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Steamboat_Bill said:
There was that one, to be sure, but I also don't recall the original show having stereotypical MRAs as villains as in the clip above...

From everything I can find it seems the reboot of the show is going to be the sort of inane pseudo-feminist "girl power" crap the original was not.
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As far as the male thing goes, there was an episode where they wanted to join a group of super-heroes but were mocked for being little girls despite being better. Even the villain was a sort of guy that talked tough only to cry like a little girl when defeated. Don't know if TMS would acknowledge that.
 
c-no said:
As far as the male thing goes, there was an episode where they wanted to join a group of super-heroes but were mocked for being little girls despite being better. Even the villain was a sort of guy that talked tough only to cry like a little girl when defeated. Don't know if TMS would acknowledge that.
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Yeah wasn't it a complete mock up of The Avengers, with Thor as a Scandinavian rock God, Captain America as an arrogant bastard and such?
 
I had to do some digging to find out what in the world they're on about. Finally I found out what happened.

The winner, a boy, invented "a games controller which harnesses kinetic energy from thumb action using wind-up triggers". The next runners-up invented "smart curtains", a "smart fridge", and a "sleep monitor". This was reported here.

In other words, the winner figured out how to get rid entirely of batteries and wires for powering controllers. But the feminists insist that this competition wasn't about who could make the best invention or innovation; it's about making fragile little girls feel better about STEM. From the MS article:

This “mixup” is a pretty stark example of the kind of two-timing manipulation many women face at the hands of male scientists. They work hard, paying time and effort into something that is ostensibly for them, but in the end, it just ends up getting taken away and used against them.
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If that 13-year-old kid managed to turn the entire contest against girls and use it to hurt them, all just by entering his new self-winding controller, then he's smarter than everyone involved and deserves a freaking scholarship to MIT.
 
Vorhtbame said:
I had to do some digging to find out what in the world they're on about. Finally I found out what happened.

The winner, a boy, invented "a games controller which harnesses kinetic energy from thumb action using wind-up triggers". The next runners-up invented "smart curtains", a "smart fridge", and a "sleep monitor". This was reported here.

In other words, the winner figured out how to get rid entirely of batteries and wires for powering controllers. But the feminists insist that this competition wasn't about who could make the best invention or innovation; it's about making fragile little girls feel better about STEM. From the MS article:



If that 13-year-old kid managed to turn the entire contest against girls and use it to hurt them, all just by entering his new self-winding controller, then he's smarter than everyone involved and deserves a freaking scholarship to MIT.
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The article you posted actually admits that the contest was extended to boys as well...
 
Vorhtbame said:
I had to do some digging to find out what in the world they're on about. Finally I found out what happened.

The winner, a boy, invented "a games controller which harnesses kinetic energy from thumb action using wind-up triggers". The next runners-up invented "smart curtains", a "smart fridge", and a "sleep monitor". This was reported here.

In other words, the winner figured out how to get rid entirely of batteries and wires for powering controllers. But the feminists insist that this competition wasn't about who could make the best invention or innovation; it's about making fragile little girls feel better about STEM. From the MS article:



If that 13-year-old kid managed to turn the entire contest against girls and use it to hurt them, all just by entering his new self-winding controller, then he's smarter than everyone involved and deserves a freaking scholarship to MIT.
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If they opened the competition to boys, then it probably would have been a good idea to get rid of the girl-centric branding. I'll grant them that, as it's a bit misleading. I'm sure the kid just had an invention and was eager for an avenue to show it off, and when he found out that the competition was opened to boys as well, he was probably like "well, boys are allowed, so let's give it a shot."

There's some other things I'm curious about. How long has this competition been held? Is this boy the first winner that wasn't a girl? What was the boy/girl ratio of entrants? If this has been going on for many years, with past winners all being girls and most participants being girls, then a boy winning, while curious, wouldn't be that worrying unless boys kept winning the contest somehow.

I don't know, I'm just trying to make sense of this.
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
The article you posted actually admits that the contest was extended to boys as well...
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Yeah, and how dare boys show up to something open to them and dare to win? I mean, contests aren't about winning--unless you're a girl, in which case you have to win.
 
That controller sounds awesome though. I would love to have controllers that didn't need batteries.

Who cares about progress when some feelings are hurt though
 
Here's some further information:

The Pretty Curious Challenge winners information.
The Pretty Curious program, which is distinct and still targeted at girls only.

As far as I can tell, it only got started last year, so this isn't a traditional thing.

And truth be told, how many boys entered or what have you is irrelevant. The technology itself is the only thing that should be judged. I mean, I thought that judging a thing because it came from a male or a female person was called sexism...
 
Vorhtbame said:
And truth be told, how many boys entered or what have you is irrelevant. The technology itself is the only thing that should be judged. I mean, I thought that judging a thing because it came from a male or a female person was called sexism...
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True, they should be judged on merit. Though if the competition drew more boys than girls, I can see why, for an organization that seeks to get more girls into STEM specifically, that might not look so good for that organization.

However, given that every single runner-up was a girl, I think it's likely most of the participants were girls anyway, and Joshua, entering because the competition was open to boys, just happened to be picked as the winner. And in an open competition, the runners obviously must have taken that the winner could be a boy as a possibility. It's not like Joshua cheated his way in by entering as Jessica or anything.

If there are people upset that a boy won the contest, then maybe they should make their own exclusively-girls competition.
 
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Vorhtbame said:
In other words, the winner figured out how to get rid entirely of batteries and wires for powering controllers. But the feminists insist that this competition wasn't about who could make the best invention or innovation; it's about making fragile little girls feel better about STEM. From the MS article:
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I have an amazing idea. To get girls to come up with amazing ideas, how about just teaching them that they too can be aggressive and push their ideas, and if they're good, maybe they too can win such contests?
 
AnOminous said:
I have an amazing idea. To get girls to come up with amazing ideas, how about just teaching them that they too can be aggressive and push their ideas, and if they're good, maybe they too can win such contests?
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Yeah, now see, when I was a little Vorht growing up with what looked like a talent with STEM, everyone focused on my grades, but nobody bothered telling me that I should actually step up and ask for things, stretch myself, or risk annoying people. All the adults around me would go out of their way to make sure I had everything I needed, rather than teaching me how to find out what I needed and how to get it.

Then I hit engineering calculus, decided it was too hard, and ditched it all for wordplay. People praised me for getting good grades, not for doing hard things, after all.

I wonder how many girls encounter the same thing?
 
Vorhtbame said:
I wonder how many girls encounter the same thing?
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Maybe a lot. Maybe we should figure out how as a society to harvest good ideas from minds in general.

That may sound kind of exploitative, but maybe if female minds are not as inclined to offer ideas aggressively, they should be actively sought.
 
Have gender-based competitions for kids been a new development?

Come to think of it, pardon the powerlevel, I hadn't been encouraged to be aggressive about my opinions until I went to university and had to stand up for myself.

I wasn't brought up with strict gender roles in mind. The general advice I got was to be recognized by my own merits, gender be damned. I tend to be a shrinking violet offline, but I aim to overcome that if I am to realize that advice in the first place.
 
PhoenixMaiden said:
This site is cancer. All these articles make me cringe.

https://archive.is/Ipubm
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I know what you mean. They did get into a huff about toxic masculinity in Deadpool when...
Wade (before he became Deadpool) allowed his girlfriend to peg him for International Woman's Day and you could see that he didn't enjoy it. And they thought it would've been better if he did enjoy it since it would be less toxic or something.
 
Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
I know what you mean. They did get into a huff about toxic masculinity in Deadpool when...
Wade (before he became Deadpool) allowed his girlfriend to peg him for International Woman's Day and you could see that he didn't enjoy it. And they thought it would've been better if he did enjoy it since it would be less toxic or something.
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Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
I know what you mean. They did get into a huff about toxic masculinity in Deadpool when...
Wade (before he became Deadpool) allowed his girlfriend to peg him for International Woman's Day and you could see that he didn't enjoy it. And they thought it would've been better if he did enjoy it since it would be less toxic or something.
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There is officially no pleasing these people. Why does anyone even try?
 
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