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Hes just going to keep talking in circles like always. It's that humiliation fetish of his.
The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers
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This is my post btw where Mattogno says the pipes were for air circulation. So it's your move Tall Man.
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You know what, I will simply believe you that Mattogno concluded that, for the sake of argument.
Mattogno was obviously wrong regarding the scary pipes if his claim is that they are for air circulation.
Why?
As part of our agreement, I'll give you a response of similar length about the door.
Assuming the door was put on after, I don't see what this has to do with forgery claims. Doors are not an essential part or the gas chamber claim. So the door was missing (probably repurposed by the Nazis since the bath wasn't being used), and the museum or whoever put one on, big whoop.
Btw the reason I'm using Mattogno is to show you that your forgery claims are at the very least not at all obvious. If they were Mattogno, after spending weeks (at least, he wrote a book!) diligently studying the chamber, would have seen evidence of that.
Instead the opposite happened. He concluded no forgery.
Instead the opposite happened. He concluded no forgery.
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The Tall Man
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The OSS faggots that had less than a week took the doors including frames from the delousing chamber and slapped it onto the Brausebad.
A quick and sloppy job.
I am not Mattogno, and I don't really care if Mattogno said something.
You don't have to bother bringing up Mattogno; he has no special elevated status when it comes to making rational arguments.
Do me a favor: instead of telling me, "but so-and-so said it wasn't like this," bring up the actual argument you agree with.
You have not responded to the layout problem.
You've made no arguments about the place being a forgery, other than stuff like 'well obviously the pipes are fake, any idiot should see that'.
I'll respond to the layout problem once you tell me why they can't be air circulation pipes.
Bonesjones
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It's his favorite pilpul tactic after being dumb, ignore everything to focus on a specific detail
Actually tall man called the scary pipes the central issue
Bonesjones
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No his central issue was why did they make a fake gas chamber, then you deflected to the pipes. Not only are you dumb but your memory is worse than an alzheimer patient.
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I really don't care all that much what Mattogno's conclusion is. I want to hear the argument you agree with.
That's pretty obvious.
And I already explained it to you.
But I will gladly do it again in more detail.
The OSS fags made a plan when they knew they were going to take over Dachau in the next few weeks.
Their plan was to cement the gas chamber myth. They had perpetuated the rumor that prisoners should expect to get killed by gas coming out of regular-looking showers.
One part of the plan was to wait before taking over Dachau, keeping the supply trains away to ensure there would be more starvation and death for the cameras to capture. They could have easily taken control of Dachau weeks earlier without any additional expenditure of resources.
They knew about the delousing chamber and Barracks X in detail, and the plan was to take the doors from one of the delousing chambers, take the Dagesh degasser, and retrofit it to the shower room to create a fake gas chamber that could be presented to the congressmen who were going to visit less than a week after the takeover.
As with most plans, it didn't go according to plan. The doors didn't fit, they didn't have enough time to connect the Dagesh degassing machine to the pipes, and they had no time or plan to change the drainage system.
They still went with the plan, and they got it good enough to fool a bunch of congressmen.
That is why the early reporting about the Dachau gas chamber is so silly. It has the engineer's room (the one with the scary pipes) that has a pushbutton controlling the inlet and outlet of deadly poison gas.
Look at that panel with the two buttons and the 4 lights, this so clearly a rushed job.
Since they never managed to install the Dagesh degassing machine, they later added the chutes and just claimed that the pellets were thrown on the ground. Because anyone getting gassed could just push the pellets down the drainage system, they closed off the drainage grates.
Here you can see they took the evacuation unit from one of the delousing chambers and tried to retrofit it on top of the Brausebad.
The pipes are too short and don't connect to it, there is no motor in it. The OSS fags didn't manage to finish it before the congressmen's visit so they left it as is and just didn't show them the attic.
The pipes themselves look like either oven pipes or some kind of low-pressure air pipes (which would fit with the inlet and outlet of gas).
Finding these types of pipes wouldn't be hard in an installation the size of the camp or in Dachau, so that wasn't the problem. But finding valves was. The only type of valve with a similar diameter to the pipes would be a high-pressure gate valve used for water mains. They probably found it on-site in the camp since there must have been a water main going through it.
The thing about a high-pressure gate valve for water is that it is the worst kind of valve you could use for controlling low-pressure gas flow. For low-pressure gas, you would use a ball valve, a globe valve, a butterfly valve, or a diaphragm valve. You would never use a gate valve.
The last one you would use is a high-pressure gate valve built for water. It's not gas-tight, it's horrible at regulating the flow rate. Gate valves are either all the way open or closed in actual operation.
You can clearly see that by how hefty they are and their mountings, as well as by the long handle, that they are common mainline water valves.
The long handle is there because those valves are buried beneath the ground to prevent freezing during winter while still allowing access to the valve.
They still use the same kind of valve in Germany today for water, even with handles of similar length. The long handle now has an end designed for a specialized tool instead of a handle, which is the biggest difference between then and now.
The presence of these pipes and valves only makes sense if the OSS installed them for their initial story of the engineering room having a pushbutton for the intake and outtake of gas, which perfectly matches not one but two sets of valves next to the pushbuttons for the engineer to regulate the flow of gas.
The problem with this is that they never managed to install the Dagesh degassing machine, so the Holocaust propagandists pretend this story never happened and claim it was all done by dropping pellets via the chutes onto the cold floor of a room without heating.
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Let's talk about the pipes since you called them the central question and I'm interested too. In the orthodox narrative they weren't used to pump poison gas into the room, but rather circulate the air. To do this properly you need an inlet and outlet. So what about the pipes in the picture doesn't fit with them being air circulators? The gate valves? Put up a high def scan of the picture and circle for me where the gate valves are exactly, or any other part that wouldn't be used.
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Let's not.
I was promised an in depth refutation of the door and layout problem.
Fair enough, I'll talk about the layout problem.
So you're saying the gas chamber wouldn't have been put next to the bathroom or vice versa. This you say is a huge problem I guess, but according to orthodoxy there were air circulators installed. So the people get gassed, the air circulators work to replace all the air in the room, after a few hours the room is opened and the bodies are taken out. Maybe people wouldn't use the bathroom while the bodies are being removed anyway, but if they were, after a few hours of the air being circulated out of the room it shouldn't be dangerous. And bigger point, even if you are correct here, it doesn't prove a forgery, a "fake gas chamber".
I now await your response about the pipes
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WTF are you even talking about?
Read my actual post. I am talking about the real gas chambers used for delousing clothing marked with 1 on the map not the Brausebad marked with 5.
Oh so this has nothing to do with the quote unquote homicidal gas chamber? Or they faked the other delousing chambers or the bathroom? I have no idea about the relevance of this to your thesis about a fake gas chamber.
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I am already circling pictures with colors for you.
Let's do it step by step then.
Is it reasonable that the Nazis built a toilet right next to the delousing chambers?
Sure. The delousing chambers and the bathroom had a wall between them right? You don't know this probably but delousing in Nazi Germany typically took 24 hours, so it's not like those doors were being opened and shut constantly. And if the room was sealed gas isn't going to get out.
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Okay, next baby step.
Is it reasonable to build a toilet as far away as possible from the living quarters?
Sure