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You could make a good argument for Idris Elba as a 00-Agent in the modern world.

With more and more of British imperialist interests in brown countries, with the former Western oversight gone and now brown people in charge of everything, being white would actually be a problem for a 00 in Africa, the Middle East, or South America. He could blend in easier, be more accepted by the local authorities, and have an easier time getting people to trust him. Even a British accent wouldn't hurt, because a quick claim that he grew up the childhood servant of some British noble given authority over the region he grew up in would be immediately relatable to the population of the nations he would be operating in. Even educated Africans would be more likely to trust a black 00-Agent with a British accent than a white guy.

But then, I probably just put in more thought to it than everyone screaming for him to be Bond has combined.
 
Tranhuviya said:
The droid situation is weird in general. If I had to make comparisons, the smartest of them are like the positronic brain 'bots of Asimov. These are ostensibly thinking, living beings held as slaves. So it does provoke a lot of thought if you think about it.
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It does, but I don't think Star Wars lends itself to tackling this kind of topic. Hell, this is a universe where clones can be mass-produced as mamluk cannon fodder and the "guardians of peace and justice" are just sort of OK with it.
 
MysticMisty said:
lol I bet some mega-sperg can say there's one in a different movie that actually came first.
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I am said sperg and apologies for being :late: since I haven’t checked this thread for a while, but I can confirm they missed EV-9D9 from Return of the Jedi:

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To be fair, she was voiced by a man (director Richard Marquand) and it wasn’t obvious she was female.

There’s no such excuse for them missing TC-14 from The Phantom Menace who was very clearly female:

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What's so important about female droids?Is there like this massive fanbase that wastes time on droids and wants to self identify with them?Are droids even human?What would be the point of programming human gender specific traits in a droid?Unless its a sexbot it makes absolutely no sense to build a droid to human specific gender requirements and programm it to identify as bigendered trans whatever.Its actually a waste of money to do that if its not a sexbot since you have to waste time making complex algorithms that take that into account.Not to mention the elephant in the room if you actually make them that complex to be able to self identify as whatever you run the risk of them being hard to control.Actualy that last part might end up true in real life.
 
iafiv said:
What's so important about female droids?
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If and when we ever do create true artificial intelligences, I'd be willing to be that some will come across as male and others as female. It's just the way people think. Everyone calls C-3PO "he" even though he's voiced by Anthony Daniels.

I suspect, though, that you're right. In a robot-heavy society, I'd be willing to bet that people would think of them as gender-neutral, the way we do computers and tablets.
 
iafiv said:
What's so important about female droids?Is there like this massive fanbase that wastes time on droids and wants to self identify with them?Are droids even human?What would be the point of programming human gender specific traits in a droid?Unless its a sexbot it makes absolutely no sense to build a droid to human specific gender requirements and programm it to identify as bigendered trans whatever.Its actually a waste of money to do that if its not a sexbot since you have to waste time making complex algorithms that take that into account.Not to mention the elephant in the room if you actually make them that complex to be able to self identify as whatever you run the risk of them being hard to control.Actualy that last part might end up true in real life.
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It could be something of an uncanny valley thing, where we could tolerate and work with them easier if they have something resembling a human personality rather than an impersonal computer (example, your lonely widowed grandma would prefer an artificial caretaker with the personality of an old man). If it's too generic and obviously non-human people would find it creepy and not purchase them. It's something that actually applies to real-life, not just movies. Not that it matters to these people since they're obsessed with pointless representation.
 
MysticMisty said:
It could be something of an uncanny valley thing, where we could tolerate and work with them easier if they have something resembling a human personality rather than an impersonal computer (example, your lonely widowed grandma would prefer an artificial caretaker with the personality of an old man). If it's too generic and obviously non-human people would find it creepy and not purchase them. It's something that actually applies to real-life, not just movies. Not that it matters to these people since they're obsessed with pointless representation.
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Yeah I've seen this, people will try and humanize machinery they interact with. My old job named the automated lifting robot Gary, used male nouns about him, drew a smiley face on him and used to interact with him like he was a a dog. Their was even a drive to bring him to the christmas party.

Its interesting that one of our first efforts to humanize something is to provide it with a gender but mary sue and sjw's hold masculinity in such low regard. Just watched a video about how negative the concept of masculinity is and it never occurs to the maker it might simply be an inherant concept which filters into our mindset rather than an ideal or code (or he'd be torn a new asshole if he suggested the opposite). Once you remove this facet you immediatly shift in uncanny valley.
 
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It would be ironic if robots do become Terminators in the future but only because humans imposed on them their values and attitudes to the point robots said 'enough i'm tired of being a transgendered bi-woman for these humans i can never be anything except what they think lets nuke'em.'Actually that might happen if its actually possible to build Data like robots.The robots rise up since they're tired of having to conform to human standards.
 
BScCollateral said:
Everyone calls C-3PO "he" even though he's voiced by Anthony Daniels.
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Uh... Everyone calls him a he even though he's voiced by a man? I think people call him "He" because he's voiced by a man.

I think it's that simple with robots/machines that speak. They're gonna get called by the gender of the voice. If they don't have a voice I guess it's up to the first weirdo to give it a name or personality.
 
BScCollateral said:
As C-3PO affects a prissy, effeminate speaking pattern I was attempting to suggest that the actor was less than a man. Apologies as I didn't pull it off.
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Well I think that's why most people consider 3p0 to be a very prissy robot. Which probably leads to all the gay robot jokes about him. It does sort of fit as he's a "protocol droid" whatever the hell that means. Even though he was a custom made robot built by darth vader.... ugh.
 
Given that Space Jam 2 is a definate, the good ladies at TMS are drooling all over it. Then they brought up this line...

"Not to mention Lola Bunny is an icon, and we want her to get the glory she deserves. Also, if we could get Serena Williams in this, that would be dope. Or you know what? She can get her own Space Jam movie, directed by Ava DuVernay."
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Yeah, if the Toon Squad is losing she can throw a big enough trantrum that the bad guys will appologize for winning. Personally, I hope they go with The Looney Tunes Show version of Lola where she actually has a personality and flaws. Also, imagine the reeeeeeeeing from those ladies if they did.
 
Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
Given that Space Jam 2 is a definate, the good ladies at TMS are drooling all over it. Then they brought up this line...

Yeah, if the Toon Squad is losing she can throw a big enough trantrum that the bad guys will appologize for winning. Personally, I hope they go with The Looney Tunes Show version of Lola where she actually has a personality and flaws. Also, imagine the reeeeeeeeing from those ladies if they did.
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So they want to churn out a bunch of new Space Jams as a vessel for muh black representation?

Not like black athletes are famous for, y'know, sports...
 
Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
Given that Space Jam 2 is a definate, the good ladies at TMS are drooling all over it. Then they brought up this line...



Yeah, if the Toon Squad is losing she can throw a big enough trantrum that the bad guys will appologize for winning. Personally, I hope they go with The Looney Tunes Show version of Lola where she actually has a personality and flaws. Also, imagine the reeeeeeeeing from those ladies if they did.
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Why are they reeeeing over blatant fap fodder for furries?
 
Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
Given that Space Jam 2 is a definate, the good ladies at TMS are drooling all over it. Then they brought up this line...



Yeah, if the Toon Squad is losing she can throw a big enough trantrum that the bad guys will appologize for winning. Personally, I hope they go with The Looney Tunes Show version of Lola where she actually has a personality and flaws. Also, imagine the reeeeeeeeing from those ladies if they did.
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Jesus. You don't have to pretend Space Jam 2 will be any good.
 
Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
The ladies at TMS seem to overlook that since Lola has a nostalgia factor to her, no flaws, no goofiness and is generally better than the guys.
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No flaws - and no personality either, of course. (I wouldn't mind if they modeled Lola on her Looney Tunes Show depiction, though; it'd make her interesting.)
 
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