📚 Megathread The Pooner Zoo - A thread for collecting wild Pooners and posting OC Pooners, and anything Pooner related

  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account
Why can't pooners and fujos shut up about Heated Rivalry? It's literally a west-yaoi slop made for female gaze. If you enjoy it that just makes you a straight woman

Is this gonna be the next Scott Pilgrim? A movie that gives retarded women an spiritual awakening and causes an explosion in the rates of fujoshits and poons?
What happened with Scott Pilgrim and pooning out??
 
What happened with Scott Pilgrim and pooning out??
I think Big Shot meant SP gave "retarded women a spiritual awakening" to become annoying blue-haired NLOGs like Ramona Flowers, back in its day.

Also re: Magic Pickle's Bassdean finds, out of all those walls of insane shit, much of it quite funny, this really jumped out at me (from one of the Tumblr posts):
My brother is agender and bi
>Brother
>Agender
Lol these dweebs can't even remember their own bullshit rules.

The post where she talks about how being made to say polite phrases like "may I please be excused" made her cry/physically ill was also gold. She says there's NO logical reason you should have to say these things, when there obviously is, if you consider other people's feelings for two seconds. "May I please be excused from the table" lets your family know one of the people they've been eating and keeping company with is about to leave, which is nice to know in advance, compared to every child (and hers was a large family) leaping up and running off to the other room without a word whenever the urge strikes them. Maybe they have something they want to talk to you about before the end of dinner, maybe you didn't finish your vegetables, maybe they want more quality time with you before you run off to post on Tumblr. An excuse system at family dinner is a very practical parenting tool. I'm sorry it feels so inauthentic and forced for you to be considerate of others, shit.
 
Uh-oh! Orange Man's FDA is going after the companies that specialize in crushing mentally ill girls' breasts and ribs:

View attachment 8309729

Article: https://www.raps.org/news-and-artic...osts-warning-letters-to-manufacturers-of-brea
They should be happy. After all, since they claim trooning out and pooning out kids is "lifesaving medical care", binders used for that purpose would fall under the rubric of medical devices, so it only stands to reason that they'd be regulated by the FDA. This is obviously just a sign that the federal government is starting to acknowledge the legitimacy of gender-affirming care.

Screenshot_20251226-184808.Reddit~2.jpg
A fucking bowl cut. :story: I guess it works if her end goal is transitioning into a sixth-grader boy on the local little league hockey team circa 1992.

hjuzkqg0grte1.jpeg

...or possibly Joan of Arc.
Cathédrale_de_Strasbourg_chapelle_Ste_Catherine_statue_de_Jeanne_d’Arc-5.jpg

<page after interminable page of pooner word vomit>
I feel bad about it sometimes, but I can't help but romanticize the closet/repression a LOT bc of how unmatched the catharsis of accepting my homosexuality continues to be. I honestly find it upsetting that it's impossible to relive it. The closest I can get is consuming media (or more often writing it myself) where very closeted/repressed gay men fall in love and, through that, accept who they are. I read a lot of memoirs from old gay men for this reason too.
Wow, I'm actually getting MATI from this shit. There's nothing romantic about being in the closet. In the best circumstances, you feel guilty or deceptive for not being out to people. In the worst circumstances, there's the risk of social ostracism, physical danger, or even death if your secret ever got out. It's a life of secret loneliness and despair at the thought that you're doomed to burn in hell, that you'll never be able to love someone openly or even just live a normal life without carrying around this massive, secret weight, that there's something fundamentally wrong with you that you just can't change, no matter how hard you try. It leads to nothing but misery and heartbreak both for closeted/repressed men and the women who unwittingly marry them. It's not about fucking "catharsis" in some idealized romance-novel plot or your eat-pray-love journey of personal self discovery, you self-absorbed <misogynistic slur>.

This is the sort of shit that has pushed me into actively hating fujoshi.

TFD
 
Wow, I'm actually getting MATI from this shit. There's nothing romantic about being in the closet. In the best circumstances, you feel guilty or deceptive for not being out to people. In the worst circumstances, there's the risk of social ostracism, physical danger, or even death if your secret ever got out. It's a life of secret loneliness and despair at the thought that you're doomed to burn in hell, that you'll never be able to love someone openly or even just live a normal life without carrying around this massive, secret weight, that there's something fundamentally wrong with you that you just can't change, no matter how hard you try. It leads to nothing but misery and heartbreak both for closeted/repressed men and the women who unwittingly marry them. It's not about fucking "catharsis" in some idealized romance-novel plot or your eat-pray-love journey of personal self discovery, you self-absorbed <misogynistic slur>.
They want to live out a unique kind of oppression that makes them the stars of their own tragic fanfiction. I agree on the "I wish I was a gay man so I could be a repressed homosexual" bit. You can tell she has never actively been hatecrimed or beat for being presumed to be gay. And I'm not talking being called a faggot - I'm talking broken bones and murder. She wants to be her own Matthew Shepard without the meth deal gone wrong.

It isn't catharsis. She has a romantic view around hate crimes. Anyone who visits the "post videos of people dying" thread can see that her "catharsis" involves having a tire wrapped around your neck and being set on fire.

She's just saying the quiet part out loud. A LOT of them think this.
 
View attachment 8364466
Translation: "The thing is I want to look like a man, in most cases I want to be seen as male but I don’t want to be a man"
There’s a rather large subcategory of pooners who never wanted to be men per se, just nonbinary genderblobs with slightly enhanced masculine characteristics that take them beyond simple androgyny. I think pure narcissism and entitlement is behind this kind of shit; they think they’re more special than even the normal trannies and exceptions should be made for them on demand. They try to demand entry into women’s spaces as well when it’s convenient. You’re not allowed to call her a woman, but she’s a non-man so you have to let her participate in female spaces if she wants to. But don’t include her by default or you’re misgendering.
 
There’s a rather large subcategory of pooners who never wanted to be men per se, just nonbinary genderblobs with slightly enhanced masculine characteristics that take them beyond simple androgyny. I think pure narcissism and entitlement is behind this kind of shit; they think they’re more special than even the normal trannies and exceptions should be made for them on demand. They try to demand entry into women’s spaces as well when it’s convenient. You’re not allowed to call her a woman, but she’s a non-man so you have to let her participate in female spaces if she wants to. But don’t include her by default or you’re misgendering.
I think it’s misogyny. They don’t want to be men, they just don’t want to be (seen as) women,
 
And since we can tell Bass is a big fan of storytelling, here's some of her fan art (she's a big fan of Succession)
Can someone please tell me which of these images is related to "Succession"? I have a friend who's a "Succession" fan and I want to annoy him by sending him whichever one of these gay fanarts is "Succession"-related.
 
Can someone please tell me which of these images is related to "Succession"? I have a friend who's a "Succession" fan and I want to annoy him by sending him whichever one of these gay fanarts is "Succession"-related.
After looking at them closely I think they're all related, thats supposed to be the same 2 guys in every picture, I think.

This is the one that jumped out to me first though.
2331.png
 
I think it’s misogyny. They don’t want to be men, they just don’t want to be (seen as) women,
That’s probably true on some level, nonbinary women are this generation’s version of “not like other girls” on steroids. But I think part of it is also the narcissism of wanting full control over how others perceive them by being too confusing to put into a simple category (you see, they are complex individuals who are too special for simple categories unlike the rest of us). You know this is what they’re after when they’re the type who make a big deal out of “scandalizing” the filthy cis normies.
 
Over in the Ls thread, I had just posted about Reddit poon u/Bassdean, whose neurotic, cock-fiending fujoshi ways have captivated me utterly.

That is so funny - reading her posts longing for the perfect (read: fictional) gay dude who loves cock&balls, I pictured your typical chubby, not-even-making-an-attempt-to-pass FujoshiTM, but she actually looks/sounds relatively male (though very soy) even in video. :lol: It just goes to show, there will always, always be something that outs a faker.

If it's not your face, it's your hips.
If it's not your hips, it's your height.
If it's not your height, it's your voice.
If it's not your voice, it's your unchangeable, unmistakable female mindset and writing voice.

Also LMAO I've totally seen that Tom/Greg skating piece reblogged in the height of Succession fandom on tumblr. Just goes to show, you never know what kind of crazy is lurking out there in the fanart world. Also also why would you ship Tom/Greg unironically when the (canonical!) Tom/Shiv relationship is so much more erotic? smdh
 
Can someone please tell me which of these images is related to "Succession"? I have a friend who's a "Succession" fan and I want to annoy him by sending him whichever one of these gay fanarts is "Succession"-related.
It’s all Tom and Greg (from Succession) shipping
 
I think it’s misogyny. They don’t want to be men, they just don’t want to be (seen as) women,
It's not quite the same thing, but I suspect a similar dynamic is behind why so many girls calling themselves aroace have been cropping up online lately. They're both desexualizing strategies. "Woman" = vapid cumdumpster for men, so calling themselves effectively not-women is a socially acceptable (in gendershit circles) means of avoiding unwanted sexual attention and asserting themselves as more than just bobs and vagene.

Of course, sometimes it's also just another form of plain old NLOG lol
 
It's not quite the same thing, but I suspect a similar dynamic is behind why so many girls calling themselves aroace have been cropping up online lately. They're both desexualizing strategies. "Woman" = vapid cumdumpster for men, so calling themselves effectively not-women is a socially acceptable (in gendershit circles) means of avoiding unwanted sexual attention and asserting themselves as more than just bobs and vagene.

Of course, sometimes it's also just another form of plain old NLOG lol
It's also probably them not being able to relate to hyper-sexual gooner culture. An overly-online 14 year-old girl sees ridiculous fetishistic drawings meant for male porn addicts and is like "I don't really understand how this is supposed to be hot. I must be an asexual."
 
It seems popular borderline softcore porn show Heated Rivalry has got a lot of girls feeling the heat in their britches, so let's take a look at all of the pining these poons have for paramour poofs to pal around with. It's hard to believe how many are so willing to admit that porn inspires them to permanently alter their anatomies in pursuit of a fantasy... kind of creepy knowing that this isn't a man-fetishizing-lesbian phenomenon as much as it is a sinister potential that lurks in the unsuspecting hearts of many. I want off the ride already, I've seen enough!
Link | Archive

intense sadness over cis gay stories

idk if this sounds stupid but i tend to get these periods of intense sadness when watching any show or movie with a story about gay cis men. it gets so bad that i can’t even think about those particular stories without hurting so so much but at the same time i can’t seem to stop thinking about them sometimes even actively looking up content.
i didn’t get these “episodes” for some months but it started happening again with “heated rivalry”.
it’s such a beautiful story but it hurts so much knowing i’ll never genuinely get to experience love as a gay cis man.

idk if this all goes back to gender dysphoria or maybe even bpd (i am diagnosed) or if there is something else that might be wrong with me?
can anyone relate to this and has advice on how to cope with those intense emotions?
i don’t really know how to put this all into words so i hope y’all still understand this mess
also just to be clear i’m aware as trans men we can still be in beautiful fulfilling relationships with other trans or cis men.
this is just an issue i have specifically about the yearning of being a cis man in a relationship with another cis man.

i hope this doesn’t come off as insensitive or something. that’s not my intention at all.
Link | Archive

Anyone else struggling after watching Heated Rivalry?

I’m nonbinary and everything about this show/the actors has given me intense dysphoria. I’m absolutely obsessed, but also very jealous….and it’s been hard to move away from watching Iiya/Shane content but even more so Hudson/Conner content. I have thought about starting T before, but a bit more so now
Link | Archive

MLM dysphoria

I watched heated rivalry and it just reminded me why I stop watching /Reading about MLM relashionship 2 years ago. It makes me so dysphoric and depressed. I thought I stopped because I wasn't interested anymore but it actually just makes me miserable. Does anyone else feels the same way? I also can't see myself in a relationship because of that. I kinda numbed out for those last years to survive my dysphoria and now it's all hitting me at once
Link | Archive

Wish i could consume media without getting dysphoric or envious

Esp mlm media. I want to watch Heated rivalry but i know it’s just gonna tear me apart. I haven’t dated as a guy yet and idk it feels like it won’t happen.
But anymore every time i watch something i look at an actor and think ‘god i wish i looked like that’ and i end up spiraling into stupid brain worms. Pico Alexander was the most recent. holy shit hes beautiful and i hate that I’ll never look anything like him. And i hate that i feel this way ugh
How do i deal?
And some Tumblr screencaps (because Tumblr hates me personally and doesn't play nicely with archival websites). What's hilarious is that on Tumblr, they seem a bit more open to admitting the direct correlation between their porn and presentation, whereas Redditors still seem a tiny bit cautious about such a connection... then again, Tumblr really is the sewer of the internet, so I shouldn't be surprised to encounter more obviously mutated ninja turtles down there.
1767567387032.png
1767567400757.png
1767567421702.png
1767567437861.png
1767567447965.png
1767567464561.png
1767567479033.png
1767567532089.png

And have no fear, Kiwis: for those of you who find all of that duller than dishwater, I have some TiFoibles for you, too.

Female to Malingerer: a li'l dood now suffers the weakened health of a Victorian chimney sweep after abusing testosterone for years, turned inside out by even the most common of colds despite doctors claiming she's overall healthy. I'm sure your dirtstache and ass hair are definitely worth it all, though, right?
Link | Archive

i think t's weakened my immune system

so this past couple of years i've caught every cough and cold going. had pneumonia twice & problems with my sinuses, been constantly fatigued as well. i figured it was something to do with my immune system, possibly from when i had covid, but my doctors assured me it was just down to my general health and told me to eat better, sleep better (hard when i work shifts but i've been trying lol) and stop smoking.
long story short, none of that helped. i feel better in myself for sure, but my immune system is still completely shot. spoke to my gp again and she said it's definitely not long covid and i'm probably just overworked. it's not a long shot, but it's been going on for so long that i don't know how much i believe it. like surely i can't have been burnt out constantly for like 2 1/2 years right?
so tldr, i did some digging into causes of a weakened immune system. one of the most common causes is steroid usage. i knew this already to an extent because i have a skin condition that i need to use steroid cream for, and can only use it for so long at a time before it thins the skin on my hands/arms. testosterone is a steroid, and since my t shots became a stable, regular thing, i've been getting ill like this more often.
now it may just be me thinking "oh, that lines up well" in hindsight, esepcailly seing as i've been on t for nearly 5 years now and it's only gotten worse in the latter half of that. and generally speaking i'm a lot healthier these days, but these bouts of illness have been really affecting my work, despite how much i try to not let it.
basically i'm just wondering if anybody else in this subreddit has had similar side effects to taking t? as in fatigue and weakened immune system with illness every 2-4 weeks. wanna know if this is something that's likely before i bring it up to my doctor as a potential cause of what i've been dealing with lol
For once, a FTM actually engages in authentic gay male behavior by giving a spontaneous blowjob to a random coworker, which leads her to questioning if she's actually got the hots for guys after all. If this were not penned by a poon, I would suspect this sort of "one mere slurp of your cock turned me into a cum-hungry slut" fiction would've been written one-handedly by a man, so kudos to OP for being the most masculine dood I've yet to encounter.
Link | Archive

I just sucked my co worker off at the job now i’m questioning my sexuality.

So basically i’m trans (ftm) and ive never really per say had a emotional attraction to guys. I’d always fantasize about being a cis male and yk being a little risky in public but never really acted on anything up until today. my co worker approached me and i could tell he was hitting on me and he was super blunt about it. Dude isn’t anything special yk not really attractive but my T has had me so horny lately it was like the shit he would say turned me on yk, and again my T doesn’t make it better lol. We went upstairs did what we did and came back down. I’ve alway considered myself “straight” never done anything with a guy besides once and today. I’m now find myself questioning my sexuality. and idk i feel bad about it and im kinda shaming myself not at the fact i did something in public but the fact i did something with a cis man masculine at that. I’m not attracted to masculine men i know that for sure. I enjoyed it tho and lowkey wanna do it again but yk actually fuck. I don’t mind being bi or whatever but i’ve just always pushed myself so hard to yk be straight trans male idk i just feel kinda lost right now. sorry for the rant
A TiF who has allegedly been stealth her entire life (press X to doubt) is having trouble with the knowledge that even if she passes, that does not mean she is, dwelling miserably on her inability to impregnate women and how her mere existence as female makes her feel "raped" by her own body. I thought passing and being consistently read as the gender you LARP as was the key to happiness, so I'm terribly confused by a post such as this!
Link | Archive

Tired of hearing “you just gotta accept yourself”

I’ve been trans my whole life the first time I told someone I was a boy was literally when I was 3-4 years old. I’ve always knew I was a boy I never went through a period of time where I felt like I was a girl. I’ve lived my whole life as a stealth trans man for the most part I was able to pass pre T and I’ve been on T for 5 years now and so I pass all the time and while at first it felt so much better and like a relief now it doesn’t. I feel like people still view me as a liar when I say I am a man and I feel like I’m expected to just be open about being a trans man but the whole reason I transitioned was to be as close to cis as I could be and to be seen as just a man. I understand that transmen are what we are technically and it’s a truth but it doesn’t mean that I want to go by that. I just want to be a man and not having the right body is hard enough. What’s the point of doing all of this transitioning if the majority of people won’t see me as a man and will view me as a liar if I don’t tell them I’m trans right away. I wanted to be able to date straight women and live my life like other men but I’ve realized that I will never be able to do that. Straight women usually aren’t into trans men and then the ones who are tend to end up missing cis men’s body’s. It’s just such a tragic existence. I want to die more and more everyday even though as time progresses I look more and more like a man. But looking like a man doesn’t make me one. I will forever be stuck the sex I was assigned at birth and I won’t ever be able to live an amab life. I can’t even have my own children with my partner and have them come out with physical looks and personality traits of both of us. Another man’s sperm is needed and therefore I might as well just be adopting or being a step dad. I don’t see anything wrong with that stuff I actually just got out of a relationship where I was a step father. It’s just the pain of not being able to have my own biological children just because I was born in the wrong body. Whenever I talk about these pains I always get told that I just need to accept myself and accept that I’m a trans man and accept that I’m both female and male because that’s what I am and I’m just like I am a man I’m only a trans man because of the circumstances I had no control over. Like I don’t want to be trans I don’t think anyone really wants to be trans. We just are because we have to be in order to feel better in our own skin. I feel like a prisoner in my body. I feel like I’m being violated and raped by my own body. I feel like I’m living for no reason. I won’t ever be able to feel complete or at home or at peace with my body. I will always feel out of alignment. No matter what I do nothing will change what I was born as and that’s such a fundamental truth. I use to feel like passing was enough but now that I pass 100% I’ve realized it is not enough for me. I don’t know what to do anymore. I guess I came on here to vent and see if anybody has advice or anything to say to me because I really just feel like blowing my brains out or laying on train tracks. I’m so tired of fighting and working towards an impossible goal. People who are cis are just so lucky they don’t have to deal with these feelings. Whether they are cis female or male. It must feel so nice to be able to feel connected and one with your body. I wish I could experience that.
After a friend remarks that those of the transgender persuasion tend to have a certain... "odor" about them, a girl belonging to the Cult of Breast Binding debates cutting off her friendship entirely, especially as she's been hiding her poonery from said friend in plain sight. The funny thing is that even though her friend's remarks wounded her, it seems that OP was collateral damage as she clarifies that "everyone at the party besides me was a woman, so no T gel involved" - which means the wicked stink emanating from the get-together was likely the vile vapor of a yeasty, unwashed sack in a polyester skirt multiplied several times over. Yucktopia!
Link | Archive

I really want to ghost my friend

I'm fully grown and this feels like such an immature thought, but I really want to. Months before I started transitioning, I had a get together with some friends, most of whom are trans/medically transitioning. I also invited someone who I considered one of my closest friends at the time, a cis woman. It was a mix of friend groups, but it was actually fun!
A fee weeks later my cis friend and I were hanging out and she started talking so casually about how the party overwhelmed her because trans people have a smell, and so it was overstimulating. She said it was because of the hormones- she can smell pheromones or what have you, and she said she had the same problem in high school because everyone was going through puberty. I asked her if she didnt like trans people and she said "no, I talk to them, I'm nice to them." However, since that get together, she has never come to another group hangout, citing schedule conflicts.
We hung oht a few times after I started transitioning, and I've worn a binder around her. But now I'm at the stage where I'm actually starting to pass, and I don't think I want to be around her anymore.
We haven't seen each ither since the summer, but she reached out recently. If she actually can smell hormones, maybe it's more obvious on me now, and honestly even if she can, I didn’t like that comment. I have an emerging beard now, which rules, and I don't want to shave it to see her. How would you handle this?
I know this is a super long one, but I promise it's a riotous read, so just settle in with a fresh drink and perhaps a snack - maybe something sweet to balance out all the salty bitterness: a FTM writes about all of the ways in which a woman's life is vastly easier than a man-identifying-woman's life, which includes things like "women don't have to worry about judgmental families," "women get to live up to 40 but I've never met a troon over 25" and "all of my friends are online e-beggars." But really, just read on and feel a nice, soothing stretch as your eyes roll further and further back...
Link | Archive

My cis female friends dont understand how hard being trans is

TW// transphobia and misogyny, mentions of suicide, nsfw mention
YES i cross posted this to r/FTMventing but the only response was from a chaser so here we are
Context: I’m 18, FTM, in Arizona USA attending college
(Also I wanna be clear that women's struggles are totally valid; this isn't me trying to say their lives are easy or anything like that. Our flesh may be different but our chains are the same.)
I’m sick of whenever I talk to my friends about being transgender, especially my cis female friends, that I’m being “dramatic” or it’s “the same as being a woman”.
But it’s not. It’s so much worse than they could imagine. Yes, there definitely are some similarities and shared traumas. Misogyny, sexism, homophobia, and transphobia are just different sides of the same evil dice. Still, being invalidated by your closest friends hurts. They don’t understand that on top of being AFAB and being often perceived as a woman/butch lesbian, I also have to deal with being transgender and being perceived as such in this horrific social and political climate.
I understand that I am very lucky that I am white, tall, flat chested, and can be perceived as naturally masculine. But there's a difference between passing as “masculine” and as a “man”, specifically as a cis man. My friend, who I still love very much, often comments about how I “look like a man” and how I can definitely pass. But the truth is, I really don’t. Maybe from far away on a good day depending on who's looking at me from across the mall parking lot. But I am very easy to clock. I’m currently unable to medically transition. My voice, fashion style, name i haven't changed, who I'm around, the color of my starbucks drink, the shape of my fucking lips, whatever the fuck ppl are staring at, ect is all super clockable.
There’s nothing wrong with being noticeably trans, and I hate the notion that passing is everything, but it does help a lot. Personally I wish I could pass 24/7. It’s just safer. What my friends don’t seem to understand is being transgender, especially right now, fucking sucks. It’s draining the life out of me. Every time I bring up how hard it is they all get defensive and say that it’s “just like being a woman” and they seem to get offended by me saying it’s harder than they think. It’s lowkey just oppression olympics. I’m so sick of it. I just want them to understand how hard it is, but every time I bring it up I get pushed to the side.
I want to be clear that they are not bad people, they are very liberal and supportive of my transition and are great friends otherwise. I’m just struggling to convey the transgender experience to them whenever the topic comes up.
I don’t know how to tell them that genuinely my biggest fear is being another dead tr*nny on the street. How do I tell them that everyday I wake up it’s getting harder and harder to convince myself that everything is fine and I don’t hate my false body? How do I explain that my beautiful trans sisters and brothers are disappearing off the face of the earth and I could be next? How do I show that I’m literally fucking terrified right now? how do I make them understand that there are things I will never be able to experience like them? Things like casual sex, certain clothes, world travel, supportive grandparents, accepting religion, marriage and kids, not being stared at in the grocery store, going to the rodeo, or just having a normal fucking life.
Every time I bring it up they think I’m paranoid and exaggerating. I will admit i spend most my time on a pretty safe college campus and I definitely am a little extra cautious, but it’s cuz I have to be. Anything could change at any moment. I know a trans woman (my ex) who was kicked out by her family and is now a college dropout bouncing from friend to friend’s house with nowhere to go. I know another trans woman back on the east coast who has been on and off the streets for 2+ years. I know a transguy who's been on a top surgery waitlist for over a year for political reasons. I know at least ten nonbinary/transguys who have detransitioned out of pure fear. I have an online friend who has a plan to escape the country and be a refugee in another country. (Can you believe that, an “American refugee”?) Every damn day I log on to twitter there’s at least 10 posts about gofundmes for hrt, court battles against attackers, or to get out of an abusive home. I see posts about young trans people going missing or commiting suicide, followed by thousands of comments by evil despicable people mocking them. What am I to think except “is this how it will be when I’m ultimately murdered or commit suicide?” How am I supposed to feel when I’m accused of “brain washing kids” by mormons who spend 2 years in 3rd world countries “spreading the word of god” instead of just giving impoverished kids food?
The difference between women and transpeople, in my opinion at least, is that women are 50% of the world population. Trans people are maybe 2%, probably less. Women are “normal”. It’s not rare or shocking to see a woman walking in a grocery store or anywhere.
If you're a woman, you're going to see people like you everywhere you go and in the media. Other women who will likely have your back. (Obviously being a woman still sucks a lot but at least you can blend in.) Being trans, it’s not like that. Every time I go somewhere alone, I pray that there’s another trans person nearby to have my back in case something happens. Right now, we as a community are more alone than ever. Sometimes I don’t even feel safe around a cis gay person.
My friends don’t know what it’s like to walk down your high school hallway being called a f*ggot or tr*nny by people you’ve never said a word to. They don’t know what it’s like to have to donate half your favorite clothes because they are too tight around the hips, have a low neckline, or expose the side of your chest binder.
They don’t know what it’s like to be 14 years old, leading a walkout for trans rights at your school, and only 100 of the 3000+ people at your school turn up. They don’t know what it’s like to be told by your “super accepting” high school theater director that “you being on stage will confuse the audience” and “everyone will always know you're a woman”. They don’t know what it’s like to be referred to as an “it” behind your back by people you thought were your friends. They don’t know that there are plenty of women who live to 40+ years old that they see daily, but I’ve never met a trans person above 25. They don't know that when i figured out i was trans at 13, I assumed I'd be dead before graduating high school. They don’t know that sometimes I wake up in the morning and think “I will never be happy in this prison I am caged inside of, and perhaps death is the only jailbreak.” They don’t realize that the only way I can talk myself down from the edge is by telling myself “I can’t be another statistic. I have to live so that trans youth in the future know that we have always existed.” My friends don’t understand what it’s like to go home during the holidays and hear your mom ask “how's my beautiful daughter? Your hair is very short but it’s still very feminine.” even though she knows the truth. My friends don't know all the horrible things my trans ex's family said about us, or when my ex's mom tried to poison her. My friends don’t know that when my trans ex gf broke up with me, my super liberal grandma started calling her a “he” on purpose. They don’t know that when I meet new people, I HAVE to make a good impression because I could be the first trans person they ever meet and we can’t afford to have another person hate us. My cis friends don’t know what it’s like to have your pronouns and gender affirmation treated like an earned privilege/reward instead of a basic human right. They don't recognize that just going to a public bathroom is a daily battle. They don’t know that my younger brother's best friend tells my brother that I’m going to hell for just existing. My closest friends don’t know that I’ve never seen or heard of a movie with a trans guy having a positive sex experience. My friends don’t realize that I may never find someone who actually loves me, and may be nothing but a fetish for the rest of my short life.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that; yes, women and trans people have a lot of shared and unique experiences but no matter what, we need to band together in this time of crisis. If a woman was ever in need, I would help her. But if I, a trans person, was in need, a cis woman may very likely not help me.
My cis female friends will never fully understand what it’s like to be transgender, but I know what it’s like to be a woman.

(Sorry for the rant and if any of this came off as insensitive. I'm not trying to fear monger or be rude. Ill take any advice or movie recs. I guess I'm just feeling very alone and scared right now. pls let me know on how I should discuss this with my friends without sounding crazy. thanks for reading.)
Finally, a dood-in-the-making asks: are there any actual ramifications to abusing testosterone? Let's see what The Council of the Yaoi Spotify Playlist have to say. (This one bookends quite nicely with the first poster who was suffering from a testosterone-weakened immune system, wouldn't you say?)
Link | Archive

Does testosterone bear any real health risks on the long term?

Hi I'm not sure this is the adequate sub for this question so I'll be happy to delete it if so but I thought I might find answers here. I(18ftm) have been wanting to go on T for years, I'm pretty documented on it and now that I legally can I want to start the medical procedures to get a prescription. But some people have started berating me about the health risks of taking T, that I could get cancer, my bones we're going to get weaker, etc and I've started freaking out a little. I'd like to ask guys who've been on T for 5+ years have you gotten any health issues related to T? How bad were they? Again if I'm in the wrong place just tell me to delete I'll be happy to oblige
[–]polecater
what are the general health risks associated with being a man? thats basically what you face. in some cases, increased chance for blood clots due to increased red bloodcell count, but thats why you get blood tests done every 6-12 months or so, and in the rare case that happens there are treatments for it. basically the only long term concern there might be is the chance for increased gynecological cancers, but if you get a hysterectomy before like your 40s you're good.
just sounds like there are some people trying to talk you out of it for their own purposes, and are trying to scare you. dont listen to them. do what is right for you and you alone

edit: also bone density changes are due to an excess of estrogen, or lack of any sex hormones at all, or if you're on progesterone. idk who told you that, but sounds like they were quoting things that are mostly associated with trans women.
Testosterone may be protective against some reproductive cancers, or more precisely, estrogen suppression might be.
We don’t have a ton of good data though​
Thank you! This is very reassuring. I know the people who told me that were only looking out for me but were misinformed I'll try talking to them about it​

[–]ND8586
No health issues, 14 years on T.
I can't think of anyone I've ever known who has had health issues from T. Maybe it is possible but I imagine it must be very rare or as a result of some underlying condition.
Sounds like people have no idea what they are talking about/sounds like people are trying to just talk you out of it

To be fair to OP, I've heard shit like this from actual doctors while in their office, more than once (yay for trans broken arm syndrome). It can be difficult to ignore it when it's coming from someone you're supposed to trust with your health. But yes, it's bullshit!

[–]almightypines
I’ve been on T for 20 years and I’m 40 years old. I haven’t had any health issues.
Many years ago there was a lot of fear mongering that T would cause reproductive cancers and it was highly advised to get a hysto by 5 years on T. We had basically no research at the time so I guess people just made stuff up out of caution. Anyway, many years have passed, we have a lot more research now (although we still need much more) and there isn’t any evidence that T causes cancer of any kind. I haven’t had any scares, and I know quite a few guys who are older and have been on T a long time who haven’t had any scares either that can attributed to T. I haven’t had a hysto and haven’t been encouraged to get one.
Being on T will also not weaken bones. That can happen if you don’t have any sex hormones in your body, estrogen or testosterone, though. If you have a hysto and have your ovaries removed, it’s highly encouraged that you’re on some form of hormone replacement. Probably all of us choose testosterone for obvious reasons.
As for liver issues, which often get mentioned also. T gel doesn’t have hepatic first pass metabolism and there’s some research that it’s safe for people with liver issues. Testosterone cypionate can have some risk to the liver, but I’ve never heard of it happening to any trans guy I know, and that’s typically caused by high doses we’re not being prescribed. Historically, oral forms of T were considered risky to the liver and I suspect that’s how T got a general reputation for liver problems. There is a new an oral form of T called undecanoate, which has been found safe for the liver though.
Other than that, you’d be subject to the same health risks as cis men, particularly cardiovascular disease, high cholesterol, etc. But that can in most cases be managed easily enough with routine blood work (which you’ll be required to do anyway), lifestyle changes (diet, exercise), and medication. I’ve had high cholesterol for like 10 years and my doctor doesn’t even suggest medication (yet) because based on my general health, age, and genetics, it wouldn’t reduce my risk in any notable way.


After almost 12 years, the biggest issue I’ve had is hair loss. I’ve known plenty of t-guys who’ve ended up with hair loss and have no genetic predisposition of it. Idk if it’s the cypionate or not, the fuller my beard gets, the less hair grows in my head 😅😎🐻
Oh yeah, I’ve been bald for like 15 years. I guess I don’t consider it a health risk. Lol.

Consider this as sourceless gossip, but I heard there was a doctor in trans care in a trans magnet city who used to code/bill hysterectomies (maybe also orchiectomies?) as a cancer-related procedure, in the dark times before insurance just covered trans care. My understanding was that they did it out of motivation to support their patients but it had some unintended outcomes. I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of dubious tactic led to a kind of rumor-mill perception: "oh all these transgender patients keep getting cancer..." or to some noise in demographic studies of trans patients' health risks.

[–]TrentSebastianTaylor
Been on T for 8 years, the only health related issues I’ve personally had is related to lower atrophy on T. I get frequent UTI’s because of atrophy and am on localized estrogen suppository to help keep healthy.

[–]thegundammkii
The truth is that things may lean more cis-male as you age as far as issues. T its self won't 'cause' a health problem.
The only direct thing that might cause you harm is if your allergic to the oil testosterone is commonly suspended in.

[–]tgjer
20+ years on T. No health issues related to it whatsoever.
It used to be assumed that long term T must cause problems with one's uterus/ovaries, so it was recommended that those on it get hysto within 5 years. But actual research on it have found no correlation. But if you want to be extra sure, hysto/oophorectomy removes all chance of cancer in that area.
T does not cause any issues with bone mineral density.

[–]Randy2191
So the main health risks people are referring to are mostly health risks that come with being a man. Yes, your bone density will change slightly but not enough to be worrisome. Your blood will probably become a bit thicker because of higher red cell production which increases your chance for a blood clot or heart attack but the risk isn't any higher than that of a cis man and can be reduced with good diet and exercise. As for risks exclusively for trans guys you'll need to look out for signs of vaginal atrophy and if/when that appears it can be corrected with a topical estrogen cream that will not effect your T levels at all. I'd say if going on T is something you want then go for it. Don't let everyone make you scared because of the supposed "health risks". Make no mistake it's a transition in every sense of the word but if it's what you want then it is entirely worth it in my opinion.

[–]Kok-jockey
20 years on T, 42 years old; in great health, no issues. Getting some high cholesterol that I’m managing with dietary changes and regular exercise.
Editing to add: these myths have been around forever. T doesn’t give you weak bones, it actually prevents the hormonal changes that cause women to get osteoporosis, so… It also doesn’t cause cancer. “Back in my day” we all used to be pretty scared of “inevitably” getting cancer in our reproductive organs, but they’ve been studying it long enough now that we know that’s not really an issue.
However, don’t believe people trying to scare you, and also don’t believe every person who says something on the internet. Talk to your doctor(s) and do research.

[–]urbanlandmine
I mean... are there health risks to living? Yes.
I started it a bit later in life. But I also started with a hormone imbalance. Cysts on ovaries, fibroids all over the place and hemoraging periods that never quit. Once I got that taken care of and went on T. I felt much better.
The only "health concern" I have now is high blood pressure. But also most of my allergies disappeared. So you figure it out. Estrogen caused more health concerns in my case.

[–]Eager_Question
T causes roughly the same health risks that being a cis man (as opposed to a cis woman) cause. So, higher incidence of heart disease, that kind of thing.
It also protects you with the same benefits that being a cis man provides (over being a cis woman). So, lower likelihood of osteoporosis when you are older (meaning thicker bones, the weaker bones thing is from long-term use of puberty blockers).
So, your health risks will change. But it's not particularly more dangerous than being a cis man is.
And people saying different are frankly perpetuating transphobic assumptions. This includes medical gatekeepers.

[–]mavericklovesthe80s
T itself does not cause any extra health risks. You will have higher risks at the same things a cis man will.I think atrophy with the original plumbing can be a thing, but not all of us get this. With local hormone treatment that can be manageable.And heightend hematocrit can become an issue, but also not every trans man will get this and it is also manageable by donating blood.

[–]Authenticatable
36 years on T. Just had annual physical. My doc said I’m “in exceptional health”. I would agree with the assessment.

[–]sp1nster
About 20 years on T, around 40 years old.
I’ve had HRT-related polycythemia, treated with therapeutic phlebotomy (giving blood without donation). Only had to do it once in my early 20s. Seems like it might have been a fluke.
I’ve had elevated blood pressure, lipids and cholesterol, and also sleep apnoea in my 30s. All resolved with weight loss, so probably not related to long term use of HRT.

I am in good health, with no reproductive or skeletal issues of any kind. Latest assessment gives me a less than 1% chance of a cardiovascular event (think strokes or heart attacks) in the next 10 years.
Side effects and negative effects are possible, in the short and long term. Especially for people who otherwise have health issues. But when weighing any treatment, you’ve got to weigh the potential benefits and risks against the benefits and risks of withholding treatment. Make an informed decision, in consultation with a qualified health professional, and move forward with confidence. If you need to change something later, with more experience and information, take that as it comes.

[–]RushingSpirit-raw
There is one term that you need to know to quiet anyone who tries to fear monger against you with absolutely no scientific basis.
MOLECULARLY IDENTICAL. The testosterone that we take is not a pharmasudical drug. The testosterone that we take is molecularly identical testosterone meaning that it behaves exactly identicaly the same exact way that testosterone behaves in every body with naturally produced testosterone. All "risk levels" of everything become equal to that of cis men. There is no real risk or side effects. It's a molecularly identical compound that your body is designed to process. When taken responsibility at the appropriate dose there are literally 0 side effects. Only what I call "true effects"

[–]Murky_Composer_7679
I have been on it for 24 years, and all of the things that they warn you about all the health scares with keeping your organs (no cysts/ cancer/ etc), with taking testosterone and that being harder on your system, heart, etc none of, it not a single one. Your health responses are due to your genetic role of the dice, T doesn't have any effect it's a perfectly natural hormone. Perhaps some people see these things but it's probably because they were going to have those problems either way on a long enough timeline. That's my guess, anyway. Know a few other dudes who have been on it 15-20 years and same for them. I think I know one guy who had to stop for medical reasons, but he has multiple terminal issues so it has more to do with how fragile he is because of his pre existing health concerns. He was a lateish blooming egg.

[–]Samesh
18 is a good age to learn that you can't trust non-medical professionals with your health. Even then, you should do your research and consult multiple people.
Those telling about the "risks" of t are most likely biased, scared, transphobic normies that couldn't describe what hormones are or what they do in our bodies if their lives depended on it.

My personal experience as someone who's been on t over a decade: 0 medical issues. I briefly had pre-diabetes a couple years ago but I lost some weight and now everything is hunky dory. No cancers and my bones are strong!
Your only issues on t will be the same as any man.

[–]RoadBlock98
no lol

[–]Forward-Wrongdoer462
Liver damage, so they say.

[–]SouLullivan
I actually know some people who have had improvements in joint hyper mobility and collagen disorders after taking T
Side effects of not transitioning: potentially depression, repressed desire/resentment that leads you to treat yourself and others poorly
I’ve seen some guys whose masculinity is not ok and are treating people poorly and/or being misogynistic really get grounded and become better men or mascs after starting T

IMO having a more stable and integrated sense of self can do a lot for someone struggling with CPTSD or personality disorders (which are a manifestation or form of cptsd), so if someone has to transition it’ll them them
This is anecdotal but I stand by it!

[–]jenstheman38
This is a very specific/rare one, but there are several studies showing an increased risk for an eye condition called central serous chorioretinopathy when taking exogenous testosterone (so not specific to trans guys - most examples I’ve read have been cis men treating low T).
Unfortunately, I won the lottery on that one!
(if you notice any vision changes on T, go straight to an eye doctor my dudes)
 
They don’t know what it’s like to be 14 years old, leading a walkout for trans rights at your school, and only 100 of the 3000+ people at your school turn up.
That experience should have made it clear that what you stood for was embarrassing and unpopular.
 
Finally, a dood-in-the-making asks: are there any actual ramifications to abusing testosterone
I feel like her being "documented" about testosterone was basically just browsing ftm and whatever fujo art her fellow pooners make. It's not all pedo staches and ingrown ass hair. I don't think liquifying reproductive organs, the beetus and heart attacks in your 30s is nothing.
 
LOL does the site block you from editing posts if you have been bequeathed a pink triangle? That's funny.

Honestly I don't even want to talk shit about this. It's nice to see a pooner in the gym for once. I'm sure she's insufferable as the rest of them but at least she's doing something productive.

I'd say it surprises me that more pooners aren't gym rats bc if I were juicing myself on T I'd be hitting the gym constantly but it really isn't surprising that most of these not-like-the-other-girls girls avoid one of the most masc hobbies there is. They're weak, fragile, and flabby, of course they don't lift.

That said, I wanna see this chick next to some actual gym bros. Proximity to real men always gives it away.
 
Back
Top Bottom