The Official Simpsons Griefing Thread

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Just heard about "Stark Raving Dad" getting pulled, surprised it took me this long.

I am mad on the internet. I don't give a fuck if Michael Jackson touched those kids or not, "Stark Raving Dad" is a fantastic episode of one of my favorite shows.

You can't not like it. The character arc of Jackson's character is so masterful I'd argue it rivals some of the better episodes of Futurama/the more emotionally driven episodes of The Simpsons. The fact that he "found some peace in talking in Jackson's voice because it made everyone around him happy" always got to me when I watched the episode- it's such a wholesome and wonderful sentiment that fits so well with the Lisa and Bart arc going on too.

It makes me miss good Simpsons episodes and times when people didn't give a fuck about the shit you did off-camera and could separate the artist from the art in cases like this. "Stark Raving Dad" has fucking zero to do with Michael Jackson diddling kids, and neither does Smooth Criminal or Off the Wall.

Fuck me, man.
 
sperginity said:
Do you think they'll delete the episode where we find out that troy mcclure is a zoophile? How the fuck did that get past censors in the first place? Its one of my favorite episodes for sure, but christ is it a fucked up subject for network television.
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"Hey, I thought you said Troy McClure was dead!"

"No, what I said was he sleeps with the fishes. Y'see..."

"Oh, no, please Tony, I just had a whole plate of dinga magoo."
 
Annie said:
It makes me miss good Simpsons episodes and times when people didn't give a fuck about the shit you did off-camera and could separate the artist from the art in cases like this. "Stark Raving Dad" has fucking zero to do with Michael Jackson diddling kids, and neither does Smooth Criminal or Off the Wall.

Fuck me, man.
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I just don't get why people are bringing up the kiddie diddling again now when Jackson's been dead for so long. Ironically, I was pretty set in believing the rumors until I actually watched that new documentary that's started all this and it set off my bullshit alarm.
 
The new Michael Jackson documentary was just the last straw, the Pink Donut-Eater Anti-Defamation League has been lobbying to have "Stark Raving Dad" removed from syndication for years.
 
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Piga Dgrifm said:
I just don't get why people are bringing up the kiddie diddling again now when Jackson's been dead for so long. Ironically, I was pretty set in believing the rumors until I actually watched that new documentary that's started all this and it set off my bullshit alarm.
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Yeah, like how do you inflict justice upon a dead man who was investigated for this in federal court? You can't.

If Lady Gaga dies and we find out she's diddled some kids, at least they'll pull that abortion of an episode from circulation.
 
sperginity said:
Do you think they'll delete the episode where we find out that troy mcclure is a zoophile? How the fuck did that get past censors in the first place? Its one of my favorite episodes for sure, but christ is it a fucked up subject for network television.
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That was a parody of urban legends at the time about Richard Gere enjoying the company of gerbils a bit too much.
And then when Gere actually guest starred on The Simpsons, there was some subplot about gerbils or hamsters or something and fans wondered if the writers intentionally did that as a subtle dig at Gere.
 
We've gotten to a point where specific television episodes of a classic show are getting #MeToo'd.

Sad days.

Honestly, I'm not defending MJ at all. If he did do the things he's being accused of (which quite honestly, he's been accused of for decades so why he's being condemned now is perplexing to me...I mean shit you could have done this while he was alive to really make your point) then he deserves all the scrutiny and shame coming his way.

But I really wish society would learn to separate the artist from the art, or at the very least, leave people who choose to do that alone. I mean if MJ upsets you to the point that you don't want to see or hear from him, then you aren't going to watch the episode anyway, right? So why try to take it away from the rest of us?

MJ was famous, and he was in stuff. And in the age of the internet, trying to remove something is a fruitless effort anyway because you'll never really rid it from people's memories. This isn't like it used to be where people never knew how many episodes a show had. Its like trying to take piss out of the ocean. It'll always be there for someone to find, so you're only achievement in removing the episode is virtue signaling and absolving yourselves for ever associating with the guy in the first place.
 
sasazuka said:
The new Michael Jackson documentary was just the last straw, the Pink Donut-Eater Anti-Defamation League has been lobbying to have "Stark Raving Dad" removed from syndication for years.
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To be fair, Michael Joseph Jackson was probably the most anti-Semitic celebrity since Charles Coughlin, including Mel Gibson and Tila Tequila.*

He's the only celebrity I know of who wired tens-of-thousands to a witch doctor to hex the Jew Bastards who wouldn't give him prime access to all those sexy Lost Boys he wanted to diddle.

* Who at least has the excuse of actually being mentally retarded.
 
iRON-mAn said:
https://www.indiewire.com/2019/03/simpsons-al-jean-michael-jackson-cameo-groom-boys-1202050917/



“ I should be very careful because this is not something I know personally.”

I.E. I'm mouthing off because I want to sound relevant.
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He "should be very careful" because he doesn't want to get sued like HBO is right now. He could have have a good reason to believe that the show was used to groom children, considering he worked on the episode with jackson, and said that the thought struck him immediately when watching Leaving Neverland. I wonder if there is an NDA to keep him from discussing the specifics or something? Or if he just doesn't want to get into a legal battle about what happened in the simpson's writing room that long ago?
 
iRON-mAn said:
https://www.indiewire.com/2019/03/simpsons-al-jean-michael-jackson-cameo-groom-boys-1202050917/



“ I should be very careful because this is not something I know personally.”

I.E. I'm mouthing off because I want to sound relevant.
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Implying that it would be beyond the pale for a pedophile to seek to gueststar in the coolest cartoon in history up to that point as a grooming tool?

Don't get me wrong. Al Jean is a piece of shit. He never should've let Jacko gueststar, and he absolutely had the authority to stop it since he was the fucking showrunner at the time; but Jacko using "Stark Raving Dad" for grooming is almost as obvious as the real reason Aaliyah's debut album was titled Age Ain't Nothing but a Number.

RumblyTumbly said:
We've gotten to a point where specific television episodes of a classic show are getting #MeToo'd.

Sad days.

Honestly, I'm not defending MJ at all. If he did do the things he's being accused of (which quite honestly, he's been accused of for decades so why he's being condemned now is perplexing to me...I mean shit you could have done this while he was alive to really make your point) then he deserves all the scrutiny and shame coming his way.

But I really wish society would learn to separate the artist from the art, or at the very least, leave people who choose to do that alone. I mean if MJ upsets you to the point that you don't want to see or hear from him, then you aren't going to watch the episode anyway, right? So why try to take it away from the rest of us?

MJ was famous, and he was in stuff. And in the age of the internet, trying to remove something is a fruitless effort anyway because you'll never really rid it from people's memories. This isn't like it used to be where people never knew how many episodes a show had. Its like trying to take piss out of the ocean. It'll always be there for someone to find, so you're only achievement in removing the episode is virtue signaling and absolving yourselves for ever associating with the guy in the first place.
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There's no moral component to any of this. MJ was a homosexual pedophile, true; but "Stark Raving Dad" aired in 1991, which was long after MJ's infamous double-date with Brooke Shields and Emmanuel Lewis at the '84 Grammy Awards.

Everyone in showbusiness with above-room-temperature IQs, and even some below, knew something was fishy from then on. Simpsons writers at the time actually counted among that number. Their decision to allow Jacko to guest star, even under a pseudonym, was unconscionable; but nothing less than what I'd expect from a show that let Mark Zuckerberg gueststar.
 
iRON-mAn said:
I.E. I'm mouthing off because I want to sound relevant.
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To be fair, the Simpsons and Michael Jackson had a very close relationship in the early years. Michael debuted his video Black & White before The Simpsons, he did backing vocals for Do the Bartman, and, of course, he appeared on the show in season 3. It wouldn't surprise me if Jackson had Simpsons paraphernalia at Neverland or showed it to guests because The Simpsons was HUGE back then, but the idea that he specifically groomed kids using his uncredited appearance as a fat mental patient is suspect.
 
Stab You in the Back said:
To be fair, the Simpsons and Michael Jackson had a very close relationship in the early years. Michael debuted his video Black & White before The Simpsons, he did backing vocals for Do the Bartman, and, of course, he appeared on the show in season 3. It wouldn't surprise me if Jackson had Simpsons paraphernalia at Neverland or showed it to guests because The Simpsons was HUGE back then, but the idea that he specifically groomed kids using his uncredited appearance as a fat mental patient is suspect.
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Early '90s Simpsons was hipper with kids than probably anything's been since. Especially because, unlike 4Kids Pokémon, it was edgy enough to where many parents didn't allow their kids to watch it, making it even cooler.

I can picture the conversation now:

BOY
Wow! You were on The Simpsons, Mikey? That's the GREATEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD! I'd do anything to be on The Simpsons.

JACKO
Anything?

BOY
Anything!

JACKO
. . . Get the butter.
 
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I feel this is the start, since now Disney owns Fox, they're gonna start deleting and eliminating a lot of old classic Simpsons episodes since they're not as progressive as the woke crowd of 2019 would accept, and the rat, desperate to appeal to SJWs and soulless Christian house moms, they'll do anything to delete that and promote the lame new episodes that have a "diversity is our strength" message or the like.

When you appeal to Lisa Simpson or Helen Lovejoy, you end up losing.
 
sperginity said:
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He "should be very careful" because he doesn't want to get sued like HBO is right now. He could have have a good reason to believe that the show was used to groom children, considering he worked on the episode with jackson, and said that the thought struck him immediately when watching Leaving Neverland. I wonder if there is an NDA to keep him from discussing the specifics or something? Or if he just doesn't want to get into a legal battle about what happened in the simpson's writing room that long ago?
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I doubt it's anything like an NDA or in a writing room if he doesn't personally know it to be true. And even if it is true, I'd still say he shouldn't be saying anything if he can't personally verify it because all he's doing is fanning the flames without being able to substantiate it.

Truthspeaker said:
Early '90s Simpsons was hipper with kids than probably anything's been since. Especially because, unlike 4Kids Pokémon, it was edgy enough to where many parents didn't allow their kids to watch it, making it even cooler.
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Sure, that's possible but it really has nothing to do with the Simpsons and the showrunner wouldn't have any knowledge of it, unless Jackson told him he wanted the merchandise for said purpose, which considering he's painted as some kind of mastermind of child abuse, seems unlikely.

I mean, if a guy uses M&Ms to lure a kid into a van, that doesn't make MARS Inc. culpable and I wouldn't expect anyone at the factory to know about it.
 
iRON-mAn said:
I doubt it's anything like an NDA or in a writing room if he doesn't personally know it to be true. And even if it is true, I'd still say he shouldn't be saying anything if he can't personally verify it because all he's doing is fanning the flames without being able to substantiate it.
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Al Jean is not a stupid man. He's not a good man, but not a stupid man.

Writers, especially back before wokeness plagued the nation, are among the only people in film or television who actually have above-average intelligence. He went to Harvard at sixteen, wasn't a legacy, got a mathematics degree, and made it to VP of Harvard Lampoon.

By '91, he already had a decade of experience in writers' rooms. He was in the middle of the Cesspool when Jacko brough Webster to the '84 Grammys. There's a better chance Joe Paterno didn't hear any pedo jokes about Sandusky than there is of Jean not hearing any pedo jokes about Jacko from '84 on.

iRON-mAn said:
Sure, that's possible but it really has nothing to do with the Simpsons and the showrunner wouldn't have any knowledge of it, unless Jackson told him he wanted the merchandise for said purpose, which considering he's painted as some kind of mastermind of child abuse, seems unlikely.

I mean, if a guy uses M&Ms to lure a kid into a van, that doesn't make MARS Inc. culpable and I wouldn't expect anyone at the factory to know about it.
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This isn't even in the same league as that.

Mars shouldn't be liable for Dan Schneider using M&Ms to get The Donut-Licker into his windowless van. Mars absolutely should be liable if they franchised a factory out to Dan Schneider so he could take the All That cast on tours through his candy paradise.

Jean will never face justice in this life for his part in the Jacko Affair. But that shouldn't stop the non-rètard section of the population from recognizing him as a man who cared far more about boosting his cartoon's popularity than giving a pedophile yet more cool points.
 
Truthspeaker said:
To be fair, Michael Joseph Jackson was probably the most anti-Semitic celebrity since Charles Coughlin, including Mel Gibson and Tila Tequila.*

He's the only celebrity I know of who wired tens-of-thousands to a witch doctor to hex the Jew Bastards who wouldn't give him prime access to all those sexy Lost Boys he wanted to diddle.

* Who at least has the excuse of actually being mentally exceptional.
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I didn't mean the actual (Jewish) Anti-Defamation League had anything to do with this, I was just making a weak joke because I like the "Just because I'm wearing a pink shirt doesn't mean that I'm some kind of [pause] pink-donut eater" joke from that episode so much.
 
sasazuka said:
I didn't mean the actual (Jewish) Anti-Defamation League had anything to do with this, I was just making a weak joke because I like the "Just because I'm wearing a pink shirt doesn't mean that I'm some kind of [pause] pink-donut eater" joke from that episode so much.
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Fair.

I just never pass up a chance to make Jacko jokes, mostly because even the most horrifying things about him always find a way to be extremely funny.
 
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