The Quietly Changing Consensus on Neutering Dogs

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In the 1970s, a time when tens of millions of unwanted dogs were being euthanized in the United States annually, an orthodoxy began to take hold: Spay and neuter early. Spay and neuter everything. It’s what vets were taught. It’s what responsible pet owners were told to do.

A growing body of research, however, suggests that spaying and neutering—especially in some large breeds when very young—are linked to certain disorders later in life. “As time has gone on, vets are starting to question the wisdom,” says Missy Simpson, a veterinary epidemiologist with the Morris Animal Foundation, which recently published a study that found higher rates of obesity and orthopedic injury in golden retrievers that had been fixed. Other studies have linked early spaying and neutering to certain cancers, joint disorders, and urinary incontinence—though the risks tend to vary by sex, breed, and living circumstances. As such, the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) now says in a guide for veterinarians, “There is no single recommendation that would be appropriate for all dogs.”

And yet anyone adopting from a shelter is unlikely to be told of these risks—or even to be given a choice. Today, according to the AVMA, 31 states and the District of Columbia require sterilization or a promise of such before pets can be adopted out of shelters. The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA) also advocates early spaying or neutering of all companion animals at two months or two pounds in weight. Its information page for pet owners touts the very real benefits of the procedures—behavioral changes, fewer uterine infections, a decreased risk of certain cancers—but with nary a mention of possible downsides.

For animal-welfare groups trying to manage unwanted populations, this strategy makes a kind of sense. “We’re trying to look at the big picture,” says Lori Bierbrier, the medical director of the ASPCA. “One of the ways to manage that population is not to have animals going out and having puppies and kittens all the time.” For dogs that already have an owner, she says, whether to spay or neuter is that owner’s individual decision. But that also makes talking about the research reevaluating the risks of spaying and neutering tricky. How do you balance raising concerns about risks for individual dogs with the welfare of dogs as a whole?

“Oh my gosh, we got pushback,” says Benjamin Hart, a professor emeritus at the University of California at Davis School of Veterinary Medicine. In 2013, a team led by Hart and his wife and collaborator, Lynette Hart, published a study that found higher rates of joint disorders in golden retrievers spayed or neutered before one year of age and of certain cancers in female golden retrievers that were spayed early. It immediately caused an uproar. “This is irresponsible,” Hart recalls critics saying. “You’re looking at just one breed. You can’t generalize.”

So they started looking at other breeds. The Harts have since published two follow-up papers, on Labrador retrievers and German shepherds, also finding an elevated risk of joint disorders but not of cancers after early spaying and neutering. And they have just finished another study, on 35 different dog breeds as well as mixed breeds. The risks of cancers and joint disorders appear to vary significantly by breed and sex, Hart says, with small dogs generally less affected by early neutering.

The takeaway, Hart says, is that when to spay or neuter should be a case-by-case decision, even for dogs adopted out of shelters. Simpson, of the Morris Animal Foundation, says that vets have already, based on recent research, started recommending delaying spaying and neutering for owners of large breeds. Puppies in shelters, though, might not get the same individual attention.

The risk of obesity, Simpson adds, is often the major concern for vets making spaying or neutering recommendations. Somewhere between a quarter to a third of pets in the United States are now obese. The link between obesity and spaying or neutering has to do with hormones. Removing a dog’s testicles or ovaries disrupts its hormonal balance, and this makes it both hungrier and slows its metabolism to require fewer calories. Yet animal-welfare groups that promote spaying and neutering are often quick to “debunk” the idea that fixing a dog could make it gain weight. The ASPCA’s website says, “Lack of exercise and overfeeding will cause your pet to pack on the extra pounds—not neutering.” This is technically true, but it elides a very real biological connection that owners might find useful to know.

When I brought this up with Bierbrier, she said the ASPCA staff would have to look into updating the website. She added that the ASPCA’s spay-and-neuter clinic does tell owners taking dogs home after the surgeries that their pets will require less food.

Elsewhere in the world, spaying and neutering is not necessarily seen as the “responsible” thing to do. It is heavily discouraged in parts of Europe, such as Norway. Those countries also have very few stray dogs and a far less casual relationship with dog ownership.

Dogs that have not been fixed are, to put it one way, less convenient pets. Intact male dogs will want to roam in search of a mate; female dogs will go into heat and have bloody discharge. The campaign to spay and neuter dogs has also changed their very relationship to us as pets.


 
Is it too late to get my vasectomy undone?

Kidding aside, we had a huge problem with feral cats until my neighbor and I started HavaHart trapping them, getting them neutered/spayed, and then released. Was always heartbreaking to find squished ones, abandoned litters of kittens, etc. We no longer have a feral population, so in some instances, I firmly advocate spay/neuter. But for dogs? Your choice, but unless you're specifically going to breed them, I still think it's a good thing for their health and temperament overall.
 
But creating human castrati because of genderfeels is totally different, innit? Here's an idea, don't fucking feed your pet so much if you don't want them to get fat? My grandma's dog went unfixed its whole life, and then her uterus got some kind of infection and it killed her (the dog, not my grandma).

See if you're singing the same tune when all of a sudden out of nowhere birds end up on the endangered species list because feral cats went above and beyond their hunting drive and also bred like crazy, or end up like one of those southeast asian countries where feral cats' tails are docked because they're constantly coated in shit.
 
Agreed with the premise that neutering and spaying should be dealt with case by case, at least for those animals adopted into homes. The obesity issue is real and my family has had both dogs and cats who've just ballooned after neutering even with careful control of what they eat and their exercise. If the animal's temperament demands it (e.g. they're marking everything or too aggressive) or is living with others of the opposite sex and you don't want puppies (or kittens) it's still a good idea to get them fixed, but otherwise I'm with putting some thought into the decision before committing.

That's only for individual house pets though; feral populations should still ideally be neutered to keep their numbers down.
 
Why can't they just give dogs vascectomies?
I'm assuming it's mostly about laziness or not caring that much about quality of life of the dog. Since it is possible and appears to be a rarely done procedure for dogs, but a lot of veterinarians don't seem interested in promoting the practice.
 
Bob Barker is rolling in his grave.
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Any retard that's advocating for this has never spent time in a country where feral packs of dogs are common.
 
Like the article says, for owners it depends on the circumstances of the animal. All my spayed/neutered cats are fat, the one which isn't is at a normal weight.

I delayed having her spayed becasue I wanted her to get estrogen for her bone but then came coronavirus. Having her go into season is extremely annoying though and I'm having her spayed as soon as possible.
 
Bob Barker is rolling in his grave.
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Any retard that's advocating for this has never spent time in a country where feral packs of dogs are common.

Did you read the article?

They're saying that instead of getting your golden neutered at 2 months, you should wait until he's a year old, and for that year, you should keep him from knocking up bitches.

They are not saying that you should send your dog to Fuck Island for his morale.

Americans are not letting their goldens breed indiscriminately; that's all pits and chihuahuas.

(And the reason why I posted this is that the same people who think "Hmm, maybe I shouldn't neuter my dog when he's still a little guy because it's bad for his health" are some of the same people who are like "I'm going to give my 8-year-old Lupron and get him fake tiddies at 12.")
 
Instead of spaying and neutering they should give them drugs at birth to make them gay, boy dogs redrocketing and rumphumping other boys dogs and girl dogs licking dog twat.

Not only will this avoid the complications presented by spay/neuter but the dogs will better fit in to the time period and be happier, also it may help some bigots come around to the idea of lgbtq equality. (Just kidding, it will just piss off the bigots but that's even better.)
 
I've noticed that dogs who are spayed or neutered tend to get lazier, and it makes sense to me that they get fatter. I believe there's a biological reason for their decrease in activity: when you remove the ability to reproduce from an organism, there's less of a reason for that organism to "go the extra mile" and show off how capable, how athletic, how fit, how intelligent, or how desirable the organism is. Because the sex drive is no longer present, there's less of an excuse to go around and do things that might impress the opposite sex. I would liken it to women hitting menopause and gaining certain personality changes that are considered stereotypes or tropes (such as: decreased physical fitness, less of an inclination to dress up or make themselves attractive, etc.), but I feel that certain people would take umbrage.

When you spay or neuter them at too young an age, their hormones are bound to get fucked up. I like to leave my dogs intact because I've noticed significant long-term personality changes when dogs get spayed/neutered.
(And the reason why I posted this is that the same people who think "Hmm, maybe I shouldn't neuter my dog when he's still a little guy because it's bad for his health" are some of the same people who are like "I'm going to give my 8-year-old Lupron and get him fake tiddies at 12.")
How odd that I agree that I shouldn't neuter or spay dogs too young, but that I don't agree with HRT or elective "gender" surgery for children.
 
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I just assume anyone really vocal about not getting cats and dogs fixed is a zoophile until proven otherwise. Mr. Hands and that fat furry fuck that finally died a couple years back that ran an anti spay/neuter site and a dog rape site taught me pretty young about zoophiles and how they tend to be against spaying and neutering (because it makes animals harder to rape).
 
People let their animals roam too much or just plain suck at making sure they don't escape. There are way too many unwanted pets as is and you can't count on everyone to be responsible.

The only reason why we never got our German shepherd neutered was that he kept having to have ear surgery from rampant infections and abscesses because we found in in a horrifying state. It took years for all of the skin and ear problems to subside and they never truly went away. Since he had drains in his ears off and on and went through a lot the vet said to hold off. Then when he got older we just didn't bother.

The rottweiler was found and then surrendered to find the owner. we adopted her because she went unclaimed. The shelter spayed her. All shelter animals are fixed even if you surrender with the intention of adopting if its unclaimed. She developed a leaky bladder after a few years. She was probably less than six months old when we got her. She was really upset when she leaked too. She hated being any kind of messy.

The black lab was never fixed and developed extensive uterine cancer with a visible mass.

All our female cats got chunky after spaying. But we only had two fat males.

Before we got one of the male cats neutered he would go down into the basement and spray anything he could find. Yet the stray who lived in the basement during the winter never did. We would just let him in and he'd lay near the gas pipes. Female cats are also very annoying when in heat.

I guess some of the behavior depends on the animal's breed and personality.
 
People don't just spay and neuter animals to limit their reproductive capabilities, it also has a big impact on their behavior. I don't know about dogs, but unfixed male cats will spray all around the house and get into a lot of fights with other cats as a result of territorial aggression, for instance.
 
The idea of not spaying/neutering immediately is interesting and makes a certain amount of sense. After all with puberty blockers on "transkids" we're see all kinds of issues with development and spay/neuter before the animals hit sexual maturity seems to be a reasonable parallel.

I think I'm okay with the more nuanced position of "spay/neuter a bit later in life" if it means long term health is positively impacted. But probably want to make sure you get them spayed/neutered pronto after that development occurs, feral cat populations aren't fun to deal with and catmissiles destroying your window/door screens in an attempt to go fuck, and pissing everywhere, doesn't seem like a positive contribution to most households.
 
I dunno, never had a non-neutered dog. I'm not sure I'd want a big ass dog raping pillows and shit to get his rocks off.
 
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