The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

Hello. I am windowshopping for my first PC (upgrading from shit laptops all my life) and have heard good things about linux. However, I know absolutely goddamned nothing about linux outside that 1: it has a learning cliff instead of a learning curve, and 2: is obscenely customizable once you get over said learning cliff

can someone give me a basic introduction? are there hand-holdy guides written by linux autists for this sort of thing?

i must doubly ask if linux is one of those operating systems that gets cucked over in general products and gaming spheres similar to macOS
Generally the fastest way to learn is by doing. Linux Mint is a good all rounder distro that can do anything but it has common sense defaults where you can pretty much install it and go with minimal required messing around. If your hardware is too new for Linux Mint even with picking a newer kernel then idunno, maybe Ubuntu Cinnamon or Fedora Cinnamon but you’re skipping the shallows of the learning curve.

 
_______ hate is autistic. Yeah it's monolithic and has feature creep etc, but it works really well and because it's been the standard for over a decade, every guide and piece of software will assume you use it, so not having it will cause way more problems than the competitors claim to solve.
Welcome to the systemd brain, same as the windows brain.
 
Hello. I am windowshopping for my first PC (upgrading from shit laptops all my life) and have heard good things about linux. However, I know absolutely goddamned nothing about linux outside that 1: it has a learning cliff instead of a learning curve, and 2: is obscenely customizable once you get over said learning cliff

can someone give me a basic introduction? are there hand-holdy guides written by linux autists for this sort of thing?

i must doubly ask if linux is one of those operating systems that gets cucked over in general products and gaming spheres similar to macOS

I haven't had an install in a while but used Nobara on a gaming PC and it was a great beginner distro. Would ease you into linux basics and command line. The main dev seemed pretty chill and maintains a popular Proton fork. Everything is very optimised out of the box for GPU. They have a very active discord if you need support. Bazzite is awful and Cachy is overkill as a beginner distro imo, Mint is great all-rounder but less so for gaming.
 
every guide and piece of software will assume you use it, so not having it will cause way more problems than the competitors claim to solve.
But good guides and good programs don't assume you use systemd, so this is good- you get to avoid total crap.
 
good guides and good programs are super rare, 99% of the programs and guides out there are mid or mediocre and assume you're staying on the beaten path.
Really not rare if you know where to look. Artix, Gentoo and Void have more documentation and support than you might think, and where a gap exists most popular packages have rc/runit etc scripts on AUR if you don't want to DIY. Even where they don't exist i've probably spent a quarter the time learning to write init scripts from scratch and reverse engineer systemd scripts than the average troon has spent customising his status bar. I'm a luddite but it's not that big of a deal if you already know how to write a bash script.

That's not to say the average person shouldn't use systemd, but the (un)useability factor is as much of a meme as the init purist autism.
 
I kind of got a bit bored with Luke Smith when he misrepresented how easy some things were or, straight up, did things incorrectly. Like FFS dude, it is a pre-recorded video.
A few years ago on one of his livestreams, a superchatter asked him how he affords to live on his own land without having a job. Luke went quiet for a minute and then mumbled something about "a passive income". I couldn't find it again with YouTube's transcript feature so don't quote me, but eek.
too many devs jumped ship to other better projects
Like what?
 
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A few years ago on one of his livestreams, a superchatter asked him how he affords to live on his own land without having a job. Luke went quiet for a minute and then mumbled something about a "passive income". I couldn't find it again with YouTube's transcript feature so don't quote me on it, but eek.

Like what?
Dinit chimera secureblue arch s6 alpine artix etc etc
 
But good guides and good programs don't assume you use systemd, so this is good- you get to avoid total crap.
Good programs are the ones that I find useful. The OS should allow me to run said programs, not the other way around.
A few years ago on one of his livestreams, a superchatter asked him how he affords to live on his own land without having a job. Luke went quiet for a minute and then mumbled something about "a passive income". I couldn't find it again with YouTube's transcript feature so don't quote me, but eek.
He had another stream where he talked about how he ripped off credit card companies, something to do with abusing the free credit and then cancelling the card after the first payment. While I totally approve of getting one over on a credit card company legally, it indicates he is doing dodgier stuff elsewhere, or he has a huge inheritance or something.
I've also considered switching to Devuan for quite a while, but I just could not see any practical benefits.
There really isn't any IMO.
 
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Hello. I am windowshopping for my first PC (upgrading from shit laptops all my life) and have heard good things about linux. However, I know absolutely goddamned nothing about linux outside that 1: it has a learning cliff instead of a learning curve, and 2: is obscenely customizable once you get over said learning cliff

can someone give me a basic introduction? are there hand-holdy guides written by linux autists for this sort of thing?

i must doubly ask if linux is one of those operating systems that gets cucked over in general products and gaming spheres similar to macOS
Pick any of the mainstream distros. Most people recommend Mint because it is easy to install and its UI looks and works similar to Windows 7/10.
Underneath, IIRC, it is Ubuntu, so many of the Ubuntu guides will work without issue.
There are many guides on YouTube; avoid listening to anyone too fat, greasy or with a neckbeard.

If you want to dual-boot Windows (which is often the case), I used to have two drives, one for each OS.
Typically install Windows first and then Linux afterwards; the Linux installer will detect Windows, and you should be able to dual boot easily.
 
Pick any of the mainstream distros. Most people recommend Mint because it is easy to install and its UI looks and works similar to Windows 7/10.
Underneath, IIRC, it is Ubuntu, so many of the Ubuntu guides will work without issue.
There are many guides on YouTube; avoid listening to anyone too fat, greasy or with a neckbeard.

If you want to dual-boot Windows (which is often the case), I used to have two drives, one for each OS.
Typically install Windows first and then Linux afterwards; the Linux installer will detect Windows, and you should be able to dual boot easily.
To append to this I also highly recommend physically unplugging any drive that isn't the dedicated drive for the linux install until you're done with said install because there's a nasty ass habit of the windows drive intercepting the EFI/Boot files or the installer going "This looks good there's already an EFI folder lol" and now your OS won't boot without both drives plugged in. So if your windows drive is wiped or screws up you can't boot into your linux install.

TL;DR: Unplug the other HDDs/SSDs except the one you wanna install linux onto, then when you're done with all the installation hook them all back up. Then you can do the whole grub update/efi thing for linux to recognize the windows drive without the linux boot files being on the wrong drive. It saves a lot of potential headache imo.

You can fix the whole EFI/boot issue after the fact manually if you already goofed it up- but this is my caveman ass "I'm getting old" low tech solution.
 
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Hello. I am windowshopping for my first PC (upgrading from shit laptops all my life) and have heard good things about linux. However, I know absolutely goddamned nothing about linux outside that 1: it has a learning cliff instead of a learning curve, and 2: is obscenely customizable once you get over said learning cliff

can someone give me a basic introduction? are there hand-holdy guides written by linux autists for this sort of thing?

i must doubly ask if linux is one of those operating systems that gets cucked over in general products and gaming spheres similar to macOS

Another vote for Mint from me. Everything I've thrown at it so far just worked and stayed working.

Here's a piece of advice. While setting your shit up, you're going to be spending a lot of time in the terminal. Don't just copy/paste commands and call it a day. You'll appreciate the OS so much more if you actually spend some time learning what the commands/flags/arguments are, what they do and how to use them.
 
Hello. I am windowshopping for my first PC (upgrading from shit laptops all my life) and have heard good things about linux. However, I know absolutely goddamned nothing about linux outside that 1: it has a learning cliff instead of a learning curve, and 2: is obscenely customizable once you get over said learning cliff

can someone give me a basic introduction? are there hand-holdy guides written by linux autists for this sort of thing?

i must doubly ask if linux is one of those operating systems that gets cucked over in general products and gaming spheres similar to macOS

Another vote for mint, mint is "Grandma can use it but her grandson can use it too" simple and versatile and not too alien if you've been locked to the microsoft "Ecosystem" for a decade.

The terminal is IMO damn near entirely optional as it has it's own built in updater and software repo with a GUI that works a treat if you're tech illiterate. But you may have to mess with the terminal at some point but it's at least good about things like sometimes if you fat finger a command by a letter it might pitch a list of potential ones so you can go "Oh that's it that's the one I meant"

That and timeshift is your friend, it's windows system restore but not dogshit. You can go out of your way to brick your install hard and as long as you have a timeshift backup you're good the super majority of the time and back up and running in 3-5 minutes tops, so don't feel afraid to fuck around within reason.
And always keep at least a couple backups of your last working kernal if you update that just in case something goes wrong or fucky or it breaks a compatibility.

The modern terminal is about on par as "Scary" as the basics for windows CMD and power shell imo. Which is not really at all, it is smart to get familiar with it.
Switching OS is basically trading out a decade of muscle memory some works for you some works against you and it'll take time to adapt.

So don't get frustrated and remember you're comparing years of familiarity VS day 1.

In fairness and transparency though- Mint/Cinnamon still uses "X11" and could potentially cause issues on mismatched multiple displays or if you have a fancy schmacy 4K TV for a monitor sometimes. Buddy of mine who's goofy enough to use two TVs instead of proper monitors has issues with refresh rates on his secondary but otherwise no other ones. Thought it was important to mention though and sometimes you can change a setting or command and get it humming again.

Just something to look out for if you have a hyper specific issue crop up.

Wayland is the newer one supported by I think catchy and bazzite (Which imo I don't give a shit about or like GAYMER distros) which handles fractional display scaling and multiple displays better. But Mint SHOULD be getting less janky non "Alpha" wayland support soon(tm) in the pipeline.

And as far as games specifically go, it's only really a problem if you play the most chinesium/EA type multiplayer stuff around and it's less the software or hardware these days and more "The dirt mouthed kernal level anticheat devs didn't flick the damn run-on-linux option on" as a problem, launching games with steam and proton handles 90 percent of everything and even works for added to library non steam games, Heroic Launcher and other stuff handles the remaining 9 percent with a 1 percent outlier of very few titles unless you will choke and die if you can't play marvel rivals/fortnite/league.

Also I don't use the feature myself but heroic launcher can also direct import some account libraries from epic and gog.

https://areweanticheatyet.com/

Is a good way to at a glance know if you're good or fucked outright if you do play some games like that so you know what is a no go. It's not that many at all though that absolutely just will not work at least.

Edit: And if you have a potato bug up your asshole about steam you can use Lutris as it lets you use whatever wine/proton you want without steam. :story:
Also has a whole set of ez bake brownie batter type install scripts for non-linux stuff to simplify what would otherwise be a headache for things with launchers like old ass MMOs and such.
 
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using a free and open source OS just to shit it up with proprietary crap is embarassing
I mentioned other things and I'm not gonna turn my nose up at THE PC gaming storefront and platform just freely letting you use the "Make shit work most of the time" feature for anything you desire instead of it being a total walled garden. They asked about games and I answered.
 
using a free and open source OS just to shit it up with proprietary crap is embarassing
Fuck off. Some of us like to play games. Tux Racer and 0AD don't count.
Only really a problem if you play the most chinesium/EA type AAA multiplayer stuff around and it's less the software or hardware these days and more "Kernal level anticheat devs didn't flick the damn option on" as a problem, launching games with steam and proton handles 90 percent of everything and even works for added to library non steam games, Heroic Launcher and other stuff handles the remaining 9 percent with a 1 percent outlier of very few titles unless you will choke and die if you can't play marvel rivals/fortnite/league.
Steam works fine on most distros. GoG can work well through Lutris.

SNES, MegaDrive/Genesis, PS1, PS2 and PS3 emulators work well on Linux via AppImages and/or retroarch.
 
using a free and open source OS just to shit it up with proprietary crap is embarassing
I get what you're saying, but it isn't 2010 anymore. Times have changed. There's been a significant upsurge in Linux users recently, not because there's more people who think like you, but because people want their operating system to just be an operating system and windows isn't providing that anymore.

If Linux provides that for them and meets all their requirements, they should be free to shit up their free and open source OS in any way they see fit.
 
I get what you're saying, but it isn't 2010 anymore. Times have changed. There's been a significant upsurge in Linux users recently, not because there's more people who think like you, but because people want their operating system to just be an operating system and windows isn't providing that anymore.

If Linux provides that for them and meets all their requirements, they should be free to shit up their free and open source OS in any way they see fit.
Windows 11 somehow finding new and exciting ways to disappoint as it packs more shit into it's already thoroughly shitted pants has done more for linux adoption than anything in the past decade.
 
Windows 11 somehow finding new and exciting ways to disappoint as it packs more shit into it's already thoroughly shitted pants has done more for linux adoption than anything in the past decade.
The last time I installed Windows. I had to run Windows11Debloat, run a bunch of PowerShell scripts to remove more bullshit, use RevoUninstaller and add some registry hacks for it not to be aids. I was spending a good hour removing crap from the OS. Then I wanted to update the firmware on my Xbox controller, and the bloody Xbox controller update app wanted me to sign into Microsoft. I install the .NET framework, and telemetry is on by default for that.

Updating your program with something like choco takes about 10-40 minutes, and I have a fast machine. Deleting a large number of files (AWS loves to fill up your disc with manifest files) takes about an hour. All of this is either instant or very quick in Linux.

On Debian I had to do none of this bullshit. I can have a dev machine setup in about 30 minutes.
 
I get what you're saying, but it isn't 2010 anymore. Times have changed. There's been a significant upsurge in Linux users recently, not because there's more people who think like you, but because people want their operating system to just be an operating system and windows isn't providing that anymore.

If Linux provides that for them and meets all their requirements, they should be free to shit up their free and open source OS in any way they see fit.
That's right. It's my computer and I'll install whatever I want on it.
 
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