[–]Critical-Challenge42
Some of these people find these phallo results that aren’t even at their final stage and shame them.
They are just dicks and cis men get phallo sometimes too
Exactly. Surgery is not pretty, and no matter which you have, there’s gonna be a recovery period with not so nice parts at first. I don’t hear people bashing top surgery, even though you have to deal with drains and wait years for it to heal properly sometimes, the same way they complain about bottom.
[–]shiroganelove
The only gripe I have is the urinary problems, it's at something like 50%. Purely aesthetic issues are essentially nothing, including perceived attractiveness...
Edit:
Saw the "more tops the better" lmao. if you have pussy you bottom!!
Lesbians can never top, it’s true
[–]Normal_Tomato6945
It’s actually a little crazy to me how there’s so much ignorance around bottom surgery as a whole within our own community. I’m sitting here in the hospital recovering from stage 1 right now just giggling at some of these comments. I used to be on the ignorant side though before I decided I couldn’t deal with the dysphoria anymore so I kinda understand. The information around it is incredibly overwhelming but it’s worth having a good understanding about if you’re part of the community.
[–]Far-Rub8785
The only thing I hate about the idea of getting phallo is losing half my arm.
Yeah and waiting for like several years for all the stages and healing after them, and for like several decades to pay for half of it... What's the point if at best I'll be the age when cis guys can't get it up either
FWIW, I had single stage RFF Phallo - one major surgery including phallo, glansplasty, scrotoplasty, v-nectomy, urethral lengthening, and nerve hookup, all at once. Then all I needed was a relatively minor surgery one year after that for the testicular and erectile implants.
It's still major surgery, but from phallo to full recovery after implants took me less than 18 months.
And insurance coverage may be possible. That's the only way I was able to get it.
There are tons of methods to the surgery and a lot of guys can get away with getting everything done with a year. Scarring doesn’t take that long to heal up and if you want, there’s medical tattooing you can get or just get a sick tattoo over it.
Majority of the things you’re going to see posted in the phallo sub are people having complications, asking for advice, etc. because that’s what the sub is there for. Not every single guy that gets the surgery is going to post about their surgery there. It’s a very vulnerable thing to go on the internet and post pictures of especially for stealth guys.
My point here is, be a little more open minded. If you don’t want it that’s fine but don’t fall for the negative narrative that surrounds the journey.
I get that but its just not worth it to me. I don't research or look up other surgeries. I'm not particularly interested in seeing results no matter how good or bad because I already know it isn't for me. I work really hard in the gym to put on size and I'm not willing to lose half my arm or leg and then deal with that type of financial burden. There's many complicated opinions I have about this but while its worth it for others, its not worth it for me.
[–]Specific-Sink-9871
"Sure, you can’t ejaculate with it, can’t get hard ‘naturally’"
thats very important to a lot of ppl tho
The comparator should not be phallo dick vs cis dick, as the latter is not an option for trans guys.
The real comparator is phallo dick vs natal trans guy parts as you are ultimately choosing to be forever with the latter if you choose neither meta or phallo. That's it.
That said, there is so much misinformation about phallo. What they can achieve is nothing short of amazing. And the parts that are not possible are not that big of a deal compared to what they can achieve.
"The comparator should not be phallo dick vs cis dick"
considering thats the part i SHOULD have im allowed to be upset it cannae get me all the way there.
"not that big of a deal"
actually it is a big deal to me I'll never be able to be a biological father or experience sex the way I should be able to and my only resort is a surgery well over 50k quid. jfc.
Bud why are you talking like other trans men don't have the same problem, and don't deal with bottom dysphoria?
Also, if you have a problem with yourself, either dysphoria related or any other trait for that matter, you can either choose to work on changing it, or you can choose to work on accepting it. The only wrong choice is to just wallow about it and feel sorry for yourself.
"just learn to accept your natural body"
So, you'd rather keep what you have versus what is possible? I don't get this 'all or nothing' mentality. It's fine to mourn not being born cis, but your outlook seems pessimistic given that phallo dicks are very similar to cis dicks, whereas your vagina obviously is nothing like one at all.
If someone isn't bothered by natal parts or likes them, then that's perfectly fine. But I don't understand hating them but choosing them over phallo, as that's ultimately what you're doing.
"phallo dicks are very similar to cis dicks, whereas your vagina obviously is nothing like one at all."
normal thing to say to someone with crippling bottom dysphoria
Bro, I say this with absolute sympathy for you: there is no procedure in the world that will ever make you cis. This is the unfortunate reality of being trans. What I’m calling for is allowing people to live their lives as best as they can manage. For some people, phallo is what’s desired and we shouldn’t discourage people from getting it if they want to.
I never said we should discourage it- but we also need to allow people to express dysphoria over nae being cis.
Sure, it’s just not very helpful. No medical procedure changes chromosomes, hip bones (I wish), height. I’m by no means encouraging detransition rhetoric or “be happy with who you are!!” cause I know how BS it is, but there’s a certain point…
why are you reminding us
and why are you reminding a bunch of post-op phallo guys that they'll never have a cis dick?
goes both ways, dude. ![:\](/styles/custom/emotes/svg/chris-confused.svg "Confused :\")
This post is started it by the "sure you cannae get hard naturally" etc. that's important to a lot of people
[–]R3DR0PE
I'm not one of those people that attack people for getting phallo because it's not my choice to make for someone else, but I *am* personally someone that does have complicated feelings towards the procedure.
I have a "phantom penis" and do have some bottom dysphoria, but the main appeal of having a penis for me would be ejaculating. Orgasm with my current setup just doesn't feel as satisfying since there's no physical release (I hope that makes sense?). It also just seems a lot easier to masturbate with a penis than a vulva.
Maybe one day there will be an innovation for phallo patients to get some kind of artificial semen, but I just don't see it happening any time soon since it's such a surface level thing to focus on from a medical perspective.
[–]Training_Drummer_905
Actually,
you can probably get hard it just takes a while or you would have to start with Viagra.
That's not how it works at all. There's no erectile tissue in a phallo penis, so there's nothing about blood rushing there via Viagra that causes erections. It's a rod/pump that gets you hard when you have phallo.
And Mr. negative junior grade.
They’re not being negative they’re being factual. Are you fucking 12
Viagra will do nothing for a phallo penis. There’s no erectile tissue. You can only get hard with an erectile device.
Okay Mr. Negative
Neither commenter are being negative. They're stating facts so someone new to this sub doesn't see your misinformation and think viagra will help them.
You need to respect other people's decisions and opinions when they don't match your own.
Stop being so triggered.
[–]silverbatwing
Unless I can get it without harvesting skin from another part of my body, I’m going to pass.
People who don’t want this surgery aren’t any less trans/men.
Preaching to the choir here; I too, am a man with no bottom dysphoria. I don’t desire phallo. I’m just running defense for the guys who do.
Oh I have dysphoria there, just not to the point of willingly scarring up a part of my body to do it.
And all the downvotes I’m getting was precisely why I made that second point.
Sorry, I misunderstood your initial comment then.
Calling it “scarring” though is a choice. Have you seen the results of medical tattooing on r/phallo and so? That is far from anything I’d call “scarring”.
Taking skin from my arm or leg (which are tattooed) will leave scars on those body parts.
[–]eighteen-is-here
You can absolutely cum with it btw
I met a guy who came from head in less than 10 mins. It was impressive
Not everyone, but some people get lucky!
I would say it’s definitely the majority that can cum.
Depends on if you mean cum as in orgasm or cum as in ejaculate. Majority can orgasm, only a minority can ejaculate.
[–]Cra_ZWar101
Also, you can get hard!!! That’s what the varying kinds of prosthesis do. Also also,
one thing that changed my mind about phallo, is that after they embed your tdick in it, you can still feel when that tissue gets hard. It doesn’t cause the whole thing to become erect, but it’s not like you can’t feel your erectile tissue respond to things. You can still feel your genitals respond when you are aroused!!!
[–]PostMPrinz
Here! Here! We deserve a dick if we WANT one!
No one gets to tell me to settle down about my original plumbing that IS a health risk.
So go get one. But I don't need to see or hear about it, or be told that there is something wrong with me for not wanting it.
Feels a little homophobic… what’s your problem with dick? Who else do I complain about the wretched wait times for Phallo and Meta? Who else do I complain to about how much electrolysis takes a toll on my body, I certainly don’t complain to cis people! I sure as hell can’t complain to my family, and this is one of like three subreddits for trans masculine people to talk about this stuff. There’s no implication that YOU need to have a surgery, but there does need to be space to vent about wanting one and the struggles that go along with it.
I’m gay I don’t have a problem with dicks you go complain in the r/ for phallo and meta where that’s the topic.
The problem is this isn’t I really want a dick, this is accusing others out of the blue of hating on phallo and how thinking it’s complicated is somehow a sin? Fuck that noise.
[–]GrapefruitKing2000
Honestly I think the whole phallo surgery is still a good 20-25 years away, from being to where it should be.
Phallo is very well developed, as efficient and ideal as possible for the kind of operation it is, and has been the same for decades. Metoidioplasty is what is currently changing and developing at a rapid pace of invention.
Yes. It seems that most people don't understand that it's already technically very impressive.
[–]Boipussybb
Not everyone with phallo is a top. 
Yeah that part of the post is a head scratcher for me,,, you don't need a dick to be a top. I think a lot of people just see top as penetrator and bottom as penetratee which is not how it works lol
I mean, that's literally what a top is. You don't need to have a dick that's physically part of your body to be a top, but the term is specifically about penetration and refers to whoever is doing the penetrating. A lot of people online seem to have this idea that "topping" means being dominant but that's not what it means, it's totally possible to be a sub top or a dom bottom.
I guess I worded my comment a bit incorrectly. I know about the difference between dom and top, I just don't see top and bottom as strictly penetrative roles when there's lots of couples with those dynamics that don't do penetration
[–]mangletown
Just because something doesn’t look “normal” or “real” to you doesn’t mean it isn’t normal or real. A phallo dick is still a dick. Ffs, transphobes don’t consider US normal or real—and we are, are we not? So yeah, i’m also tired of the phallo hate.
I’m also realizing that I may want to pursue phallo myself in the future, however, I want to preserve a few bits of myself that don’t cause dysphoria or discomfort. The hate for phallo made me push the dysphoria away or write it off as something else—
do y’all WANT people to stop transitioning the way they want to, the way they NEED to? I just don’t understand.
We need to be more supportive of each other as men, it doesn’t matter what parts you have or not or how you got those parts either. We’re fucking men, no matter what, ya know?
The huge stigma around it is why trans men are discouraged from further transitioning, even if it would be beneficial. Thats gross and detransition rhetoric in my opinion.
If we are supposed to be supportive of each other, and it doesn't matter what parts you have or how you got them - why do people who don't want phallo have to be the ones to be quiet? That's not ok.
No one is saying be quiet. They are saying stop shitting on something just because you don’t want it.
Who is shitting on it? I haven't seen any recent posts about how someone hates phallo. But there is one of these at least once a week - that's projection and insecurity, not answering a challenge.
I see it the other way around. A huge amount of hate towards phallo and the people who get it. It’s unfortunately extremely common.
Seriously. I literally had another trans guy I matched with on a dating app tell me he thinks phallo is unethical and referred to the results as "dangly meat with no feeling". Most posts I see about phallo on other social media sites or even other subs have negative comments or are spreading misinformation on how phallo works.
Prove it. Where? Links? When?
Lmfao I can ask the same. Why would people be here making these posts, with multiple comments agreeing if it doesn’t happen. 35 years on T so safe to assume you’re an older person. Act like it.
Btw, i never said anyone had to be quiet about not wanting phallo. you can decide if you don’t want phallo. But shitting on others for wanting it or having a complicated relationship with it is gross. Hating another body part or considering it disgusting is your own issue to absolve? Not for others to placate.
You don't get to tell me how I feel about phallo - and it IS complicated for me and that's not gross and has nothing to fucking do with you or your decision. I don't want to hear about your dick. There are other subs for that where you can talk dick all day long, go there to scratch that itch. But who said anything bad about phallo here recently? When? What did they say? Why is it such a trigger for you?
I don't hate any body parts, on myself or others. Don't really spend my time thinking about other people's genitals. And I damn sure don't like being told what I think or feel is disgusting because you don't understand it.
No one is telling you how to feel about Phallo or telling you to be quiet. Maybe take some time and think about why you felt the need to come onto a post defending Phallo for the sole purpose of complaining about it and acting like it was a personal attack on you.
Dude, the only person who seems triggered rn is you. You don’t get to tell me how I seek support and community on the fucking world wide web. Men talk about dicks and shit. You can just fucking scroll man. I have no clue what your problem is—i’m literally saying to be more supportive and here you are being fucking divisive. You seem real weird rn… just scroll dude. Take a breath lmao
Bc it’s your issue to take care of, not project onto others
hope that helps!
Nope. I don't have to be quiet because you want an echo chamber sorry. If you want phallo - great go fucking get that shit. But judging the rest of us who don't - that's a you problem and projection on your part. And repeatedly demanding respect - you earn that, you don't get it for free.
[–]Fit-Network-9865
Can I ask where u’ve seen realistic looking results? I really wanna see it, every time I try to look it up everything that shows up looks nothing like a cis dick
Edit: thanks for the recommendations. I’m very impressed with what I saw, damn why was it so hard for me to find these result pics when I was looking for them
I think maybe we shouldn’t refer to someone elses body as “not looking realistic”. A phallo dick is very much real.
I didn’t say it wasn’t real, I said it doesn’t look like cis dick which some simply don’t. I also wasn’t referring to anyone in specific so I don’t see why anyone would take offense to that. If u say ur results look realistic im not gonna question it im just talking about my personal experience when searching for phallo results
I’m specifically objecting to the use of “realistic” as that indicates that phallo dicks are somehow “fake”. And you are in fact speaking about other peoples bodies. Be mindful of how you refer to others in your community, and the kind of language you use.
I’m sorry if what I said offended u.I don’t really think it’s right to start censor each other tho when I’m just tryin to get genuine advice.. how else can I explain what I’m seeking? At the end of the day I’ll need to use words to describe it.. sorry the ones I chose weren’t to your liking:/
Just say cis passing when that’s what you mean. I’m not offended, nor am i censoring you. I’m asking you to watch how you speak about other peoples bodies as nicely as i possibly can.
I’m really trying to understand your point of view but I really think you’re nitpicking here.. ig we’ll have to agree to disagree. Sorry I’m really not trying to be mean or anything, genuinely.
Think of it like someone saying something about cis passing trans men “looking like men”. Cis passing or not, we are men. Phallo penis are real penises, and using “realistic” implies they aren’t, they just can look like “real” ones.
It might seem like nitpicking, but those pictures are of real men’s bodies. They share photos of the most intimate part of their bodies purely for the benefit of helping other trans men make an informed decision. There are also many more men beyond the ones in the photos who have or plan to someday have penises like them. We hear and see people say a lot of really cruel things about bodies like ours. Saying “realistic” pales in comparison to those other things, but it all adds up and takes its toll on our self esteem.
You’re clearly not trying to be disrespectful, he is (and now I am) just trying to let you know how to better word it in the future.
, especially