The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[Curry Teafag]

** a lotta words I ain't readin' **

I stand by my conviction that SteamOS could be the future once they include full Nvidia and HDMI 2.1+ support.

Gamers will move to the less troublesome OS successively and force hardware manufacturers to improve Linux support.

 

[Betonhaus]

-Mint is LTS so it won't work on the newest hardware, and it's X11 so it won't support high end monitor functionality, so the average "enthusiast gamer" with a 4090/5090 and a high refresh rate HDR monitor will have a bad time with it.

99% of users would be using compatible older hardware or won't care about HDR, so these issues don't apply to them and as such it's rather dumb to outright dismiss Linux Mint. In fact, 99% of the people who need assistance picking an OS will have hardware supported perfectly fine with Linux Mint and won't notice that they are missing out on things like HDR. How many people do you think are buying $3,000 systems and going "wait, I hate computers" and can't figure out which OS to choose.

Generally all you need to recommend is the distro that's the best for people who are unable to take the time to pick and choose distros, and that's Linux Mint. Everything else is irrelevent unless you encounter a specific edge case and then you can make a decision based on which distro handles that edge case the best.

if someone wants to know which distro to use just tell them Linux Mint. If after that the come back saying that Linux Mint couldn't handle X THEN you can explore which distros best handle X, or if Linux Mint can be made to handle X.

 

[Ferryman]

Its like he never even left

 

[Rust Troony]

I stand by my conviction that SteamOS could be the future once they include full Nvidia and HDMI 2.1+ support.

I decided to try out SteamOS again as a daily driver. Outside of no ROCM support, although flatpaks recently got the ability to use the native ROCM drivers, Valve just doesn't ship them, i'm not losing much. The only thing it actually doesn't have that I can see being a major dealbreaker outside NVIDIA support is user accounts and by extension logins, you just get dumped into the deck user account, even if you have a password on it. One big thing I noticed post Steam Machine release is that the discover store now notifies for SteamOS updates, rather than just flatpaks, which is cool.

 

[Aidan]

Then decide on a single distro to recommend to everyone who has absolutely zero idea on how to operate an OS.

Linux Mint. Bazzite is a flavor of the month distro as far as I'm concerned, though I admit it's been a long month.

 

[Tap Water Enjoyer]

I heard gay polish furries were having a problem with Mint because the Ultrakill buttplug mod has compatibility issues or something.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

I actually don't give a shit if someone uses Linux or Windows or Mac. My only recommendation is Linux Mint because it just works for most people. If something isn't working then describe the problem to Claude and it will do an amazing job at helping you troubleshoot it.

Bazzite is gay and retarded, Cachy is gay and retarded, and atomic distros are gay and retarded.

 

[dec05eba]

Then cache that shit nigga

It is cached now, it did help for 1 day but now the AI bots killed my server again. I'll just keep blocking windows/macos users which fixes the problem.

 

[Hakase Shinonome]

Bazzite

Stopped reading there.

 

[777-]

linux still doesn't support most software and it's ui still looks like a tablet

 

[Aidan]

linux still doesn't support most software and it's ui still looks like a tablet

Works on my machine.

 

[Zyklon C]

Maybe not. He bought his Ubuntu laptop 10 years ago, which was the beginning of Ubuntu’s decline. He may not have any experience with what it’s turned into if he never upgraded his OS (which given the custom Surface kernel may be the case).

I should have said that for most of that time I was running W10 on it. It was only a while back I installed Ubuntu 24.04 and the Surface kernal. I went with Ubuntu mostly out of laziness because it seemed the easiest path to deal with the custom kernal and GNOME generally working better with the touch screen, at least according all the manuals and guides I read online.

My dislike of Ubuntu is pushing me to go with another distro when I get the new laptop.

 

[Hakase Shinonome]

My dislike of Ubuntu is pushing me to go with another distro when I get the new laptop.

With my experience with Ubuntu, it really sucks massively on laptops. Go with the mainstream opinion on this one and install something lighter, like ugh mint or if you're daring, something Arch based. Pure Arch only takes up 500MB of RAM.

 

[Dead Lion]

Then decide on a single distro to recommend to everyone who has absolutely zero idea on how to operate an OS.

Linux mint is the retard friendly option.

But the point is that you pick the distro that best fits your specific usecase, instead of the windows aproach of a one-size-fits all product that ultimately pleases nobody. There's no reason for an office PC with an i3 under the hood to have all the gaymer xbox shit and what have you.

I stand with Wade's experience 100% as it's probably the best example of what the layman Windows user that's fed up with Windows 11 expects from desktop Linux and what the Linux issues are, and how the only people who are responsible for people hating Linux and keeping the Linux myths alive are the Linux evangelists, who only care about people ditching Windows for Linux, have zero regard for their personal needs, who will blatantly lie and gaslight to get people to switch to Linux and then insult them when they start bringing up all the usual issues, then wondering why people still see the Linux community as the most toxic, egotistical pricks imaginable.

Wade picked a weird, experimental distro for some unknowable reason and had problem with it. It's like if someone bought a Mazda RX-7 and expected a problem free daily driver. You want a problem free daily driver you buy a corolla, but don't expect it to go very fast or have any cool features.

 

[Slav Power]

Pure Arch only takes up 500MB of RAM

"Pure Arch" implies the wiki guide installation that leaves you in just the CLI. Now add to that:
-Xorg
-any form of WM/DE (i3/Xfce)
-Pipewire
To have a baseline desktop experience and it's gonna be at least twice that. Not to mention any modern web browser, that'll eat another gigabyte just to spin up. As long as it's not a genuinely prehistoric machine with 2-4GB of RAM though, it should be fine.

It's just that Arch is a dogshit distro, like a bingo of all the Linux stereotypes, from an insufferable userbase that turns using Arch into their personality and having to remind everyone what OS they use (bro I use DeWalt btw my tools are my personality), doing nothing but ricing the everloving fuck out of their installs to then post it on r/UnixPorn for updoots (Linux isn't even anywhere near Unix or it's philosophy btw) to being the only major distro that requires explicit babysitting from the user and reading up on any manual interventions they might need to do before they pacman -Syu their system on the official site or else they'll be left with a non-working system. It's fun to fuck around with and learn but holy fuck people who daily it are deranged and really don't have anything better to do. Mint for ol' reliable, Fedora for bleeding edge. Only two genders that matter.

I've heard that MX Linux runs pretty well on limited hardware like that and it has it's own user friendly component development like Mint.

 

[SchizoDaemon]

It's just that Arch is a dogshit distro, like a bingo of all the Linux stereotypes, from an insufferable userbase that turns using Arch into their personality and having to remind everyone what OS they use (bro I use DeWalt btw my tools are my personality), doing nothing but ricing the everloving fuck out of their installs to then post it on r/UnixPorn for updoots (Linux isn't even anywhere near Unix or it's philosophy btw)

The loud vocal minority is not everyone. I use Gnome on Arch and couldn't give a fuck about desktop ricing. The only reason I am using Arch over Debian is a lot of the hipster tools I tend to have to use are often only supported on Arch, Ubuntu, or macOS. I can get most stuff working on any distro (and have), but it is just effort.

Most of the people saying "I use Arch BTW" these days are now are doing it tongue-in-cheek, especially since you can now just use the built-in installer script.

to being the only major distro that requires explicit babysitting from the user and reading up on any manual interventions they might need to do before they pacman -Syu their system on the official site or else they'll be left with a non-working system.

You just subscribe to the mailing list. I've got maybe 6-7 mails in 5 years on manual intervention.

I've been going back and forth between Arch and Debian for years. Almost any issue I've had with either has been my fault and not the distros themselves.

Fedora for bleeding edge

Fedora is the only distro that left me without video after an update in the last 10 years. This is directly due to wankery about what they do and don't include in their repos.

Whereas that never happened in Arch.

 

[Betonhaus]

I use Gnome on Arch

That's like the most insane combo out there, are you doing ok?

 

[SchizoDaemon]

If you don't have one, then stop evangelizing to Windows users to switch over to this and that. There's a reason everyone is hoping for Valve to make SteamOS a generic distro to finally save them from Windows, they cannot and will not trust the modern distro landscape because of how chaotic it is and they're hoping that with a company like Valve being responsible for maintaining a single distro, they'll make it so that it will "just werk" on any hardware configuration without any of these edge cases or confusing neckbeardisms that exist within Linux. Plus, by not having a single distro to recommend, you're gonna confuse people where they'd rather prefer to stay on Windows since they don't want to deal with thinking about what it is that they should use and what subset of distro specific issues they'd want to deal with, they don't want to deal with issues period and just use their shit without knowing how it works.

Firstly, I don't evangelize; people will ultimately use what they want. I specifically tell users that have no interest in learning how their OS works to not bother.

Secondly, you fundamentally don't fucking get it. The whole point of using Linux, free software in general, is that you take responsibility for your own choices.
There is no right answer, and people will have their own opinions on what to use.

That means you have to be willing to do your own research, fix your own problems, and learn how to ask questions the right way.

Desktop Linux devs keep ignoring these fundamental issues and that's why desktop Linux will never take off in the form that it exists in today.

Who cares whether it takes off? I don't care if people use Desktop Linux.

I use it because I prefer it over the alternatives (and believe me, I've used every alternative). Not because I cared about what other computer users were doing.

recommending raw Debian/Arch to newbies is nigger behavior,

A guy I know moved to using Linux full-time this year. Total newbie. He is using Debian.

Guy asked me what I used (I don't recommend distros typically) and asked me to talk him through the installation process (which can be done in 10-20 minutes in a VM) and showed him where the Wikis were. He has been fine.

Toxic community that will keep pestering everyone to switch to Linux, then refuse to ever admit that their OS has an issue, instead they will gaslight the users into believing that they're the issue and insult them if they can't deal with these fringe issues the same way they can.

You keep on painting a broad brush on a huge and diverse (in the real sense of the word) user group and wonder why people call you a dumb cunt.

As per usual, what you are complaining about is a vocal minority of people that are probably on Reddit and pretending it is the entire community.

 

[SchizoDaemon]

That's like the most insane combo out there, are you doing ok?

I think OpenBSD and Gnome would be. I did, btw, used to use that.

It's like if someone bought a Mazda RX-7 and expected a problem free daily driver. You want a problem free daily driver you buy a corolla, but don't expect it to go very fast or have any cool features.

I spent the last weekend servicing my own vehicle, changing the clutch master cylinder. Next weekend I will be investigating why my serpentine belt is excessively worn. The typical road user won't even check their tire pressure. The reason I bought my truck is because I wanted to understand how to work on my own vehicle; I was fully expecting to do a bunch of work. It's the same when I install FreeBSD/Gentoo or whatever, saying these are crap because you have to engage with it probably is asinine, because the users expect it.

 

[DavidS877]

I think OpenBSD and Gnome would be. I did, btw, used to use that.

Solaris had Gnome. It was better than CDE. Which isn't saying much.