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The Official Simpsons Griefing Thread
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There's this odd feeling going from watching crap from "post-Zombie Simps" and then going back to stuff from the good show.
It's kind of hard to describe. It's like switching from ugly fluorescent lighting to candles?
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It's like going from The Tate to the Tate Modern.
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Miss the cartoony, wackier character designs for the secondary characters. Almost every single secondary character in Springfield is immediately recognizable, even one offs would have some visual quirks to them, now every single new character just looks... Bland. Even when they design them with current fashion trends in mind, they just dont look Simpsons at all
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I saw it, didn't like the fact that they based this around the fucking lottery. Dog of Death did that plotline better, and it was a footnote at best.
Also does the crew really not know of any other black actor that isn't KMR? Why is he voicing Bleeding Gums this episode and not another guest star?
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All new characters since the beginning of the zombie era look like they were made with one of those "Create your own simpsons character/avatar" flash games from the early 2000's, they all look like they were made with a template.
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Or traced from a photo.
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Ya know, it's weird to go back to some of the older seasons and see some of the foibles. Like the inconsistent address. I've noticed it in 2 episodes now. The one where Bart sicks Moe on Jimbo Jones, he gave Moe the address of 1094 Evergreen Terrace, and in Kamp Krusty they give the Simpsons address as 430 Spalding Way. I wonder if that was supposed to be a joke on the part of the early writers, never giving the Simpsons a cohesive address and it just sort of fell by the wayside with ideas like Marge having rabbit ears.
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I can only imagine how bad this show has become, I haven't seen anything from it in like 15 years, and it wasn't even very good anymore then.
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Same here. To me the show got "crappingly new" by around 2005, and I stopped seeing new episodes entirely around 2010.
(I remember seeing some of the movie, but I didn't like it that much.)
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This video randomly got recommended to me. It's from a small Irish Youtuber who does cartoon reviews, kinda like a smaller Alpha Jay or Mr. Enter. This video's subject is something we've already discussed a million times and can unanimously agree on, but it's yet another video to pinpoint the transition from Golden Era to Bronze Era and Zombie Era:
Basically, the early seasons were the "stone age", the Golden Era began with Season 3, and distinctly died in Season 11 with pointless garbage episodes like Beyond Blunderdome and Saddlesore Galactica. Again, debating the start of Zombie Era is a tired subject in this particular KF thread so it's just preaching to the choir, but for a small channel it's a pretty solid argument. I'd recommend showing it to any Zoomers or anyone too young to appreciate the Golden Era, to give a good summary of how and when it died. It's not pretentious and preachy like Rebel Taxi and since it's a small channel, there's no painful Raid Shadow Legends ad at the start, which is good.
Basically, the early seasons were the "stone age", the Golden Era began with Season 3, and distinctly died in Season 11 with pointless garbage episodes like Beyond Blunderdome and Saddlesore Galactica. Again, debating the start of Zombie Era is a tired subject in this particular KF thread so it's just preaching to the choir, but for a small channel it's a pretty solid argument. I'd recommend showing it to any Zoomers or anyone too young to appreciate the Golden Era, to give a good summary of how and when it died. It's not pretentious and preachy like Rebel Taxi and since it's a small channel, there's no painful Raid Shadow Legends ad at the start, which is good.
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I find it funny when fans complain the show became "unrealistic" when in Season 2's Bart The Daredevil Homer fell off a gorge twice and didn't die. And the show didn't become bad because of too many guest stars it always had guest stars. In my eyes you can't complain about the Mel Gibson episode and then pretend the Michael Jackson episode wasn't also similarly flawed. Frankly I think the Mel Gibson episode is genuinely far better than the Michael Jackson episode. The show declined because the magic of the original writer's room couldn't last forever, most importantly the original spirit of the show was slowly lost. That original spirit was due to Sam Simon.
First off I just want to note this since it confused me when looking at this image, but the first quarter of this image is called [Sam] Simon's era because Sam Simon was the "creative supervisor", a title (to my research) no one else has held on The Simpsons. Simon's role meant he had more control over The Simpsons than either Groening or Brooks. Sam Simon is regularly credited as the man most responsible for The Simpson's golden age, for its storytelling, humor and tone. He was the one who hired the original writers and led them for the first 4 seasons. And those writers, they were amazingly talent, and by Season 7 most of them left the show. And that's not to dismiss Groening and James L Brooks as creative heads. It was Groening who dreamt up the yellow family and the show revolving around the crazy town of Springfield is said to be inspired by Groening who loved SCTV and it's fictional town Melonville. As for James L Brooks, The Simpson's creative freedom is because he wrote into the contract that Fox couldn't interfere with the show. You really can't understate how pivotal that freedom was; in Season 1 alone Homer tries to commit suicide and Marge nearly has an affair due to the seduction of a French Bowler. Any other sitcom made back then would have been swamped with Network Notes for such things, this was especially daring since The Simpsons being a cartoon was bound to be watched by children.
Anyway Sam Simon, he's the man who gave The Simpson's its depth. It was a cartoon that had more nuanced characters than practically any other sitcom before it and the majority the sitcoms that came after. A great example of this is Season 2's "Two Cars in Every Garage and Three Eyes on Every Fish" written by Simon and John Swartzwelder. Watch that episode and look at how Mr. Burns is portrayed, he's still the primary antagonist of the series. The only reason he's running for Governor is because he wants to avoid paying a fortune to get the Power Plant up to code. The episode is of course well known for being a tribute to Citizen Kane, and with that Burns is made the defacto protagonist for most of the story. It's downright sad when he's crying in his car. Marge obviously is the hero for destroying Burn's campaign by cooking him the three-eyed fish but emotionally she's framed from an antagonistic standpoint. Sam Simon's direction was to make even the most evil character of the show sympathetic if the story needed it.
Now ask yourself how would modern day Simpsons write a story premise like "Mr. Burns runs for Governor?" Well based on the insufferable clips I bother to see I imagine it being far more hamfisted. The catalyst of the story wouldn't be the discovery of a weird Three-Eyed Fish which became an iconic image of the series, it would instead be some horrific mutant or maybe just some random character growing a third arm or some shit. They would be compelled to insert direct political references into the show, note how this episode in question doesn't even mention Democrats or Republicans. I'm guessing Burns would be portrayed as purely cartoonishly evil, I mean jesus by Season 7 (a great season by all means) he blocks the SUN just so the city has to use more of his energy.
I can go on and on but I feel the distinguishing factor about The Simpsons was that it was a smartly written character driven show. A lot of people will praise The Simpsons for being a satirical show and it was. But the original incarnation wasn't an in your face satire like virtually any other product that falls into the genre. It was a show that lampooned society but it was still ultimately focused on the comedic adventures of a silly yellow family and a handful of important secondary characters. Five or so seasons after Sam Simon quit it effectively turned into a run of the mill Gag-a-Day TV Show. It became less and less character driven, because being a character driven show with heart is HARD to write for. It's far easier to just be silly.
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That's a pretty interesting assessment and one that I hadn't really thought of, and it would also explain why I consider the Scully years to be a "Silver Age" that was still very good but just not quite as on-point as the golden seasons.
Sam Simon was on the show at least up through Season 12 according to the chart.
And the awkward pre-movie middle years in the 2000's where Al Jean was now in charge but the show was still at least watchable could largely be chalked up to guys like Swartzwelder still clinging on as writers.
By August 2007, the movie was out and all of the old guard had left completely, save for Al Jean.
Sam Simon is probably the direct antithesis of Al Jean...
That's a pretty interesting assessment and one that I hadn't really thought of, and it would also explain why I consider the Scully years to be a "Silver Age" that was still very good but just not quite as on-point as the golden seasons.
Sam Simon was on the show at least up through Season 12 according to the chart.
And the awkward pre-movie middle years in the 2000's where Al Jean was now in charge but the show was still at least watchable could largely be chalked up to guys like Swartzwelder still clinging on as writers.
By August 2007, the movie was out and all of the old guard had left completely, save for Al Jean.
Sam Simon is probably the direct antithesis of Al Jean...
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Sorry, that image from Dead Homer's Society isn't clearly stated. It is not saying that Simon was still on the show by Season 12, he left the Simpsons in 1993 (Season 4). The individual writers are grouped into categories of which producers hired them. The chart shows how the Simpsons Writers room changed overtime with the writers moving on to different projects. By Season 12 the majority of the Simpsons writers were not on the show during its 90s heyday.
It's always fun to make a certain person a villain. And Simpsons fans for years to come will blame Mike Scully and Al Jean for being the showrunners during the decline. Some blame Matt Groening for starting Futurama and taking a few writers away from The Simpsons. But really I don't think there is a clear villain here.
The truth is the entertainment landscape changed so rapidly in the 90s. I really do believe a major reason why Sam Simon was able to get the amazing writers room was because The Simpsons offered a ton of creative freedom. Check out the audio commentary for "Marge vs The Monorail" and Conan is just giddy as he talks about how much he loved writing such high concept TV. What other sitcom in that era could writers have such creative freedom? I'd say there was only Seinfeld that could oftentimes break the mold of the traditional and budget friendly multiple camera setup.
What I guess I'm trying to say with these nerdy posts is just be happy that we got 9 (or more YMMV) seasons of The Simpsons being a brilliant sitcom. Because I'm very certain we will never see another product like classic seasons of The Simpsons, Futurama, and King of the Hill. You had brilliant comedic writers working alongside brilliant cartoonists.
And don't consider me pessimistic for saying another great cartoon cannot come out. The fact is the era that those three Fox Network Original Series started under is long gone. TV Shows don't get 20 Million viewers anymore. Budgets have been slashed.
Simpsons superfans like me take the show for granted because we grew up with it. Ultimately it was a fluke that it ended up being so damn good. For crying out loud it was a spinoff of The Tracey Ullman Show, which no one remembers because nobody watched it!
I learned a lot about Sam Simon and his contributions to the show simply from looking at his Wikipedia Page and the Wikisimpons page. Most fascinating is that Groening straight up hated Sam Simon, confirmed by the New York Times.
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Billie Eilish is guest starring in a new Simpsons short for Disney+.
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For the life of me, I'll never understand the popularity of Billie Eilish. She comes across as your typical shopper at Hot Topic somehow got famous 20+ years too late. Perfect for the modern Simpsons which has been dead since the 2000's.
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I don't know who this is.
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I was the same way. A few years ago, when I saw some shit, that featured Billie and her music, I thought it was a dude, and I had to be informed, that no, that's a female.