The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[Chugger]

Is a quote from the Nuremberg trials.

So? Why wouldn't they use a document like this at Nuremberg?

Why did you go from using the holocaust handbook as a source to Wikipedia? Is it because you are thoroughly owned and looking for scraps to support your argument? Pathetic.

The idea that the Nazis poured enormous resources into projects which were never realized is not a controversial one. But most governments do this to be fair.

 

[The Tall Man]

Here's the document. My memory isn't too good and I was mistaken about the witnesses. I don't think there is one.

Dr. Sigmund Rascher Munich Togerstr. 56 August 9, 1942 Esteemed Reichsführer! As you know, the same installation as in Linz is to be built in Dachau. As the 'invalid transports' terminate in the special chambers anyway I wondered if it would be possible to test the effects of our combat gases in these chambers using the persons who are destined for those chambers anyway. The only reports which are available so far are for experiments on animals or of accidents in the manufacture of these gases. (signed) S. Rascher 28


You can see the Dachau gas chamber was planned in the summer of 1942, when they were definitely not losing. In any case, tons of things get planned, enormous resources poured in, and then are never used. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wunderwaffe

Are you just quoting hearsay from Selzer?

Is a quote from the Nuremberg trials.

Ah, thanks.
Nuremberg trial testimony is not evidence, because admissions under torture are not reliable.

You can see the Dachau gas chamber was planned in the summer of 1942

I asked for the document btw.

Let me get this straight, the thing that makes you believe is testimony produced via torture?

So, why wouldn't they use a document like this at Nuremberg.

A document for ants?

 

[Bonesjones]

So? Why wouldn't they use a document like this at Nuremberg?

It's easily forged? The same reason you can't trust any document with no chain of custody?

The idea that the Nazis poured enormous resources into projects which were never realized is not a controversial one. But most governments do this to be fair.

Hey look clear example of you not knowing anything. So how does R&D for new weapons have anything to do with taking a working morgue/crematoriun and turn it into a gas chamber make any sense. You still need a morgue that you've removed and you don't need a gas chamber, since you've already got more dead bodies than you can handle.

What does make sense: turning a shower/locker room into a morgue.

 

[Chugger]

A document for ants?

I'm not gonna bother tracking down a high def scan, maybe I would if I thought you were operating in good faith.

None of this even matters, because the onus is on you to show that the evidence has been fabricated if that's your claim. If you have arguments about why, I can respond to them, but I won't actually until you answer my last question about the scary pipes.

 

[The Tall Man]

I'm not gonna bother tracking down a high def scan, maybe I would if I thought you were operating in good faith.

None of this even matters, because the onus is on you to show that the evidence has been fabricated if that's your claim. If you have arguments about why, I can respond to them, but I won't actually until you answer my last question about the scary pipes.

Good. Here is my first piece of evidence: there exists no rational explanation for how this alleged gas chamber would have worked.

 

[Chugger]

Good. Here is my first piece of evidence: there exists no rational explanation for how this alleged gas chamber would have worked.

That's not evidence of fabrication, you're just raising questions. Mattogno doesn't believe in Allied fabrication, and he doesn't think chamber would have worked either.

Now what about the scary pipes?

 

[Bonesjones]

That's not evidence of fabrication, you're just raising questions. Mattogno doesn't believe in Allied fabrication, and he doesn't think chamber would have worked either.

Now what about the scary pipes?

Yes he does you fucking liar.

 

[The Tall Man]

That's not evidence of fabrication, you're just raising questions.

Wrong, because the only rational explanation is that it was built as a faux gas chamber.
Give me any other good explanation for why nobody has come up with a rational explanation of how the Brausebad worked.
You have proven again and again that you can't, nor can you find anyone else who can.
You have the Internet at your fingertips, and you can't find a working modus operandi.

The way this fake gas chamber was built means it would never have worked as a real gas chamber.

The doors of the Brausebad being from one of the delousing chambers is another piece of evidence.

In the part marked in orange is where the people who worked at the building hung out.
All the way to the left are the delousing chambers—originally six of them, but the bottommost one was converted to a toilet, marked in green.
Building the toilet next to where poisonous gas was frequently used, in the furthest room from the actual living quarters, is irrational.
The doors of that delousing chamber were removed and retrofitted to the Brausebad, marked in red.
The existing walls of the Brausebad do not fit the doorframes taken from the delousing chamber, which is why both doors of the Brausebad cannot be closed.

This door is permanently stuck open because of how slanted it fits onto the frame.
You can see with the naked eye how poorly this was retrofitted; the bottom hinge is significantly further to the right.
It was installed slanted.

If you try to close the other door, you can't because the door will hit the latch.
The way this door was installed makes it impossible to close.


In short, OSS faggots took the doors from one of the six delousing chambers and crudely slapped them onto the Brausebad.

Mattogno doesn't believe in Allied fabrication, and he doesn't think chamber would have worked either.

He does, but what does your obsession with Mattogno have to do with anything?

 

[Bonesjones]

He does, but what does your obsession with Mattogno have to do with anything?

He's trying to do the thing he did originally, which is quote Mattogno quoting someone else and attributing it to Mattogno, because he thinks names have special powers, instead of just a label. I guess, he's literally retarded so who can tell what he's trying to argue half the time.

 

[Chugger]

You have the Internet at your fingertips, and you can't find a working modus operandi.

I presented something which you didn't like. I will start addressing your concerns about the layout, door, Mattogno, etc, once you answer my last question about the scary pipes. Quid pro quo.

 

[The Tall Man]

I presented something which you didn't like.

I said it was irrational because the method of operation you presented was literally impossible.

I will start addressing your concerns about the layout, door, Mattogno, etc, once you answer my last question about the scary pipes. Quid pro quo.

So to be clear they put those pipes in after the war, just to look scary (their single purpose)?

Yes.

 

[Chugger]

I said it was irrational because the method of operation you presented was literally impossible.

What about it, be specific?

Yes.

(regarding scary pipes). How do you know they put them in post war? Mattogno says they are air circulation pipes. Makes sense to me, why not?

btw this is Mattogno rejecting claims the gas chamber was fabricated

On page 11, Mattogno writes:

"The evidence in favor of the American forgery seemed convincing, and I too assumed its validity in my paper cited earlier (first published in German: Mattogno 2011, pp. 258-264), but I soon renounced this explanation in the article "The Dachau 'Gas Chamber': New Perspectives," which appeared in 2015 on the Olodogma website, of which the present study is a radical reworking."

So if you're saying he thinks it's a forgery, you're going to have to quote from his book. LOL you guys

 

[The Tall Man]

What about it, be specific?

Go back a few pages and read it yourself. I have answered this question in detail.

(regarding scary pipes). How do you know they put them in post war? Mattogno says they are air circulation pipes. Makes sense to me, why not?

btw this is Mattogno rejecting claims the gas chamber was fabricated

On page 11, Mattogno writes:

"The evidence in favor of the American forgery seemed convincing, and I too assumed its validity in my paper cited earlier (first published in German: Mattogno 2011, pp. 258-264), but I soon renounced this explanation in the article "The Dachau 'Gas Chamber': New Perspectives," which appeared in 2015 on the Olodogma website, of which the present study is a radical reworking."

You don't even read the books you quote. What you bring up is Mattogno quoting someone else.
Mattogno's conclusion is that the scary pipes are isolated hot water pipes.

We have already discussed this.

So if you're saying he thinks it's a forgery, you're going to have to quote from his book. LOL you guys

It's fascinating that you hold the believe that the only way to be correct about something is to quote someone else.
This implies you are either an idiot that is always wrong or you always lie.

You are the one constantly bringing up Mattogno, he can write what he wants. I don't need to reference him to make my point.

I presented something which you didn't like. I will start addressing your concerns about the layout, door, Mattogno, etc, once you answer my last question about the scary pipes. Quid pro quo.

I have answered two of your questions now and you have still not addressed my points.

 

[Chugger]

I have answered two of your questions now and you have still not addressed my points.

I'm trying. I think we're getting there. But if you want to end this now we can.

Show me in the book where Mattogno says they are water pipes.

 

[Bonesjones]

I'm trying. I think we're getting there. But if you want to end this now we can.

Show me in the book where Mattogno says they are water pipes.

Read a book njgger a mother fucking book, that you posted as your own source

 

[PandaChai]

My apologies if you've already been asked, and I don't mean to be/sound unkind, but why do you bother, @Chugger? It seems pretty obvious Tall Man and Bonesjones aren't going to change their minds and will continue to call you nasty names.

 

[Bonesjones]

My apologies if you've already been asked, and I don't mean to be/sound unkind, but why do you bother, @Chugger? It seems pretty obvious Tall Man and Bonesjones aren't going to change their minds and will continue to call you nasty names.

He's either got a humiliation fetish or is paid to post about the holocaust. He's not only a laughing stock here but on any other holocaust revisionist forum. Again, He's spent literal years of his life posting in the exact same way to only get instantly destroyed every single time.

 

[Chugger]

My apologies if you've already been asked, and I don't mean to be/sound unkind, but why do you bother, @Chugger? It seems pretty obvious Tall Man and Bonesjones aren't going to change their minds and will continue to call you nasty names.

Well they've been blatantly wrong about certain things like (like Mattogno thinking the gas chamber was forged) so I want to see it I can get them to reckon w that at least.

But if it was just bones I wouldn't be talking here tbh. With tall man that convo may be at its end

 

[Bonesjones]

Well they've been blatantly wrong about certain things like (like Mattogno thinking the gas chamber was forged) so I want to see it I can get them to reckon w that at least.

"See if I pretend we didn't have a conversation, I don't have to admit how wrong I am."

But if it was just bones I wouldn't be talking here tbh. With tall man that convo may be at its end

Good, leave. Call in your JIDF reinforcements, I don't care. I'll always be right and you'll always be a faggot nigger. Nothing will ever change that.

Edit:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89vian_Conference

Saw this in another thread, incredibly illuminating when you read into it. Funny how they admit that behind the scenes jews worked to help jews move into the USA. Also, how you can't walk a mile without tripping over yet another Jewish coordination group.

 

[Chugger]

"See if I pretend we didn't have a conversation, I don't have to admit how wrong I am."

Good, leave. Call in your JIDF reinforcements, I don't care. I'll always be right and you'll always be a faggot nigger. Nothing will ever change that.

Edit:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89vian_Conference

Saw this in another thread, incredibly illuminating when you read into it. Funny how they admit that behind the scenes jews worked to help jews move into the USA. Also, how you can't walk a mile without tripping over yet another Jewish coordination group.

Who helped move Jews in? Jews? From your own source

Disagreements among the numerous Jewish organisations on how to handle the refugee crisis added to the confusion.[16][17] Concerned that Jewish organisations would be seen trying to promote greater immigration into the United States, executive secretary to the American Jewish Committee, Morris Waldman, privately warned against Jewish representatives highlighting the problems Jewish refugees faced.[18] Samuel Rosenman sent President Franklin D. Roosevelt a memorandum stating that an "increase of quotas is wholly inadvisable as it would merely produce a 'Jewish problem' in the countries increasing the quota."[19] According to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, during the discussions, five leading Jewish organisations sent a joint memorandum discouraging mass Jewish emigration from central Europe.[19] Reacting to the conferences' failure, the AJC declined to directly criticise American policy,[20] while Jonah Wise blamed the British government and praised "American generosity".[18]

you stupid you