US "The Squad" Megathread - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Talib Derangement Syndrome

I honestly only know about American politics from what I read on the Internet but since we all love shitting on leftists I figured we'd get a kick out of this. Also it's trending on Twitter so you know it's important.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...irect=on&noredirect=on&utm_term=.960552c9ba53

NEW YORK — Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a 28-year-old political novice running on a low budget and an unabashedly liberal platform, upset longtime U.S. Rep. Joseph Crowley on Tuesday in the Democratic congressional primary in New York.

The surprise victory by the community organizer in a district that includes parts of the Bronx and Queens came after an energetic, grassroots campaign that mustered more than enough support in a low-turnout race that many had expected to be an easy win for Crowley, a member of the Democratic House leadership.

“The community is ready for a movement of economic and social justice. That is what we tried to deliver,” said Ocasio-Cortez, who has never held elected office and whose candidacy attracted only modest media attention.

She told The Associated Press after her victory that she didn’t have enough money to do polling in the race, but felt in her gut that her message had a chance to connect.

“I live in this community. I organized in this community. I felt the absence of the incumbent. I knew he didn’t have a strong presence,” she said.

Crowley has been in Congress since 1999 and hadn’t faced an opponent in a primary election since 2004, when Ocasio-Cortez was just a teenager. He was considered a candidate to become the next House speaker if Democrats win the majority.

“It’s not about me,” Crowley, 56, told his supporters at a campaign party following his loss. “It’s about America. I want nothing but the best for Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. I want her to be victorious.”

He later played guitar with a band at the election night gathering, and dedicated the first song, Bruce Springsteen’s “Born to Run,” to Ocasio-Cortez.

Crowley represents New York’s 14th Congressional District, where he is also the leader of the Queens Democratic party.

Ocasio-Cortez was outspent by an 18-1 margin during her race but won the endorsement of some influential groups on the party’s far left, including MoveOn, as well as the actress Cynthia Nixon, who is running for governor. She defeated Crowley by 15 percentage points.

Born in the Bronx to a mother from Puerto Rico and a father who died in 2008, Ocasio-Cortez said she decided to challenge Crowley to push a more progressive stance on economic and other issues.

She attended Boston University, where she earned degrees in economics and international relations, and also spent time working in the office of the late U.S. Sen. Edward Kennedy.

After graduating, she returned to the Bronx where she became a community organizer. In the 2016 presidential campaign she worked for U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders.

Among her issues is expanding the Medicare program to people of all ages and abolishing Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. She recently went to Tornillo, Texas, to protest against policies that have separated parents from their children at the southern U.S. border.

Ocasio-Cortez gained some internet attention for a campaign video called “The Courage to Change,” a two-minute spot for which she wrote the script and featured footage from her own home.

Crowley is chair of the House Democratic Caucus, the fourth-highest ranking position in Democratic leadership in that chamber of Congress.

His loss drew the attention of President Donald Trump.

“Wow! Big Trump Hater Congressman Joe Crowley, who many expected was going to take Nancy Pelosi’s place, just LOST his primary election. In other words, he’s out! That is a big one that nobody saw happening. Perhaps he should have been nicer, and more respectful, to his President!” he tweeted.

The Republican candidate for the office, Anthony Pappas, is running unopposed and had no primary. Pappas teaches economics at St. John’s University.

She was a Bernie campaigner, is supported by BLM, and wants to abolish Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. Also this was in a solid-blue Congressional District so you know she's a shoo-in for next Congress.

But hey, we did get to see Trump laugh at Crowley on Twitter.

 

[It's HK-47]

You're not a nazi. You're pretty much just a standard conservative. Unfortunately you're catching flak for what the more extreme members of your side are doing. Your political leanings have essentially been hijacked to provide cover for extremists. Today's nazis don't call themselves nazis, for obvious reasons. They instead choose more gentle terms, like white identitarian, white nationalist, nationalist conservative, etc. They rely on people saying "oh well you just call everyone you don't like a nazi" to defend them. If you're getting called one you don't have to pretend to be one just to score gotcha points against libtards. Purge the fucking fash from your ranks.

How would the Conservatives do that any more than they already have? Conservatives rebuke white nationalism nearly every time they go up onto a podium; even Trump himself did so multiple times over this past week. There is absolutely no shortage of anyone in this country willing to point at the Far Right and go, "Get the fuck out of here." Even people like Paul Joseph Watson will do that, and he's swung off pretty far to the right, himself.

All forms of political extremism should be rebuked and scorned, but I can't help but notice that while so much emphasis is placed on calling out the Far Right at every twist and turn, the Left is so adamant about providing cover for Far Left extremism that they won't even say "Far Left extremism" out loud. Every left-leaning media outlet runs interference for Antifa, nearly every major Democratic candidate refuses to rebuke them, and people like Cortez--even following an attempted terrorist attack on an ICE facility from an Antifa member quoting her in his fucking manifesto-- is met with complete silence from the political Left.

The Right does plenty to purge out extremists in its ranks and tell them to piss off somewhere else. The Left seems perfectly content to harbor them, encourage them, and refuse to admit that they even exist.

 

[Stoneheart]

I do not think it is ok to kill non-whites to maintain a demographic majority. In fact, I think that race-mixing is probably the preferable way to avoid genetic impurities and build a healthy society ( free of racial strife ). However, since I also think that immigration should be confined to legal methods and that abortion is fundamentally murder (and also Planned Parenthood is a soft eugenics program against black Americans) that is enough to have me be called a nazi plenty of times.

What do you think about hand outs? to you like them? thats a major point about Nazis. they love to give stuff to poor people for votes.
thats why they invested heavyly into Cheap cars for everyone and a massive Cheap vacation program.

Today's nazis don't call themselves nazis, for obvious reasons. They instead choose more gentle terms, like white identitarian, white nationalist, nationalist conservative

Thats not the same, do they let in polish and jews? if yes they are not Nazis.
Also do they like Islam? if not, they are not Nazis.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

Shut up, Ashy.

 

[SmallTalk201]

White supremacy is actually really easy to define

yes it is. What it actually means is any one who doesn't obey the democrats or dare crictize them. Has nothing do with racism.

For example Apple computers is known for leftist sympathis es yet subcontract s with a Chinese company named foxcom with working conditions so bad the workers try to commit suicide daily. To me the idea of some white
bourgeoisie telling folks they are racist yet is the reason why non whites are killing themselves is a bit absurd.

Yet if I bring that up on left wing forums I get called "nazi".

second thing the reason why you yammering on about "white supremacy"
is because you think non white are easy to control. As in dumb. as in easily suckered. That why you favor them so much. How this any different then an alt righter yammering on about race and iq and the like?

 

[Sped Xing]

Why does the phrase "white supremacy" always draw all the furry avatars out of the woodwork?

 

[Dante Alighieri]

Why does the phrase "white supremacy" always draw all the furry avatars out of the woodwork?

They're trying to find people to be better than.

 

[A Logging Company]

You're not a nazi. You're pretty much just a standard conservative. Unfortunately you're catching flak for what the more extreme members of your side are doing. Your political leanings have essentially been hijacked to provide cover for extremists. Today's nazis don't call themselves nazis, for obvious reasons. They instead choose more gentle terms, like white identitarian, white nationalist, nationalist conservative, etc. They rely on people saying "oh well you just call everyone you don't like a nazi" to defend them. If you're getting called one you don't have to pretend to be one just to score gotcha points against libtards. Purge the fucking fash from your ranks.

What about people who belivie in limiting immigration on the grounds of undercutting labor, crime, problems with cultural integration and such, but are not worried about whites becoming a minority.

 

[vertexwindi]

Guys don't be mean to Ashy. She's a good poster and my best friend.

 

[Casey0714]

Another thing is their misguided attempts at being anti-fascists. In order to be a fascist, one must be both a nationalist and an authoritarian. While largely nationalists, the American right-wing are mostly anti-authoritarian aside from the fringe minority of ethnonationalists. Those on the left are mistakenly labeling simple nationalism as fascism without meeting the prerequisites while at the same time being the very authoritarian establishment they despise in favor of a psuedo-nationalist ideal of a globalist agenda rather than an ethnonationalist one.

 

[Sped Xing]

I'm about as fascist as Demosthenes.

People who think me calling something disgusting or degenerate means I think it should be illegal make me think the left is crawling with authoritarians.

By your definition, they aren't fascists because they hate their own country and have a bizarre masochistic streak. It's a distinction, but hardly a praiseworthy one.

 

[Dracula's Spirit Animal]

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The cult-like love-bombing is kind of creepy.

 

[Casey0714]

I'm about as fascist as Demosthenes.

People who think me calling something disgusting or degenerate means I think it should be illegal make me think the left is crawling with authoritarians.

By your definition, they aren't fascists because they hate their own country and have a bizarre masochistic streak. It's a distinction, but hardly a praiseworthy one.

Correct. It is kinda odd how similar the left have become to the traditional right they oppose though. Rather than an established religion, they've kinda inadvertantly created a deity out of the idea of diversity that have led them to partake in the same psuedo-religious fervor and rather than being nationalists, the globalist agenda's globalist state is something of a Utopian ideal forming a ideological nation they seek to create and hold alliance to. If they ever became successful in creating it, they would then become nationalists and fall under the fascist definition by continuing to meet the authoritarian prerequisite.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

White supremacy is actually really easy to define, especially in this most recent instance. Its a bit disingenuous to claim that the definition of white supremacy has been watered down and muddied when shooters keep posting manifestos where their aims are made explicitly clear.

White supremacy includes the belief that whites are superior to other races, that "western civilization" cannot be continued to by non-whites, and that violence is justified in keeping a country majority-white. White supremacists view non-whites as invaders in their country (even when they're here legally) and view high birthrates amongst non-whites as a fundamental threat that must be up-ended through either political or violent means. A white supremacist's political ideology and beliefs are driven by a direct desire to keep whites a majority at all costs. None of this is particularly new or very deep.

And we don't like that you project all of these things onto every person who simply doesn't like the Democrats' tax plan, or because we believe that your identity politics that prioritizes whoever you've decided is currently the biggest victim at the expense of victimizing other victims that you championed for five minutes prior. You call us white supremacist supporters because we are performing real liberalism that you wanted us to do yesterday but it contradicts what you've arbitrarily changed to today. We always have to live by black-and-white morality where if we do one little thing you don't like it means we are responsible for every evil in the world, yet you and your tribe gets to have infinite shades of grey. Every time we point out the awful shit that results from your ideals you just brush it off as being a necessary drawback and you still get to call yourselves morally correct. I think you honestly believe that if you could press a magic button to kill 500 people in a school somewhere and it would make the next cop killing an innocent not happen it would be okay for you to do it, but if I say "blacks should be treated equally to whites" I am now somehow guilty of ruining the world.

Your entire ideology demands that we always submit ourselves to you and whatever you want 100% and pretend only your concerns and priorities matter and ours never do. And you still have the nerve to wonder why you face resistance? People like me were all on board with you when you were mocking the Bush administration and the Republicans' "if you don't support us then the terrorists win" rhetoric. Now you are the ones saying "if you don't support us the terrorists white supremacists win". And so long as you are incapable of understanding that you are susceptible to the same egomania as your opponents, you'll keep losing.

yes it is. What it actually means is any one who doesn't obey the democrats or dare crictize them. Has nothing do with racism.

For example Apple computers is known for leftist sympathis es yet subcontract s with a Chinese company named foxcom with working conditions so bad the workers try to commit suicide daily. To me the idea of some white
bourgeoisie telling folks they are racist yet is the reason why non whites are killing themselves is a bit absurd.

Yet if I bring that up on left wing forums I get called "nazi".

second thing the reason why you yammering on about "white supremacy"
is because you think non white are easy to control. As in dumb. as in easily suckered. That why you favor them so much. How this any different then an alt righter yammering on about race and iq and the like?

Exactly my point. @Ashy the Angel you honestly seem to believe that nonwhite people are all savage child races that need to be corralled and controlled. When progs cry "white supremacy" their only complaint seems to be that nonwhites aren't being controlled in the correct way. And then whenever a black person dares to buck the yoke and express conservative thought or whatever the progressive war machine loses its mind, how dare this uncle tom deny our superiority and leave the plantation. It's like God in the Bible telling dissident sinners that they will face eternal damnation for not accepting His holy love. Social justice is a blind and judgmental religion exactly like that. Go talk to an actual young black person and admit that all this social justice reeeing is just a bunch of wealthy white kids with no real problems trying to one-up each other, I doubt you'll find a single one who disagrees with that. All of this crap is just white man's burden in a politically correct gloss.

Like @SmallTalk201 says you'll cry day and night about reparations for 19th century slavery or Russian hackers because that's what the mob has decided is currently popular, but if we bring up how you all play with a bunch of Apple toys that are manufactured for you by real slave labor that exists now and is used by hypocritical lying false-progressive tech companies now we get called bigots, because slavery that made cotton is an easier target than slavery that makes toys you'd have to give up. Cotton isn't fun to play with like smartphones but even then you don't have to give it up because we now have cotton that's not made by American slave labor, but unlike the shirts you buy at Target there's no similar ethical alternative that lets you keep your phones so *waves magic wand* ta-da, now the labor conditions employed by the woke-because-their-PR-department-tells-you-they-are media monopolies you support just isn't a priority. How convenient, you can be righteous and keep your fun too!

Bring up how young black kids are getting slaughtered by each other in the streets and are given no actual help to break the cycle and we get called racist, because mass shootings are only news when it happens in your schools and malls instead of in "the hood" which is far away enough that you don't need to worry about it. What good luck - you can look good for being opposed to gun violence, and still not look bad for being critical of black culture too!

Bring up how black and latino and muslim culture all oppress women terribly and those women get zero help from white man's burdeneers who tell them "no that's your culture, that's what you believe" and we get called sexist, because admitting that nonwhite cultures also practice bad behavior and can be held responsible for their own actions just as much as white people can be breaks this illusory contract you have that you'll leave them alone so long as they blindly vote for your racist leaders, and strays dangerously close to admitting that your promise to handle their problems for them and make their lives better hasn't been working. But that's okay, so long as you can show off that you're a crusader for race rights progress while not letting anyone else with different ideas in that club! Not only does doing nothing to address those real issues in these communities make you good, it actually makes you better than all the other white people because you get to have a monopoly on being good! You get to win the contest!

You all arbitrarily decide which social justice subjects are important and which ones are not and gee what a coincidence, the only important ones are always the ones that require other people to change the way they live but never you or your tribe.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

You're not a nazi. You're pretty much just a standard conservative. Unfortunately you're catching flak for what the more extreme members of your side are doing. Your political leanings have essentially been hijacked to provide cover for extremists. Today's nazis don't call themselves nazis, for obvious reasons. They instead choose more gentle terms, like white identitarian, white nationalist, nationalist conservative, etc. They rely on people saying "oh well you just call everyone you don't like a nazi" to defend them. If you're getting called one you don't have to pretend to be one just to score gotcha points against libtards. Purge the fucking fash from your ranks.

Hey look, Motte and Bailey in action!

I forget which is which, but fuck it.

Here's Ashy retreating to the logical... motte position. White supremicists aka "nazis" are people who want to kill nonwhites or otherwise prevent nonwhites from controlling western society, and those people are bad and racist.
Yeah, that's a position most normal people won't disagree with. The thing is, in this position, the numbers of actual "Nazis" is really small, because we're just talking about actual for real violent white supremacists, or at least those who sympathise with them.

Then, later, he will return to the illogical bailey position. All you trump supporters are nazis! Of course, when pressed, he'll admit any individual trump supporter isn't a nazi, it's just those other nazis making them look bad. Which nazis? Everyone knows conservatives are all nazis!

Hey Ashy, read this: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Motte_and_bailey

Shockingly logical, at least in its definition and examples. I don't think you can accuse that of being a right wing source though.

Don't you want to actually argue well? I imagine you have some point you're trying to prove, or some conclusion you'd like people to draw, but until you learn to formulate a non-shit argument you're just going to be written off as an idiot and/or troll.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

Hey look, Motte and Bailey in action!

I forget which is which, but fuck it.

Here's Ashy retreating to the logical... motte position. White supremicists aka "nazis" are people who want to kill nonwhites or otherwise prevent nonwhites from controlling western society, and those people are bad and racist.
Yeah, that's a position most normal people won't disagree with. The thing is, in this position, the numbers of actual "Nazis" is really small, because we're just talking about actual for real violent white supremacists, or at least those who sympathise with them.

Then, later, he will return to the illogical bailey position. All you trump supporters are nazis! Of course, when pressed, he'll admit any individual trump supporter isn't a nazi, it's just those other nazis making them look bad. Which nazis? Everyone knows conservatives are all nazis!

Hey Ashy, read this: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Motte_and_bailey

Shockingly logical, at least in its definition and examples. I don't think you can accuse that of being a right wing source though.

Don't you want to actually argue well? I imagine you have some point you're trying to prove, or some conclusion you'd like people to draw, but until you learn to formulate a non-shit argument you're just going to be written off as an idiot and/or troll.

Dude, he's got you. The definition of nazi literally means "this guy posts a link to rationalwiki.org". Hitler did it all the time on message boards in the 30s. Checkmate, fascist.

 

[Jigglyjogglers]

Checkmate, fashy.

Fixed. Can't be a proper Internet Antifa Warrior if you don't use terminology that makes you sound like you're the activist version of an instathot with her hair in pigtails wearing clothes from the junior miss section.

 

[Stoneheart]

Then, later, he will return to the illogical bailey position. All you trump supporters are nazis! Of course, when pressed, he'll admit any individual trump supporter isn't a nazi, it's just those other nazis making them look bad. Which nazis? Everyone knows conservatives are all nazis!

This is very offensive! Im not a Nazi, i just want to go back to the good old times.
Just basic right for peasants, a colonial empire to rule over lesser human races, a Hohenzollern as Kaiser, etc.
thats the opposite of what Nazis want..

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

How would the Conservatives do that any more than they already have? Conservatives rebuke white nationalism nearly every time they go up onto a podium; even Trump himself did so multiple times over this past week. There is absolutely no shortage of anyone in this country willing to point at the Far Right and go, "Get the fuck out of here." Even people like Paul Joseph Watson will do that, and he's swung off pretty far to the right, himself.

Yeah; I don't think Ashy really has any clue who their supposed opposition actually is. I suspect that's true of most people who sling terms like "nazi" and "white supremacist" around in casual company with terms like "conservatives" or "republicans".

But, I mean, that's understandable. It's so important to them that the narrative be true that little details like facts just need to be plastered over with ignorance or conspiracy theories.

There's a reason most of us rarely bother to denounce white nationalism, though. And it's not that we support it. It's because, just like you see when Trump tries to do it - denouncing it just proves, to people who throw those accusations around, that you actually are supporting it, and you're just trying to cover your ass, while secretly sending out dogwhistles and subliminal fucking messages.

The other reason we general don't bother is because it's like asking someone to denounce Flat Earthism.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Purge the fucking fash from your ranks.

Purge the commies and anarchists from your ranks.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

Then, later, he will return to the illogical bailey position. All you trump supporters are nazis! Of course, when pressed, he'll admit any individual trump supporter isn't a nazi, it's just those other nazis making them look bad. Which nazis? Everyone knows conservatives are all nazis!

Not true!

Some of us get elevated to "nazi water-boy"!

I think that means I outrank all of you people who are only Nazi-by-association.