such as NixOS (fully reproducible, violates certain Unix principles to address dependency management issues), Talos Linux (minimalist, secure distribution that can only run Kubernetes), or general purpose immutable OS's. The traditional method of server hosting was insufficient for the direction things were headed, and Linux happened to be the most capable of adapting so something new could be built.
 
The actual software companies serving applications to massive userbases, both B2C and B2B, are all using Linux for this. It scales better and they require real orchestration. Windows is simply way too stateful in its design to accomodate those workflows.
I wish. I encountered a company which was basically a SaaS provider for a "POS"-like product, Point of Sale not Piece of Shit but both were appropriate. Originally designed to run in a couple Windows servers in a closet at your building. Now they've "SaaS"ed it by shoving it on VMWare, still Windows, and given each customer a remote desktop front-end to access their entirely dedicated set of VMs. It's horrifying beyond measure.
I could definitely seeing this being an issue for traditional "run it on a box" enterprise software, which needs to seriously update its deployment model.
Luckily, for those of us who bill by the hour, many of those companies are switching to container models. Which means companies which want to keep those products on-prem for whatever reason now get to figure out Koobernets.
 
Steam has features like big picture mode because not everyone is playing at a desk. I alternate between my desk and couch depending on the game,
I think you missed the part where I said I don't want my PC turned into a Playstation.

Windows server primarily exists in a specific market
No, it doesn't. 35%-50% of the entire server market isn't any one market.

The actual software companies serving applications to massive userbases, both B2C and B2B, are all using Linux for this.
No, they aren't.

Have not had issues with this personally
If you've never run into a software compatibility issue on Linux, you've never done much with it. I've had shit break when compiling from sources because it tried to call operating systems functions whose API changed...let alone binaries breaking due to ABI changes.

enterprise software, which needs to seriously update its deployment model.
...which it wouldn't have to if Linux wasn't shit. Containers are a solution to a problem that doesn't exist on any other operating system.

Interesting question that really depends on the deployment imo. The traditional model used back in the day doesn't scale and is less stable than the k8s baseline we have now. If you have a well designed architecture, properly configure your scaling parameters, and actually rightsize your workloads so you arent wasting overhead, you can absolutely pay less and do so with far, far fewer people.
I'm talking about the overhead spent on the developer side to (a) develop and maintain container platforms like OpenShift (over 5000 developers at Red Hat just work on OpenShift according to the panopticon) and (b) containerize apps so they can actually work. (a) and (b) were nonfactors on UNIX because UNIX flavors didn't break ABI compatibility regularly.

Solaris and BSD were realistically better successors to Unix
Solaris is UNIX. So are HP-UX and AIX. Two of those three are now dead as of this year. The third is on life support. It's really too bad.

but I think the faster moving pace of Linux ultimately won because it enabled the development of more novel systems, which were necessary for hyperscaling.
UNIX never had a scaling problem, not vertically and not horizontally. The problem with UNIX is it cost about 20x-100x more than the most Gucci enterprise Linux package you can find. That's why Linux won. The moment Linux became kind-of-not-shit-enough for an x86 server with Linux to acceptably do things exotic architectures running UNIX were doing, CFOs started slashing budgets. The giants had a choice - cut the price or die. They chose to die on the margin hill.
 
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I wish. I encountered a company which was basically a SaaS provider for a "POS"-like product, Point of Sale not Piece of Shit but both were appropriate. Originally designed to run in a couple Windows servers in a closet at your building. Now they've "SaaS"ed it by shoving it on VMWare, still Windows, and given each customer a remote desktop front-end to access their entirely dedicated set of VMs. It's horrifying beyond measure.

Luckily, for those of us who bill by the hour, many of those companies are switching to container models. Which means companies which want to keep those products on-prem for whatever reason now get to figure out Koobernets.
Technically not the type of company I was referring to, but yah I'm well aware of that model. Old school B2B Slop factories just doing the bare minimum to keep selling their existing product. Usually have some bigger customers but also don't actually have enough to have heavy scaling requirements.
Containers really are the proper deployment model at this point, but I'm sure they'll provide the most god awful configuration imaginable running a million side services most of their customers don't need. Also 0 their customers know how to hire someone who knows k8s, so have fun billing out the ass
No, it doesn't. 35%-50% of the entire server market isn't any one market.
Windows Server is used very heavily for a specific set of applications. It is also used for alot of applications that were developed in its hayday 20 years ago. Most of those apps are being moved to SaaS, and newer applications are being developed to run on Windows Server directly at a much lower rate. It's Marketshare is decreasing and that trend will continue. The niche it served is an increasingly shrinking market
No, they aren't.
Yes, they really are. There is not a single major tech company running their infra on Windows Server. I'm talking about the actual big players. FAANG, Cloudflare, Tesla, etc. not "random industry specific ERP software"
If you've never run into a software compatibility issue on Linux, you've never done much with it. I've had shit break when compiling from sources because it tried to call operating systems functions whose API changed...let alone binaries breaking due to ABI changes.
I did not say I've never run into a software compatibility issue, I said I haven't had random issues with software dying from an update. As I pointed out, I tend to heavily containerize my applications and use distributions with additional recovery methods, so I am less likely to encounter these issues.
...which it wouldn't have to if Linux wasn't shit. Containers are a solution to a problem that doesn't exist on any other operating system.
Containers solve many problems, and while they are a decent workaround to compatibility issues, I'd argue its not even the main reason they exist. Containers are effective at being a more flexible form of virtualization and also allow for well defined boundaries during development. If you need to deploy many instances of an application and scale them across a cluster, containers are really a good abstraction, and its why theyre used so heavily in large environments. Thats not to mention theyre a direct descendant of BSD jails, and BSD largely avoids most of the issues you're pointing out.
UNIX never had a scaling problem, not vertically and not horizontally. The problem with UNIX is it cost about 20x-100x more than the most Gucci enterprise Linux package you can find. That's why Linux won. The moment Linux became kind-of-not-shit-enough for an x86 server with Linux to acceptably do things exotic architectures running UNIX were doing, CFOs started slashing budgets. The giants had a choice - cut the price or die. They chose to die on the margin hill.
Unix was never used at the scale we're talking about now. Traditional Unix systems would not have been able to run at the scale things like Kubernetes do. It was very capable and I'm sure we could have adapted for a containerized Unix model if things played out that way. Cost was certainly a factor, but I think development flexibility has to be considered, otherwise we'd be ignoring BSD. BSD was really a better OS as a whole, but Linux was more flexible.
 
autistic whining
it's amazing how every time he returns after ban/suicide bait sesh he is even more of a autistic deranged freak. I really guess slavs aren't any different from jeets
Windows Server
WS in 2026 is a meme,and so is, by extension, Active Directory. Last time I have seen it live was with a 10yo shitty server in my former workplace.
microslop isn't doing anything of mention lately
True that, I only heard they are removing WMIC (geg) from W11 in 26H2
 
It has been an option ever since Windows 11 came out. But it's easy to believe that that's not the case if you let the media form your opinions.
I tried it myself last year. The media did not "inform my opinion". Microsoft themselves say that this is the case.
Windows 11 Pro for personal use and Windows 11 Home require internet connectivity and a Microsoft account during initial device set-up.
Having to use a workaround to trick the OS (which is what you are suggesting) into having a local account install on installation (which is what I originally claimed). It is correct; it is still the case, and your entire argument is basically, "Well, you didn't describe the workaround correctly for the latest version of the ISO; therefore, what you say is incorrect."

This is essentially a fallacious argument.
It doesn't change the fact that I always get called a Microsoft shill for not having the exact same regurgitated opinion around everything Microsoft that everyone else online has, and that opinion is formed by misleading articles from journalists and no one's the wiser to not believe them since "Microsoft" is like a red tarp to a bull, all reason ceases to matter.
Because what you do is constantly passively aggressively make swipes at Linux users and anyone that disagrees with you. So your whole post reads as apologia for Microsoft.
And every time something I write that is taken as "running defense" is me being autistically pedantic about what it is that Microsoft is fucking up, not saying that it's okay that they're doing it? Maybe a pre-written preamble in which I point out every single one of my beliefs to set the stage for the rest of the post? I feel like that should be the mandatory approach to online discussion nowadays.
The fact that you're a fresh user and I see that you're reacting the same way as all the other users have reacted for years, be it here on other sites, makes me wish for that solar flare to wipe us all or all of our electronics out.
Firstly, you have no idea who you are talking to. I used to make my living on the Microsoft stack. I used to use the Microsoft stack for everything.
I used to make similar cope arguments, such as you do. What you are doing is nothing other than contrarianism and arguing semantics.

Secondly, there is a saying. "If you don't know who the arsehole is in the friend group, it is you."

The fact is that you subtly misstate things (like pretending that privacy advocates are supporting criminals, which is straight-up bullshit) or pretend certain things aren't a problem when they are (Microsoft making using a local account on Windows difficult). I've read many of your posts (which unfortunately are mostly poorly worded ramblings), and the pattern is clear.

None of this changes this fact:

Microsoft makes it unnecessarily difficult for users to use a local account on installation.

Pretending otherwise is asinine.
 
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Yes, they really are. There is not a single major tech company running their infra on Windows Server. I'm talking about the actual big players. FAANG, Cloudflare, Tesla, etc. not "random industry specific ERP software"
Windows Server is used very heavily for a specific set of applications. It is also used for alot of applications that were developed in its hayday 20 years ago. Most of those apps are being moved to SaaS, and newer applications are being developed to run on Windows Server directly at a much lower rate. It's Marketshare is decreasing and that trend will continue. The niche it served is an increasingly shrinking market
You are wasting your time with them. The only major tech company that is running their infra on Windows Server is Microsoft, and even then, they are heavily using Linux.

As you quite rightly stated, most of the big Windows Server deployments are banks or other large orgs that are using software that is dependent on the Microsoft stack.
 
I really guess slavs aren't any different from jeets
Odezwał się polaczek. Miej nadzieję że w niedalekiej przyszłości wpierdolę się pod TIR-a to będziesz miał okazję otworzyć szampana.
I only heard they are removing WMIC (geg) from W11 in 26H2
They've been removing it for years and it hasn't shipped since 22H2 because it's more of a security liability than it's worth. But I get it, even if MS fixed everything overnight, people would bitch, people bitch whenever anyone at Microsoft breathes. Microsoft derangement syndrome at it's finest. It's okay whenever Linux breaks it's ABI's though, Linux can do no wrong.
Firstly, you have no idea who you are talking to.
Then I'll keep in mind to never talk to you again to spare you my peasantry, o highness.
 
Then I'll keep in mind to never talk to you again to spare you my peasantry, o highness.
That clearly isn't what I meant. I was just saying I used to be a Microsoft apologist myself and made my money using their tech. You, like many people, like to pretend you are talking/arguing with someone else with whom you had a previous disagreement instead of actually addressing the complaint correctly.

The fact is that Microsoft themselves say that a Microsoft account is required for Windows 11 Pro installation for personal use.
Microsoft derangement syndrome at it's finest. It's okay whenever Linux breaks it's ABI's though, Linux can do no wrong.
It is as if I am reading posts I made myself in the past. If you are worried about such breakage, you should be using an LTS kernel.
 
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Something that I wanna whinge about: I found out that the WildTangent Fate games were available on GOG, so I snapped them all up in a heartbeat. My first exposure was on a Windows Vista family PC tower that shipped with the entire WildTangent demo suite where games like Polar Bowler and Blasterball are locked behind tokens, and fresh Windows installs only had like 2 coins to work with.

The #1 game I always played in those days right before broadband internet first became widely available was Polar Bowler, second being Polar Golfer. Y'know what's fucking mind-blowing? WildTangent as a company still exists. Their game platform still exists in the Year of Our Lord 2026. I absolutely adored playing Fate, but I could never play it long enough to get any real satisfaction because someone else always had to use the computer. I'm so fucking hype that I get to play this strange little bonehurt Diablo clone that ran at a solid 60fps even on a fucking Intel Celeron with like 512MB of RAM and on Windows Vista Home Basic like 19-21 years ago.

But then the obvious elephant in the room rears its head: WildTangent, why the fuck haven't you released any of the other classics on GOG?! The same kids who obsessively played that shit grew up and became adults who could now actually spend their own disposable income instead of their parents' on your shit. Everyone's fucking sick of subscription services. Let us buy the games outright man! Don't deny me my fix of Polar Bowler when it's sooooooo close.
 
Here's a few hot takes: there's nothing inherently wrong with Chromium and any problems are because of the program developers using it. Steam is a video game storefront and game launcher with some social features to play games with your friends, who gives a shit about your friends seeing you online, either suck it up for the installation process (how often are you reinstalling Steam that the ONE TIME it shows you as online is annoying?) or just remove all the friends you clearly aren't being social with.

You just want to be mad @Slav Power
Brave is great to use and runs off Chromium with manifest v2 extensions built in, so yeah most of the issues are from soydevs fucking it up because Chromium is supposed to be open source. Brave on mobile gives easy ad free youtube.

Steam is about the same as old Xbox Live in terms of social features so its not really anything new and is kind of a 20 year old concept. You can set steam to offline as well and run your games, if not you can install the Goldberg emulator and play it DRM free or crack it so I agree that is a non issue that can be easily be bypassed if need be. I don't pay attention to the activity feed ever and am amazed people do.

A hot take of mine is that Troonix is only good for gaming and I simply do not care about a lot of the more technical aspects. Steam also works way better on Troonix for some reason, like the on screen keyboard works better and the big picture UI is more responsive. I recently had my friend "downgrade" from 11 to 10 LTSC and it solved all of his issues. He plays games that do not work on troonix so I accept that Troonix is not always the answer even for gaming. Shaders compile in 10 seconds on Troonix for me and about 3 minutes on windows for me with every GPU driver update. If you cannot use Troonix that is understandable but 10 IOT Enterprise LTSC is the only acceptable solution because even the LTSC version of 11 got fucked by updates to be way more bloated. I still run Classic 7 in a VM and haven't fully abandoned windows and never will. If you are bothered by the Windows spyware and the issues it has but still need to use it for specific kinds of hardware and software, the answer is to run Windows in a VM and use USB passthrough for devices that will not work on Troonix. I have photoshop working in a VM. I get up to 120 more fps in some games on troonix so all I care about is that ProtonCachyOS gives me better performance on the same hardware. I am a practicalist and not a troonix evangelist.
 
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DirectX 12 doesn't work on 10 IOT LTSC (or at least it didn't for me when I was playing Fortnite). 10 IOT LTSC is also missing a bunch of other stuff, which has caused the latest version of LibreOffice to not work either.
I might need to upgrade to Windows 11 soon...
 
DirectX 12 doesn't work on 10 IOT LTSC (or at least it didn't for me when I was playing Fortnite).
I got it to work via optiscaler a few times to enable FSR 4 but it can be enabled, the retards behind modern DirectX stopped doing the old school redistributable installers for it which was how they got DirectX working on older systems in the past. It can be done but its just a bitch to do.

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I got the newest LibreOffice working in my Classic 7 VM, which is just 10 IOT LTSC with a windows 7 skin over it, so something else got fucked in your Win10 install somehow
 
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