The Quietly Changing Consensus on Neutering Dogs

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In the 1970s, a time when tens of millions of unwanted dogs were being euthanized in the United States annually, an orthodoxy began to take hold: Spay and neuter early. Spay and neuter everything. It’s what vets were taught. It’s what responsible pet owners were told to do.

A growing body of research, however, suggests that spaying and neutering—especially in some large breeds when very young—are linked to certain disorders later in life. “As time has gone on, vets are starting to question the wisdom,” says Missy Simpson, a veterinary epidemiologist with the Morris Animal Foundation, which recently published a study that found higher rates of obesity and orthopedic injury in golden retrievers that had been fixed. Other studies have linked early spaying and neutering to certain cancers, joint disorders, and urinary incontinence—though the risks tend to vary by sex, breed, and living circumstances. As such, the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) now says in a guide for veterinarians, “There is no single recommendation that would be appropriate for all dogs.”

And yet anyone adopting from a shelter is unlikely to be told of these risks—or even to be given a choice. Today, according to the AVMA, 31 states and the District of Columbia require sterilization or a promise of such before pets can be adopted out of shelters. The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA) also advocates early spaying or neutering of all companion animals at two months or two pounds in weight. Its information page for pet owners touts the very real benefits of the procedures—behavioral changes, fewer uterine infections, a decreased risk of certain cancers—but with nary a mention of possible downsides.

For animal-welfare groups trying to manage unwanted populations, this strategy makes a kind of sense. “We’re trying to look at the big picture,” says Lori Bierbrier, the medical director of the ASPCA. “One of the ways to manage that population is not to have animals going out and having puppies and kittens all the time.” For dogs that already have an owner, she says, whether to spay or neuter is that owner’s individual decision. But that also makes talking about the research reevaluating the risks of spaying and neutering tricky. How do you balance raising concerns about risks for individual dogs with the welfare of dogs as a whole?

“Oh my gosh, we got pushback,” says Benjamin Hart, a professor emeritus at the University of California at Davis School of Veterinary Medicine. In 2013, a team led by Hart and his wife and collaborator, Lynette Hart, published a study that found higher rates of joint disorders in golden retrievers spayed or neutered before one year of age and of certain cancers in female golden retrievers that were spayed early. It immediately caused an uproar. “This is irresponsible,” Hart recalls critics saying. “You’re looking at just one breed. You can’t generalize.”

So they started looking at other breeds. The Harts have since published two follow-up papers, on Labrador retrievers and German shepherds, also finding an elevated risk of joint disorders but not of cancers after early spaying and neutering. And they have just finished another study, on 35 different dog breeds as well as mixed breeds. The risks of cancers and joint disorders appear to vary significantly by breed and sex, Hart says, with small dogs generally less affected by early neutering.

The takeaway, Hart says, is that when to spay or neuter should be a case-by-case decision, even for dogs adopted out of shelters. Simpson, of the Morris Animal Foundation, says that vets have already, based on recent research, started recommending delaying spaying and neutering for owners of large breeds. Puppies in shelters, though, might not get the same individual attention.

The risk of obesity, Simpson adds, is often the major concern for vets making spaying or neutering recommendations. Somewhere between a quarter to a third of pets in the United States are now obese. The link between obesity and spaying or neutering has to do with hormones. Removing a dog’s testicles or ovaries disrupts its hormonal balance, and this makes it both hungrier and slows its metabolism to require fewer calories. Yet animal-welfare groups that promote spaying and neutering are often quick to “debunk” the idea that fixing a dog could make it gain weight. The ASPCA’s website says, “Lack of exercise and overfeeding will cause your pet to pack on the extra pounds—not neutering.” This is technically true, but it elides a very real biological connection that owners might find useful to know.

When I brought this up with Bierbrier, she said the ASPCA staff would have to look into updating the website. She added that the ASPCA’s spay-and-neuter clinic does tell owners taking dogs home after the surgeries that their pets will require less food.

Elsewhere in the world, spaying and neutering is not necessarily seen as the “responsible” thing to do. It is heavily discouraged in parts of Europe, such as Norway. Those countries also have very few stray dogs and a far less casual relationship with dog ownership.

Dogs that have not been fixed are, to put it one way, less convenient pets. Intact male dogs will want to roam in search of a mate; female dogs will go into heat and have bloody discharge. The campaign to spay and neuter dogs has also changed their very relationship to us as pets.


 
They should just start giving them vasectomies instead.
 
I can pretty much bet that I've personally had more pets than many of you combined. Every last one of them was fixed. Zero of them were fat. "Spaying makes them fat" is the animal version of "my genetics make me fat". Either feed them less or exercise them more. They've all, with very few exceptions, also lived well past average age in good health.

Fix your pets.
 
I dunno, never had a non-neutered dog. I'm not sure I'd want a big ass dog raping pillows and shit to get his rocks off.
Results are... mixed. Family had a terrier that acted as if he was completely intact, complete with fucking everything in sight. He had to literally waddle backwards at times he'd get so massive.
 
People don't just spay and neuter animals to limit their reproductive capabilities, it also has a big impact on their behavior. I don't know about dogs, but unfixed male cats will spray all around the house and get into a lot of fights with other cats as a result of territorial aggression, for instance.
spay female dogs and cats so they don't smear period blood all over the floor, couch, and bedspread. I'm not sure what's worse, that or the deluded fucks that actually make their dogs and cats wear periodpants or diapers or tie t-shirts around their lower halves. What a shitshow.
 
Castrating a dog is going to mess with their hormones at least a tad and that in turn would lead to some bullshit happening with their behavior including their eating habits. Main argument against doing vasectomies sounds like it's because it wouldn't cause the dog to be more docile/obedient.
 
This is one of those things that I just accept as a neccesary evil in the world because the problems faced by not doing it are not worth dealing with. I don't think anyone will argue that neutering an animal is going to fuck up how their body natrually functions but I'm also of the opinion that an unfixed animal is too wild to adapt to modern domestic life. To say nothing of the problem feral animals pose.
 
Powerlevel but my last male dog was neutered really early and he was a total eunuch dog. Fat guy, lazy, loved food, had the sissiest bark, total momma's boy... terrible joints, chronically a fifth of his ideal body weight overweight, always hungry. Like most dogs I have had were interested in food for the most part, but this guy would eat until he barfed and go back and eat some more. He was a really sweet dog but I wonder if he wouldn't have been a bit healthier if I had waited, but of course I thought earlier was better.

I would liken it to women hitting menopause and gaining certain personality changes that are considered stereotypes or tropes (such as: decreased physical fitness, less of an inclination to dress up or make themselves attractive, etc.), but I feel that certain people would take umbrage.

I am normally the kind of person who would take umbrage but you're not wrong.

One of the most depressing conclusions of my TERF journey is that the puberty blockers, early hormones, surgeries... are just done so that the young man can present as a more fuckable woman. Like the entire goal is so that some drunk 22-year-old frat bro will look at him and say "That's going home with me tonight." And then when they get home, hey, there's a pussy, so Mr. Frat Bro can have a non-faggy hole to nut in before passing out.

There's astonishingly little concern given to the kid who is never going to hit male puberty and who is never going to orgasm, but who is told that having said drunk frat bro nut in him is the peak of female sexuality and that's what the goal is.

There are two ways to look at menopause: Being older and more experienced makes women not care vs. hormones make women not care. But the end is that having some dude nut in you no longer feels like a priority.
 
I can pretty much bet that I've personally had more pets than many of you combined. Every last one of them was fixed. Zero of them were fat. "Spaying makes them fat" is the animal version of "my genetics make me fat". Either feed them less or exercise them more. They've all, with very few exceptions, also lived well past average age in good health.

Fix your pets.
I have volunteered at my local pet shelter for the past few years, and to be honest, I've noticed both physical and personality changes in dogs who were spayed or neutered.

Still, if you can control your pets, which is part of being a good owner, you don't have to fix them. There is a medical precedent for it in females, as they are more likely to develop pyometra as they age and develop mammary gland tumors the longer they go without a spaying, but there is no medical precedent for males. However, if you can't control your pets and you let them roam around, then there is a need - but at that point, I'd argue that you have more problems than population control.
 
I have volunteered at my local pet shelter for the past few years, and to be honest, I've noticed both physical and personality changes in dogs who were spayed or neutered.
Yes, and those are almost all positive. Anyone who has a non-neutered male dog or cat and finds its behavior acceptable (enjoy exceptionally foul piss all over your house!) either has no sense of smell or is an extreme masochist. Female dogs and cats are also at risk of pyometra, like you said, every time they go into heat.

This article neglects to mention that non-neutered and non-spayed animals also have a higher risk for certain diseases and have diseases that are eliminated by spaying and neutering them, like the aforementioned pyometra. It's absolutely an individual decision like the article says and delaying it until a pet is a year old is probably a good idea but it's not as simple as "neutered = health issues, not neutered = love and rainbows".
 
Yes, almost all positive. Anyone who has a non-neutered male dog or cat and finds its behavior acceptable (enjoy exceptionally foul piss all over your house!) either has no sense of smell or is an extreme masochist. Female dogs and cats are also at risk of pyometra every time they go into heat.

This article neglects to mention that non-neutered and non-spayed animals also have a higher risk for certain diseases and have diseases that are eliminated by spaying and neutering them, like the aforementioned pyometra. It's absolutely an individual decision like the article says and delaying it until a pet is a year old is probably a good idea but it's not as simple as "neutered = health issues, not neutered = love and rainbows".
I'd argue that most of the changes I'd seen were negative. Dogs that were neutered and spayed at this shelter tended to retain certain undesirable habits, while at the same time wanted to spend more time around the food bowl and less outside on walks.

Again, that's just my experience. I'm not saying that everyone should stop spaying or neutering, and I don't think that's what the writer of the article is saying.
 
I'd argue that most of the changes I'd seen were negative. Dogs that were neutered and spayed at this shelter tended to retain certain undesirable habits, while at the same time wanted to spend more time around the food bowl and less outside on walks.

Again, that's just my experience. I'm not saying that everyone should stop spaying or neutering, and I don't think that's what the writer of the article is saying.
I'm just saying that the article makes it out to be almost kind of a net loss to neuter your pets, as if perfectly healthy is the baseline and neutering and spaying only causes potential problems, and not a load of potential and even guaranteed health benefits. The article's suggestion that it should be an informed decision with the pros and cons weighed is a good one.
 
The one hole in this is that golden retrievers are already very prone to cancer. Cancer is the number one killer of goldens. Large breeds also get joint problems from just existing oftentimes and obesity is a factor in making that far worse. Otherwise this is on point and the only people who think this is controversial are trashy people selling pit bull puppies on Craiglist.

A lot of this can be summed up as listen to your vet, your breeder/groomer/trainer doesn't know what they are talking about, and stop feeding your pets people food and shitty food.
 
I'd argue that most of the changes I'd seen were negative. Dogs that were neutered and spayed at this shelter tended to retain certain undesirable habits, while at the same time wanted to spend more time around the food bowl and less outside on walks.
Doesn't spaying/neutering decrease aggression? For most pets that would be a very good thing. I have never noticed a change in personality either. It might be that we've neutered on the cusp of puberty, but I would think that would emphasize the change, not minimize it.

I also don't know how people are getting obese pets. I've never had an obese pet. They've all been fixed. I think it's more people getting fatter and feeding their pets like they feed themselves.

I'm unaware of an obesity epidemic among geldings for example and all evidence seems to say they're way more manageable as geldings rather than stallions.
 
What we really need is a desexing program aimed at minorities.

"Spey your niglette/beaner/Muslima early."
 
Doesn't spaying/neutering decrease aggression? For most pets that would be a very good thing. I have never noticed a change in personality either. It might be that we've neutered on the cusp of puberty, but I would think that would emphasize the change, not minimize it.

I also don't know how people are getting obese pets. I've never had an obese pet. They've all been fixed. I think it's more people getting fatter and feeding their pets like they feed themselves.

I'm unaware of an obesity epidemic among geldings for example and all evidence seems to say they're way more manageable as geldings rather than stallions.
Not always, from what I've seen.

The dogs I've worked with needed training to correct aggression and undesirable behaviors like humping. It's rare when the fixing becomes a cure-all.

I went into the volunteer job thinking much the same as others, like you, have.

With gelded horses, though, I've heard what you claim. Geldings are supposedly safer than mares. But I don't work with horses.
 
I can pretty much bet that I've personally had more pets than many of you combined. Every last one of them was fixed. Zero of them were fat. "Spaying makes them fat" is the animal version of "my genetics make me fat". Either feed them less or exercise them more. They've all, with very few exceptions, also lived well past average age in good health.

Fix your pets.
That point of this ISN'T to NOT neuter your dog, IT IS about DELAYING the neutering until AFTER the dogs bones (and other processes) have had a chance to develop.

I have no problem with shelters and rescues neutering dogs earlier, due to the whole 'save a life rather than dead' thing.

Purebreds though, no way in hell I'd neuter my purebred dogs until 12 months minimum.
 
The dogs I've worked with needed training to correct aggression and undesirable behaviors like humping. It's rare when the fixing becomes a cure-all.
Yes, because prevention is easier than cure. If fido is already aggressive, it's going to be hard to change him, but if he has a litter of puppies, the fixed dogs will be less aggressive than the intact ones.

The question is more if geldings are easier to work with and safer than stallions, isn't it?

That point of this ISN'T to NOT neuter your dog, IT IS about DELAYING the neutering until AFTER the dogs bones (and other processes) have had a chance to develop.
I think the younger neutering/spaying was largely done to ensure the animal actually got altered. People aren't always responsible, so iirc vets like to get the fixing done while they're in for puppy/kitten shots and whatnot. Like what will have a better chance at success: adopting out 5 month old puppies who are already fixed or telling people to bring them back in 7 months?
 
Does this really matter when the dog owners who need to neuter their dogs won't do it because they're idiots? Dumbasses who own pitbull mixes will still let their dogs roam around and fuck each other no matter what the relevant organizations say.
I can pretty much bet that I've personally had more pets than many of you combined. Every last one of them was fixed. Zero of them were fat. "Spaying makes them fat" is the animal version of "my genetics make me fat". Either feed them less or exercise them more. They've all, with very few exceptions, also lived well past average age in good health.

Fix your pets.
It's hard to do that with ferals. They spayed/neutered a group of feral cats where I work. One cat hogs all the food since he's the alpha cat, he's fat as hell (and surprisingly very friendly). There's almost nothing you can do about that short of taking him away from the other cats he knows.
 
Yes, because prevention is easier than cure. If fido is already aggressive, it's going to be hard to change him, but if he has a litter of puppies, the fixed dogs will be less aggressive than the intact ones.

The question is more if geldings are easier to work with and safer than stallions, isn't it?


I think the younger neutering/spaying was largely done to ensure the animal actually got altered. People aren't always responsible, so iirc vets like to get the fixing done while they're in for puppy/kitten shots and whatnot. Like what will have a better chance at success: adopting out 5 month old puppies who are already fixed or telling people to bring them back in 7 months?
I don't think it's logically sound to compare apples to kumquats.

But I don't think that neutering will necessarily make a dog safer.
 
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