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Seriously. Humanity needs to establish a colony on the far closer moon before tackling the far more problematic in the short term but higher potential in the long term Mars. We need to have proven long term habitation buildings, hydroponic food farms, labratories in low gravity, EVERYTHING in low gravity working before tackling Mars.

VISITING Mars, absolutely we should do it and soon but Musk et al. are foolishly optimistic and begging for a failure if they try to establish a colony so far away from resupply and/or rescue first.
We are.

Elon not long ago said they are shifting to focus on the moon first since it's closer and easier and then focus on Mars. Apparently very recently he's talking about manufacturing solar panels on the moon and mining the silicon on the moon to do so.
 
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If we can manufacture space ships on the moon from lunar material that's a total game changer for accessing the rest of the solar system because virtually all the energy we currently use to go to space is just for getting out of Earth's atmosphere and gravity well.

It's a very big "if" though.
 
It's a very big "if" though.
I wrote a long napkin math post about Earth-Mars versus Earth-moon-Mars transfer costs and then I realised yeah you probably could just huck shit from the moon (like with a damn trebuchet now that I think of it) into an Earth parking orbit pretty cheaply.
Or even better, on an intercept with wherever you're going so you've got some Ikea assembly to do on the way.

I dunno about manufacturing the lightest fucking part of a vehicle there and expecting it to work better than calculator solar cells, but just making structural tubes and toilets out of moon-crete probably would be economical. Stuff you don't mind not being made out of space-age iso-laminate-whatever if it saves you a few percent overall and ends up adding leg room.
 
I wrote a long napkin math post about Earth-Mars versus Earth-moon-Mars transfer costs and then I realised yeah you probably could just huck shit from the moon (like with a damn trebuchet now that I think of it) into an Earth parking orbit pretty cheaply.
Or even better, on an intercept with wherever you're going so you've got some Ikea assembly to do on the way.

I dunno about manufacturing the lightest fucking part of a vehicle there and expecting it to work better than calculator solar cells, but just making structural tubes and toilets out of moon-crete probably would be economical. Stuff you don't mind not being made out of space-age iso-laminate-whatever if it saves you a few percent overall and ends up adding leg room.
There's aluminum on the moon. And silicon refineries need a vacuum and environments with no contaminants. Maybe some of that stuff would be easier on the moon? I've read some sci fi and old NASA documents about using the moon as a pit stop. Your post too. Find more ice and you can make hydrogen to gas up a larger rocket that takes less fuel to break from the 1/6th gravity on the moons.
 
I'm sorry to ask such a dumb question, but yes i Saw in reddit a thread asking why we should colonize Mars or what brings to the table colonizing mars and everyone on reddit was saying "there is no necessity is all dumb if you can colonize Mars you can fix earth and never leave it" and i feel that is true in some part but is the reddit nihilism that all those redditors say it that kinda bothers me off, so in general i'm asking the kiwis if all of you have a response on why we need to colonize mars?
Main practical reason is that mars has lower gravity and is closer to the asteroid belt. We know of multiple asteroids that contain more gold, iron, nickel and whatever else you might think of than there is on earth.

No matter if we go the space colonization route or the mega structure route we need that shit sooner or later.
 
We are.

Elon not long ago said they are shifting to focus on the moon first since it's closer and easier and then focus on Mars. Apparently very recently he's talking about manufacturing solar panels on the moon and mining the silicon on the moon to do so.

The zero atmosphere on the moon makes it easier to launch stuff too. You arent working with air friction going up.

We need 2 big things done before mining the moon and building proper interplanetary ships become a reality. If it's going to be done properly we need infrastructure that will survive longer than some unhinged billionaires' dream. (1) We need a skyhook or "space elevator" built somewhere on the equator which is just a big ol cable attached to a counterweight in space to slowly brrrrrr up big heavy loads that rockets can't handle. Once all the heavy shit is there we need (2) something solid at the L1 lagrange point between the moon and earth to start building things on, like a captured asteroid where the gravity between earth and the moon are null. Taking equipment and resources back and forth between the earth and moon is retarded and these baby steps need to be taken first

If all the world's governments got together and quit fighting so many wars, we could have those two main parts built within a decade. But that creates two new problems if we do it right now: the elevator cable would probably last just long enough to put an Indian Spawn Point up there before snapping from all the shitty Chinesium building materials
 
The orbital stage will also be capable of in orbit refueling, making the vessel critically important for Lunar and solar orbit missions in the future.
This is what it's intended to do. SpaceX still hasn't solved the fuel transfer problem, although they are said to be close to in-flight testing of their design.
 
I like to think the people running SpaceX are world class experts in tard wrangling Musk to keep him from touching the rockets. They probably have a shaman from the depths of the Amazon rainforest to distract him whenever he shows up by taking him a hallucenoginic journey far away from the boffins making cool shit.
 
I'm sorry to ask such a dumb question, but yes i Saw in reddit a thread asking why we should colonize Mars or what brings to the table colonizing mars and everyone on reddit was saying "there is no necessity is all dumb if you can colonize Mars you can fix earth and never leave it" and i feel that is true in some part but is the reddit nihilism that all those redditors say it that kinda bothers me off, so in general i'm asking the kiwis if all of you have a response on why we need to colonize mars?
Just tell them its so we can get away from niggers, theyll understand. But beyond that I think that its inevitable. We eventually moved beyond our tiny islands and we will eventually move beyond this planet. Im sure there were people crying about wasting money on discovering new lands back then too. There were so many lives and resources lost on these trips.

Northwest passage and columbus expedition were called ruinous money pits. Many went bankrupt but we're still here today. I think it takes a tremendous amount of failure to eventually get us to where we need to go and so even if starship fails it was still a tremendous success in being the first to atleast try it.
 
m asking the kiwis if all of you have a response on why we need to colonize mars?
Just to see if we can. There doesn't have to be a reason but to do it for its own sake. Why did people summit the tallest mountains? Every endevour like this gives us so many incredible technologies as a side effect, even recontextualizing past knowledge to apply to other problems.

Reddittard fedora atheist nihilists saying "what's the point it's just rocks there's nothing there and what if we just explode anyway" are content to live in a safe little box, unchallenged for their whole lives. It's dumb nigger time vortex thinking that can't comprehend five minutes into a future where we might end up with a beneficial technology we didn't realize we needed on Earth as a side effect.
 
Just to see if we can. There doesn't have to be a reason but to do it for its own sake. Why did people summit the tallest mountains? Every endevour like this gives us so many incredible technologies as a side effect, even recontextualizing past knowledge to apply to other problems.

Reddittard fedora atheist nihilists saying "what's the point it's just rocks there's nothing there and what if we just explode anyway" are content to live in a safe little box, unchallenged for their whole lives. It's dumb nigger time vortex thinking that can't comprehend five minutes into a future where we might end up with a beneficial technology we didn't realize we needed on Earth as a side effect.
How many materials alone are we using in everyday devices because the space age required them? A small example, I have a pocket knife with 154CM stainless steel. It was developed in 1959 for the Air Force for high temperature applications. NASA was founded in 1959. This is a special steel made in a complete vacuum, while held in place using magnets during smelting. That's just a single example, we need challenges to make materials to meet those challenges.
 
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In other news we still on schedule for today's launch at 1830 ET.
I hope this launch works. The most important thing is that it gets off the pad since any problems afterwards can be quickly remedied. However, the pad took forever to build. I don't think people realize how big of a deal this launch is since the previous versions of the rocket were purely test vehicles that were never meant to actually carry cargo while Starship 3.0 can be put into service once the inevitable gremlins in the system are found and fixed.
 
I hope this launch works. The most important thing is that it gets off the pad since any problems afterwards can be quickly remedied. However, the pad took forever to build. I don't think people realize how big of a deal this launch is since the previous versions of the rocket were purely test vehicles that were never meant to actually carry cargo while Starship 3.0 can be put into service once the inevitable gremlins in the system are found and fixed.
Hopefully they made the pad more durable too. This thing puts out so much force that previous tests vaporized the launch platforms. AUGH YEAH
 
Do many people in this thread play Kerbal Space Program? I've been thinking of making a thread dedicated to it for ages. I'd love to show some of my builds and missions.
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Probably 3x that actually because it doesn't have DRM so I was playing a "demo" a lot before buying it and then after it got launched from exe directly quite often. I stopped playing because I got tired of kraken and performance being crap when doing anything meaningful.
Let's wait and see how KSA does, so far it looks like KSP2 that never was. {ispoiler} Let's not talk about that abortion of a game.[/ispoiler]
 
How many materials alone are we using in everyday devices because the space age required them? A small example, I have a pocket knife with 154CM stainless steel. It was developed in 1959 for the Air Force for high temperature applications. NASA was founded in 1959. This is a special steel made in a complete vacuum, while held in place using magnets during smelting. That's just a single example, we need challenges to make materials to meet those challenges.
Wright Patterson is home of the Air Force Research Laboratory that does research and development of air weapons. So you can thank the Cold War for both stainless steel and NASA.
 
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