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Meowthkip said:
I think maybe they find sociopolitical reasons to say why they don't like things because when they want to pretend to like something that sucks, but supports their agenda, they can talk about how morally superior they are for liking it.

See Ghostbusters 2016.
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There's also that issue, too. It's becoming a selling point for things nowadays to plaster 'progressive' onto the label in order to incite a belief that it would be degressive to dislike their product. And people truly, genuinely buy into it despite the overtly deceitful nature of nearly every film, game, toy, and television show that has ever tried to play this card. It gives the consumer a sense of superiority, and is the match to incite flames all across discussion boards therefore drawing attention to their product. It's like when Sony Pictures makes bad movies and profits off the over-exaggerated response to the overtly bad idea, except with -isms.
 
Bani said:
While shows like Futurama and Rick and Morty are generally preferable because the writers are making jokes about sci-fi media and not sci fi fans themselves, there are still times when laughing at nerds can be a good setup for jokes (insert cheeky comment about this very forum). KC Green's The Anime Club is a good example of making fun of nerds done right.

Thing is, in order to do a good job of making fun of something, you kind of have to understand it. KC Green obviously understood how weeaboos work when he wrote The Anime Club. The Big Bang Theory is written by people who don't understand nerd culture or the inner workings of it; most of their jokes are just about mainstream things that happen to be sci-fi or fantasy, like Game of Thrones, the MCU, and Star Wars. You're never going to see jokes about the most autistic (and therefor funniest) of nerds on there, likely because the writers are unaware of what modern geeks actually like. They're only aware of the most common, dated stereotypes: D&D, comic books, science fiction, and video games.
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Anyone remember that pilot for a show called Welcome to Ellingtonville? It wasn't flawless, but it did a better job of making fun of geek culture. Their references were much more in touch with the interests of the people they were poking fun at.

 
Magic Sun Daddy said:
Anyone remember that pilot for a show called Welcome to Ellingtonville? It wasn't flawless, but it did a better job of making fun of geek culture. Their references were much more in touch with the interests of the people they were poking fun at.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4gK0uNlLa3s
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The pilot is a watered down version of the comic which really captures the nastiest of nerd culture.
 
Chan the Wizard said:
The pilot is a watered down version of the comic which really captures the nastiest of nerd culture.
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I think what makes it work is the fact that it's coming from people that you know are a part of nerd culture. Listening to SJWs blister about their alleged love of all things pertaining to it, it becomes abundantly clear that their interest in need culture is surface level at best.
 
MintChocolateChip said:
There's also that issue, too. It's becoming a selling point for things nowadays to plaster 'progressive' onto the label in order to incite a belief that it would be degressive to dislike their product.
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The fact that this has so often been used to pimp crap products has created the inescapable presumption that any time a thing is pimped in this way, it is always utter garbage.
 
Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
It's soooo hard to be creative under the reign of Trump. Especially when anti-Trump material is encouraged and praised no matter how much it sucks. Not mention virtue signaling and social justice is the in thing.

Personally, I'm surprised there's non comicgate or Diversity & Comics articles.
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You know, someone like a Thomas Nast or Walt Kelly would have looked at the last nine months and seen a goldmine. It's not your fault you can't see the opportunities placed in front of you, now, can you?

These people are all Dobsons.
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
You know, someone like a Thomas Nast or Walt Kelly would have looked at the last nine months and seen a goldmine. It's not your fault you can't see the opportunities placed in front of you, now, can you?
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Thank you for reminding me that we live in a world without Walt Kelly.
 
Honestly if Trump hadn't been elected most of these left wing culture sites would have had a lot less material to work with.Like him or not Trump does make easy material his style is suited for two bit so called culture critics.Hillary doesn't work nearly as well.Even normal politician jokes don't work nearly as well with her she's too bland no personality.
 
Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
It's soooo hard to be creative under the reign of Trump. Especially when anti-Trump material is encouraged and praised no matter how much it sucks. Not mention virtue signaling and social justice is the in thing.

Personally, I'm surprised there's non comicgate or Diversity & Comics articles.
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This is what happens when a couple of people who know jack dick about art try to write an article about art. Art typically experiences resurgences after/during periods of political unrest- the exact opposite of what they claim. When times are easy, people become complacent and less inclined to create. When times become hard, however, people feel passionate one way or the other, and this drives them to create.

Hopefully this fad of pissing and moaning about diversity in comics dies down. At the last major comic convention I attended, a third of the panels were about "feminism" or "diversity" or some horseshit like that. It's a fucking comic book convention, not a Rainbow Coalition meeting! I fully support diverse superheros, but when people go to conventions, they go to have fun, not take a fucking gender studies class.

Besides, comics already *are* diverse, sometimes to an almost comical extent. Have these people picked up an issue of Young Avengers lately? Who am I kidding, of course they haven't- they don't read comic books, they just whine about them on their blogs.
 
The one thing about the Mary Sue is that it's pretty good on watching out on whose the idiot of the conversation, gamer girls subreddit because shut up that's why I'm there. I'm agreeing with the idea of more black girl gamers, some jackass posts a fucking mary sue article link. I didn't even glaze my eyes over it, I really didn't but I just smile and nod like I'm a muslim wife and agreed with the other person.
 
iafiv said:
Honestly if Trump hadn't been elected most of these left wing culture sites would have had a lot less material to work with.Like him or not Trump does make easy material his style is suited for two bit so called culture critics.Hillary doesn't work nearly as well.Even normal politician jokes don't work nearly as well with her she's too bland no personality.
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I think if anything he feels like too easy a target; he's so unlikable and already a walking caricature of himself it feels like beating a dead horse. Shit, George W. Bush was rounded enough to get a wealth if material from him. Trump just feels like a cardboard cutout covered in blinking lights and gold trim, with a little squawk-box taped to the back that says the same old shit. A lot of the material on him feels lazy. Not all of it, of course, but a lot.

Maybe I'm just jaded, I dunno.
 
Meowthkip said:
I think if anything he feels like too easy a target; he's so unlikable and already a walking caricature of himself it feels like beating a dead horse. Shit, George W. Bush was rounded enough to get a wealth if material from him. Trump just feels like a cardboard cutout covered in blinking lights and gold trim, with a little squawk-box taped to the back that says the same old shit. A lot of the material on him feels lazy. Not all of it, of course, but a lot.
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The problem is criticism and mockery of him is such an endless shit storm you slowly start tuning it out and ignoring actual damage. Same thing happened with Obama-so much noise about birth certificates that no one gave a shit when he started phone tapping.
 
Emperor Julian said:
The problem is criticism and mockery of him is such an endless shit storm you slowly start tuning it out and ignoring actual damage. Same thing happened with Obama-so much noise about birth certificates that no one gave a shit when he started phone tapping.
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And Drone striking.
 
Meowthkip said:
I think if anything he feels like too easy a target; he's so unlikable and already a walking caricature of himself it feels like beating a dead horse. Shit, George W. Bush was rounded enough to get a wealth if material from him. Trump just feels like a cardboard cutout covered in blinking lights and gold trim, with a little squawk-box taped to the back that says the same old shit. A lot of the material on him feels lazy. Not all of it, of course, but a lot.

Maybe I'm just jaded, I dunno.
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Chimping out about Trump is literally what got him elected. Or at least one of two things. The substantive thing was he at least talked about jobs and the economy, while Hillary was shrieking and gibbering about cartoon frogs and other crazy bullshit. The second thing was the frenzied, unhinged rage about his mere existence. People who otherwise didn't care voted for him just to piss off these shrieking idiots even more. Spite is a powerful motivator.

Hillary had no fucking excuse to lose to a candidate whose only substantive point was her own husband's "it's the economy, stupid" that James Carville mopped the floor with Bush Sr. with. The economy is literally the only single fucking issue every goddamn person in the country actually cares about. If your opponent is talking about the economy and your counter is unhinged babbling about Internet memes, you're going to lose.
 
BigTubboWithLittleChina said:
'My son loves Frozen. We watched it twice a day for months. He could sing every word of “Let It Go” before he could speak in full sentences.'

The voice of The Mary Sue, ladies and gentlemen. I want to believe that's a lie, because if it's true - gawd help that poor little kiddy. Gawd help him.
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Honestly, that sounds like normal small child behavior.

My youngest sister would watch The Little Mermaid on loop for hours. I actually would watch her wait until the tape ended, get up, rewind it, and then play it again from the beginning. She was four.

Also if he's as young as the author is implying, then gender stereotypes are likely not going to matter much to him. That shit doesn't really take a hold until kindergarten at the earliest, when they're interacting with other children a lot more and they learn about what's considered "girl stuff" and "boy stuff."
 
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