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MysticMisty said:
I'd like to know who the hell is actually geeky/nerdy and watches Big Bang Theory?
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I watched the first couple seasons and liked it, but gradually stopped when I found more interesting series to watch. Its not the best comedy ever, but solid entertainment (imo).
 
Do the folks at TMS actually analyse pop culture outside of the how feminist/pro-lgbtqwhatever/pro-race it is?I mean most of their criticisms come down to 'this character is not enlightened enough for our taste' not whether the character is well written in any way or even compelling or even how good of a performance the actor gave.I wonder what would they make of Al Bundy that would be a fun read.
 
iafiv said:
Do the folks at TMS actually analyse pop culture outside of the how feminist/pro-lgbtqwhatever/pro-race it is?I mean most of their criticisms come down to 'this character is not enlightened enough for our taste' not whether the character is well written in any way or even compelling or even how good of a performance the actor gave.I wonder what would they make of Al Bundy that would be a fun read.
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Or to go back a little further, Archie Bunker from All in the Family. He was a not terribly smart bigot, but somehow compensated by actually being a pretty decent person. He was originally intended to be disliked by the audience but turned out very popular, probably because of Carrol O'Connor's sympathetic portrayal.
 
AnOminous said:
Or to go back a little further, Archie Bunker from All in the Family. He was a not terribly smart bigot, but somehow compensated by actually being a pretty decent person. He was originally intended to be disliked by the audience but turned out very popular, probably because of Carrol O'Connor's sympathetic portrayal.
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Or even further. The inspiration for Archie Bunker, Alf Garnett.
 
CWCissey said:
Or even further. The inspiration for Archie Bunker, Alf Garnett.
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It wasn't the only show Normal Lear ripped off from the BBC. The spin-off from All in the Family was Sanford and Son, ripped off from Steptoe and Son. It eventually turned into more of a vehicle for Redd Foxx, though.
 
AnOminous said:
It wasn't the only show Normal Lear ripped off from the BBC. The spin-off from All in the Family was Sanford and Son, ripped off from Steptoe and Son. It eventually turned into more of a vehicle for Redd Foxx, though.
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Wait wasn't the spin off from All In The Family The Jeffersons?
 
Why do people have to find a sociopolitical reason to hate the things they hate? What happened to the good ol' days of hating something simply because it sucks?

Like... why are legbeards suddenly starting a moral crusade against a show that everybody who isn't an inbred mouth-breather already knows sucks? The show is scarcely even relevant anymore; most the people who watch it are either 12 year old boys or middle-aged white trash. "Hey guys! You know this thing people have been saying is terrible for years now! Well, get this: It's terrible!"

There are so many obvious non-Tumblr reasons for why it sucks. 1) Canned laughter is dated and annoying 2) There are no jokes, just people referencing things "nerds" like 3) All of the characters are insufferable douche bags 4) The old farts who write the show obviously have no grasp of what's relevant in nerd culture, and therefor have no basis for jokes beyond "duuuh we don't understand them, so it must be funny durrr!" 5) Live sitcoms suck 90% of the time, and are honestly a thing of the past.

Anybody who two brain cells to rub together already dislikes it. What's the point in looking for more justification?
 
Bani said:
Why do people have to find a sociopolitical reason to hate the things they hate? What happened to the good ol' days of hating something simply because it sucks?

Like... why are legbeards suddenly starting a moral crusade against a show that everybody who isn't an inbred mouth-breather already knows sucks? The show is scarcely even relevant anymore; most the people who watch it are either 12 year old boys or middle-aged white trash. "Hey guys! You know this thing people have been saying is terrible for years now! Well, get this: It's terrible!"

There are so many obvious non-Tumblr reasons for why it sucks. 1) Canned laughter is dated and annoying 2) There are no jokes, just people referencing things "nerds" like 3) All of the characters are insufferable douche bags 4) The old farts who write the show obviously have no grasp of what's relevant in nerd culture, and therefor have no basis for jokes beyond "duuuh we don't understand them, so it must be funny durrr!" 5) Live sitcoms suck 90% of the time, and are honestly a thing of the past.

Anybody who two brain cells to rub together already dislikes it. What's the point in looking for more justification?
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That's not enough for most people these days. You'll get more people to listen if you talk about how offensive it is.
 
Bani said:
There are so many obvious non-Tumblr reasons for why it sucks. 1) Canned laughter is dated and annoying 2) There are no jokes, just people referencing things "nerds" like 3) All of the characters are insufferable douche bags 4) The old farts who write the show obviously have no grasp of what's relevant in nerd culture, and therefor have no basis for jokes beyond "duuuh we don't understand them, so it must be funny durrr!" 5) Live sitcoms suck 90% of the time, and are honestly a thing of the past.
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I'm on Kiwi Farms and even I'm offended at how it portrays autists.
 
AnOminous said:
I'm on Kiwi Farms and even I'm offended at how it portrays autists.
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While shows like Futurama and Rick and Morty are generally preferable because the writers are making jokes about sci-fi media and not sci fi fans themselves, there are still times when laughing at nerds can be a good setup for jokes (insert cheeky comment about this very forum). KC Green's The Anime Club is a good example of making fun of nerds done right.

Thing is, in order to do a good job of making fun of something, you kind of have to understand it. KC Green obviously understood how weeaboos work when he wrote The Anime Club. The Big Bang Theory is written by people who don't understand nerd culture or the inner workings of it; most of their jokes are just about mainstream things that happen to be sci-fi or fantasy, like Game of Thrones, the MCU, and Star Wars. You're never going to see jokes about the most autistic (and therefor funniest) of nerds on there, likely because the writers are unaware of what modern geeks actually like. They're only aware of the most common, dated stereotypes: D&D, comic books, science fiction, and video games.
 
Bani said:
Why do people have to find a sociopolitical reason to hate the things they hate? What happened to the good ol' days of hating something simply because it sucks?

Like... why are legbeards suddenly starting a moral crusade against a show that everybody who isn't an inbred mouth-breather already knows sucks? The show is scarcely even relevant anymore; most the people who watch it are either 12 year old boys or middle-aged white trash. "Hey guys! You know this thing people have been saying is terrible for years now! Well, get this: It's terrible!"

There are so many obvious non-Tumblr reasons for why it sucks. 1) Canned laughter is dated and annoying 2) There are no jokes, just people referencing things "nerds" like 3) All of the characters are insufferable douche bags 4) The old farts who write the show obviously have no grasp of what's relevant in nerd culture, and therefor have no basis for jokes beyond "duuuh we don't understand them, so it must be funny durrr!" 5) Live sitcoms suck 90% of the time, and are honestly a thing of the past.

Anybody who two brain cells to rub together already dislikes it. What's the point in looking for more justification?
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For a lot of people, they labor under the idea that disliking something just because its bad is poor reasoning. This is also combined with a black and white mindset of that if they don't like it, nothing in it can be good. Because of this they construct sociopolitical reasons that the piece of media in question is bad, therefore it straight out SHOULDN'T be watched in order to avoid any arguments of potential qualities of the media in question. Once they've sorted out that hackneyed sociopolitical reason, anytime someone points out any possible quality of the media in question they can simply yell 'DAS RACIST/SEXIST/TRANSEXIST/ABLEIST/WHATEVER' to deter the idea that there's pinches of possibly good ideas in otherwise poorly constructed media.

Simply put, it's easier to just force a reason to hate everything instead of examining the complexities of the actual product.
 
MintChocolateChip said:
For a lot of people, they labor under the idea that disliking something just because its bad is poor reasoning. This is also combined with a black and white mindset of that if they don't like it, nothing in it can be good. Because of this they construct sociopolitical reasons that the piece of media in question is bad, therefore it straight out SHOULDN'T be watched in order to avoid any arguments of potential qualities of the media in question. Once they've sorted out that hackneyed sociopolitical reason, anytime someone points out any possible quality of the media in question they can simply yell 'DAS RACIST/SEXIST/TRANSEXIST/ABLEIST/WHATEVER' to deter the idea that there's pinches of possibly good ideas in otherwise poorly constructed media.

Simply put, it's easier to just force a reason to hate everything instead of examining the complexities of the actual product.
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I think maybe they find sociopolitical reasons to say why they don't like things because when they want to pretend to like something that sucks, but supports their agenda, they can talk about how morally superior they are for liking it.

See Ghostbusters 2016.
 
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