Science The infant simulator fiasco

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Teenage pregnancy is bad. At least, that’s what most people think, so they are trying to lower the rates. One team of academics got the bright idea of exposure therapy. The idea is that babies are annoying and difficult to deal with, so if we can mimic this with a toy for young girls, this will make them realize how little they want to have a baby, and thus lower the pregnancy rates:
  • Brinkman, S. A., Johnson, S. E., Codde, J. P., Hart, M. B., Straton, J. A., Mittinty, M. N., & Silburn, S. R. (2016). Efficacy of infant simulator programmes to prevent teenage pregnancy: a school-based cluster randomised controlled trial in Western Australia. The Lancet, 388(10057), 2264-2271.
Background
Infant simulator-based programmes, which aim to prevent teenage pregnancy, are used in high-income as well as low-income and middle-income countries but, despite growing popularity, no published evidence exists of their long-term effect. The aim of this trial was to investigate the effect of such a programme, the Virtual Infant Parenting (VIP) programme, on pregnancy outcomes of birth and induced abortion in Australia.
Methods
In this school-based pragmatic cluster randomised controlled trial, eligible schools in Perth, Western Australia, were enrolled and randomised 1:1 to the intervention and control groups. Randomisation using a table of random numbers without blocking, stratification, or matching was done by a researcher who was masked to the identity of the schools. Between 2003 and 2006, the VIP programme was administered to girls aged 13–15 years in the intervention schools, while girls of the same age in the control schools received the standard health education curriculum. Participants were followed until they reached 20 years of age via data linkage to hospital medical and abortion clinic records. The primary endpoint was the occurrence of pregnancy during the teenage years. Binomial and Cox proportional hazards regression was used to test for differences in pregnancy rates between study groups. This study is registered as an international randomised controlled trial, number ISRCTN24952438.
Findings
57 (86%) of 66 eligible schools were enrolled into the trial and randomly assigned 1:1 to the intervention (28 schools) or the control group (29 schools). Then, between Feb 1, 2003, and May 31, 2006, 1267 girls in the intervention schools received the VIP programme while 1567 girls in the control schools received the standard health education curriculum. Compared with girls in the control group, a higher proportion of girls in the intervention group recorded at least one birth (97 [8%] of 1267 in the intervention group vs 67 [4%] of 1567 in the control group) or at least one abortion as the first pregnancy event (113 [9%] vs 101 [6%]). After adjustment for potential confounders, the intervention group had a higher overall pregnancy risk than the control group (relative risk 1·36 [95% CI 1·10–1·67], p=0·003). Similar results were obtained with the use of proportional hazard models (hazard ratio 1·35 [95% CI 1·10–1·67], p=0·016).
Interpretation
The infant simulator-based VIP programme did not achieve its aim of reducing teenage pregnancy. Girls in the intervention group were more likely to experience a birth or an induced abortion than those in the control group before they reached 20 years of age.
For those wondering:
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The actual intervention is pretty simple and brief:

The Virtual Infant Parenting (VIP) Programme is a school-based preconception pregnancy prevention programme, a component of which is an infant simulator. It is a Western Australian adaptation of the US programme created by Realityworks (Eau Claire, WI, USA) and often referred to as “Baby Think It Over”. The programme seeks not only to delay pregnancy in the teenage years but also to improve knowledge and awareness of preconceptual health issues. Although “Baby Think It Over” is often implemented by teachers, nurses, or doctors, the VIP programme was implemented by school health nurses over 6 consecutive days with four main components to the curriculum: four educational sessions in small groups of four to five girls, a comprehensive reference workbook, a video documentary of teenage mothers talking about their own experiences, and caring for the infant simulator from the last school lesson on Friday afternoon through to the first class on Monday morning.

So caring for the infant is only over the weekend. Nevertheless, the results:
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Graphically:
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In terms of the stats:
  • Overall large study, with cluster (school-level) randomization
  • The randomization produced a kinda imbalanced split in that the control group was worse off on social status, early drinking etc.
  • But whether one adjusts for this or not, the results are fairly clear. The worst p value comes out at .016 (Cox model), which is not great, but at least not .049 bad
  • If we buy the results, it seems even this brief intervention increased teenage births by some 10-70%, with a best guess of 35%.

I can’t find a big replication study, as this study was intended as a big replication study of prior studies (that were inconclusive). However, there are some academics — Swedish of course — who used a robot baby with “young people with intellectual disability” to help them “in their process of deciding about parenthood”. Given the above results, I guess this is a kind of dysgenic study in itself.

Assuming we accept the results, I think we should consider this a promising avenue for fertility programs. This is important because the usual economic policies are pretty ineffective. It appears that the exposure to babies, even if they are really robots made of plastic, primes girls/women to think more of motherhood, and not in a bad way as intended. It is not too surprising as many people can recall the longing looks at babies by girlfriends? “He’s so cute” she says, while looking at you (hint: it means I WANT THIS). So while we might not want to promote teenage pregnancy, we should certainly promote pregnancy among university students. So how about some trials of this? One could mandate (or incentivize with some bonus) infant simulator treatment at the final year of studies for female students to prime them for getting started after finishing their education.
 
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We've massively fucked up. Our ridiculous solution is to try to instill fear and negative emotions in young women rather than fix society so that it is fit to raise a child within.
This is intentional. Unmarried women vote for more government. The destruction of mankind's innate desire to pair off and breed is crucial to totalitarianism.
 
Had a girl in my class with one of those. She was blond, (cheerfully) dumb, and was quietly voted “most likely to have a random baby soon”. She was told how to shut it off completely without lowering her score with it in two weeks to make it stop crying in class.
 
In agreement with a previous poster, back in the dark ages when I was in HS, all students enrolled in HE classes, male or female, had to drag around one of these as a 'couple', so it makes it even more interesting because maybe young men, like the suggested young women, thought maybe having a kid wasn't the worst based on their experience with the dolls lol.
 
I don't remember anyone carrying a simulated baby around high school.

Then again, if any poor broad ended up pregnant (there was a serial rapist that ended up impregnating 5 girls after I left among the 20 others or so that ended up knocked up per year or so -- bastard didn't really serve any time because he was under 18, just a couple years in juvvie) they would be sent to the off campus buildings for class and given a social worker to help them decide whether they were going to keep their kid or sell them to an adoption agency (school and social workers would bully and harass the girls if they decided to not use their 'services').

I didn't think they did the simulated baby thing any more as it would disrupt class for other students not involved with the project.
 
I didn't think they did the simulated baby thing any more as it would disrupt class for other students not involved with the project.
That was the point though for even students not in home ec. It was to show having children was a hellish annoying burden for not just you and your baby daddy/momma, but also for society at large. That said, I don't think high schoolers should be having children, but they should probably aim to have the first around 25 instead of 35-45, male or female.
 
We had a baby. All the female members of my family, even the surly teenage girl, wouldn't and still won't fuck off. It's almost like they're programmed to want to take care of and look at the baby. Some fat lesbian will probably think that's a problem that needs fixed, but granny especially loves the baby and will even look after the baby so we can go out and have friends. Protip: try to get on with your mother in law if you can. Actually even the lesbian auntie likes the baby but she's a proper old school lesbian, the kind you can respect and drink beer with.

The same is true with men to a pretty big extent. Before the baby I really didn't want a kid, now I think despite the sleep deprivation the baby is kind of neat. It only works with your own kids I guess because other people's babies aren't as cool as mine.
 
I think women are just slightly more programmed than men to take care of children in our species. It is not by much at all and probably part of the male inborn strategy to mate defend and raise his own offspring. Women have almost always had the option of throwing the baby down the well if they didn't want it for whatever reason. In nature, you don't find too much different.
 
I think women are just slightly more programmed than men to take care of children in our species.
Think? Theyre the ones who have breasts, of course theyre programmed to take care of children.

Also why do you think most "careers" women go into are all feels based being around children or taking care of people? Teaching, Nursing, whatever the fuck socialwork is etc.
 
Perhaps the type of girl that would choose home-ec as an elective would also be more likely to want to have a baby and end up a teen mom. I was not a teen mom but I definitely chose to take home-ec because I wanted to be a mom and was excited to raise the electronic baby. (I failed btw, those things are either rigged or mine was defective. The cry way too much, I put it in the closet and piled blankets over it. A real baby crying that much probably would’ve been diagnosed with colic or reflux or something).

The program isn't supposed to simulate real life child rearing. It's designed to get you to hate having children.
 
Nobody's going to make the obvious comment about the skin color of the doll?
There's a photo in the bottom left that shows 6 skin colors are available.
There has to be a middle ground between "by the way kids, sex makes babies" and "getting pregnant is the end of your whole entire life, don't ever let things get that bad..."
Why? What's wrong with "by the way kids, sex makes babies"?
 
This kind of "baby simulation set" is now very popular in the care of demented elderly people, especially in the institutional and group home settings. Not only does the baby evokes memories and give the old people an object of emotional bond, it can motivate them to take better care of themselves. An old woman who won't take showers can be persuaded by the staff: "Look Baby has just taken a bath and is very clean. Do you want to give Baby a hug? If you want to give Baby a hug you should take a bath first"
 
We had so much teen pregnancy at my state comp that we didn't really need fake babies. Though it wasn't until I was an adult that I wondered who exactly was knocking up all these teenage girls. Kill all the paedophiles and the problem solves itself, the only men left will be the ones who want to impregnate the girls once they're grown up and able to care for a baby. And not nonce the baby either.
 
That makes sense.

We did this at my school in the dark ages.

Kids loved it, bonded over it, and talked about how maybe they could figure out a way to deal with having an unexpected baby. It doesn't surprise me at all that it's a worse-than-useless program for reducing teen pregnancy rates.

I think because of smaller family sizes, lots of kids have no exposure to babies or their needs in their childhood. Showing them babies and how they are cared for activates instincts they didn't realize they had, and makes them feel romantic about the possibility.
 
They had these things back in high school and that was over a decade ago.

I recently had a conversation with my mom that these things had sensors in them so unlike a bag of flour (which was used in home ec classes in generations past), they can "detect" if you just place them in a locker all day and give you a failing grade.
 
Babies make other people want babies. Friends our ours who are younger just had their second and I was holding them to give them a break at an event we were at. I had the ‘awww, you know I’d love another one…’ thing.
Everyone wanted a cuddle, and I heard pretty much every couple I talked to make a not-really-a-joke about ‘awwww let’s have another.’
The teenage girls all wanted to cuddle the baby. Even the toddlers wanted to pay the baby - small kids have a fascination for babies too.
In short: everyone likes babies and babies emit some sort of ‘make more of me’ rays.
 
Babies make other people want babies. Friends our ours who are younger just had their second and I was holding them to give them a break at an event we were at. I had the ‘awww, you know I’d love another one…’ thing.
Everyone wanted a cuddle, and I heard pretty much every couple I talked to make a not-really-a-joke about ‘awwww let’s have another.’
The teenage girls all wanted to cuddle the baby. Even the toddlers wanted to pay the baby - small kids have a fascination for babies too.
In short: everyone likes babies and babies emit some sort of ‘make more of me’ rays.
Goes the other way around too. The chances of you divorcing go up astronomically if one of your friends have divorced, or even if a friend of a friend is divorced.
 
Babies make other people want babies. Friends our ours who are younger just had their second and I was holding them to give them a break at an event we were at. I had the ‘awww, you know I’d love another one…’ thing.
Everyone wanted a cuddle, and I heard pretty much every couple I talked to make a not-really-a-joke about ‘awwww let’s have another.’
The teenage girls all wanted to cuddle the baby. Even the toddlers wanted to pay the baby - small kids have a fascination for babies too.
In short: everyone likes babies and babies emit some sort of ‘make more of me’ rays.

I find kittens and puppies have a similar impact on people. "We should get a cat" "Aww, wouldn't you like to get a puppy?"
 
Showing them babies and how they are cared for activates instincts they didn't realize they had, and makes them feel romantic about the possibility.
Babies make other people want babies.
In short: everyone likes babies and babies emit some sort of ‘make more of me’ rays.
You people clearly haven't been around nigger babies.
The first 5-6 years of my younger sister's life were complete and utter hell. Every time I tried to be a good brother and play with her, it'd be nothing but scratches, kicks, and bites. Doesn't help that her dad was the dictionary definition of a nigger, up to and including leaving while she was still an infant.
 
Perhaps the type of girl that would choose home-ec as an elective would also be more likely to want to have a baby and end up a teen mom. I was not a teen mom but I definitely chose to take home-ec because I wanted to be a mom and was excited to raise the electronic baby. (I failed btw, those things are either rigged or mine was defective. The cry way too much, I put it in the closet and piled blankets over it. A real baby crying that much probably would’ve been diagnosed with colic or reflux or something).

Didn't someone say the robot babies were actually tuned to discourage children? I'm sure I heard that.

Anyway I cried way too much for my Mother, she took me to like 4 Doctors. It turned out I had an ear infection that had destroyed my eardrums. I would be deaf right now if that 4th Doctor hadn't discovered it.
 
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