The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[The Tall Man]

You said they were scary/ just pipe joints, why?

Because they are scary pipes with the single purpose to look spooky when congressmen visit.
I don't understand why you think that Mattogno writing those are insulated hot water pipes for the shower changed my rational explanation for the pipes being water main retrofits?

Now I answered your question and I expect you to answer mine to the best of your ability.

Sure, what's your question? Questions have question marks btw

How did the Brausebad gassing operation work?
Please explain to me how it worked from start to finish?

 

[Chugger]

How did Brausebad gassing operation work?
Please explain to me how it worked from start to finish?

I don't know, there's no testimony that I can draw from.

I don't know how it worked, for the same reason.

I can only speculate, which I've done before.

Because they are scary pipes with the single purpose to look spooky when congressmen visit.
I don't understand why you think that Mattogno writing those are insulated hot water pipes for the shower changed my rational explanation for the pipes being water main retrofits?

So to be clear they put those pipes in after the war, just to look scary (their single purpose)?

 

[The Tall Man]

I don't know, there's no testimony that I can draw from.

I don't know how it worked, for the same reason.

What is this at 3:38 then?

That sounds like an explanation of how the Brausebad operated to me.

 

[Bonesjones]

It's sad how obvious they just recontextualized everything to push the holocaust propaganda once you know what you are actually looking at.

 

[The Tall Man]

It's sad how obvious they just recontextualized everything to push the holocaust propaganda once you know what you are actually looking at.

I like how the "good guys" made all the starving inmates get naked and roll around on the floor and arranged corpse hills for the cameras.

 

[Chugger]

What is this at 3:38 then?
DACHAU 1945480p.mp4
That sounds like an explanation of how the Brausebad operated to me.

It doesn't meet the standard for testimony accepted by historians. Typically that would be the witness's name and direct quotes from them. If you have that, show me, and that would give me some ideas. But you don't. This is why historians don't assert gassings happened there.

Hey you also ignored my question to you about the pipes. That's how this is going to work here from now on. Quid pro quo.

 

[The Tall Man]

It doesn't meet the standard for testimony accepted by historians.

It's the documentation by official government agents of the first-ever gas chamber discovered. It's an official report, and it has far higher credibility than some random Jew telling a story.

Quid pro quo.

Exactly, and you have not answered my question to the best of your ability. You are dodging it again.
You obviously hold the opinion that it was a real gas chamber since you are so allergic to the framing of the question: Why did the Nazis build a fake gas chamber?
If your answer to why the Nazis built a fake gas chamber would be 'I don't know,' then we wouldn't have a problem.

Now stop dodging my question and explain the operation of the Brausebad.

 

[Chugger]

It's the documentation by official government agents of the first-ever gas chamber discovered. It's an official report, and it has far higher credibility than some random Jew telling a story.

Historians don't take newsreels (meant for popular consumption!) by governments as fact without references to specific witness, documentary, or forensic evidence. This is kind of how the field works actually. All history, not just holocaust history. It's built on a foundation of direct evidence. If you don't or can't understand this you're probably not equipped to have this conversation. Witness testimony of course can be called into question, and potentially invalidate any claims.

You obviously hold the opinion that it was a real gas chamber since you are so allergic to the framing of the question: Why did the Nazis build a fake gas chamber?

Yes, it seems like you're getting it. It was a real gas chamber that may or may not have been used, we don't know because there isn't direct evidence.

 

[The Tall Man]

documentary

This film doesn't count as historical evidence?

Yes, it seems like you're getting it. It was a real gas chamber that may or may not have been used, we don't know because there isn't direct evidence.

It's amazing how passionate you are about defending the holocaust propaganda, but you don't know anything.
The reason the film claims gassings took place in the Brausebad but "Historians" don't anymore is because there is undeniable evidence that there were no mass killings in Dachau.

It was a real gas chamber

Then it should be a breeze for you to explain how it worked.

 

[Chugger]

This film doesn't count as historical evidence?

The film itself is evidence of what the camp looked like after the war sure. The commentary is something else though. There might be limited value to it, but generally newsreels meant for public consumption don't meet the threshold for being compelling evidence something did or did not happen.

there is undeniable evidence that there were no mass killings in Dachau.

Yeah Mattogno makes an argument like this. But it's not undeniable. You and him disagree over the function of pipes.

Historians are agnostic about whether gassings took place there, so am I.

 

[The Tall Man]

The film itself is evidence of what the camp looked like after the war sure. The commentary is something else though. There might be limited value to it, but generally newsreels meant for public consumption don't meet the threshold for being compelling evidence something did or did not happen.

Yeah Mattogno makes an argument like this. But it's not undeniable. You and him disagree over the function of pipes.

Historians are agnostic about whether gassings took place there, so am I.

Still dodging.
The Brausebad, how does it work?

 

[Chugger]

The Brausebad, how does it work?

I don't have great certainty. I could tell you about the gas chambers at Auschwitz or the Reinhardt camps

 

[The Tall Man]

It was a real gas chamber

I don't have great certainty.

You are not sure if it was a real gas chamber.

Is your revised answer to why the Nazis built a faux gas chamber, 'I am not sure'?

 

[Chugger]

You are not sure if it was a real gas chamber.

Is your revised answer to why the Nazis built a faux gas chamber, 'I am not sure'?

No I think it was a real gas chamber, there's just no compelling evidence it was used, so I can only speculate about "how it worked". If it wasn't used that doesn't mean it was fake.

 

[The Tall Man]

No I think it was a real gas chamber, there's just no compelling evidence it was used, so I can only speculate about "how it worked". If it wasn't used that doesn't mean it was fake.

That's very odd. You claim it's not a faux gas chamber but a real one, not merely a room designed to superficially resemble a gas chamber.

You can't make that statement without having a reasonable understanding of how it operates. If you can't provide a plausible explanation of its operational procedure, then your assertion is based solely on its superficial appearance.

So, what evidence leads you to conclude that it's a real gas chamber and not a faux one?

 

[Chugger]

So, what evidence leads you to conclude that it's a real gas chamber and not a faux one?

Witness testimony suggests there was a gas chamber there (though no first hand account of its use is given). A recovered document shows a proposal to construct a gas chamber there. The fake shower heads and slots in the wall are also not consistent with anything but a homicidal gas chamber. You might respond by saying the document forged, the witnesses were lying, the fake shower heads and slots in the wall (as well as scary pipes) were post-war fabrications. But you haven't shown that they were (I want to talk to you about the scary pipes as a demonstration of this). Until you can give compelling rationale about why all this evidence is bunk, the evidence stands and is personally convincing to me.

 

[Bonesjones]

Witness testimony suggests there was a gas chamber there (though no first hand account of its use is given).

You mean the guy who said he saw corpses gassed to death that didn't match the description of people actually gassed to death and said he couldn't have done an autopsy while explaining his walk through the clearly labeled autopsy room?

A recovered document shows a proposal to construct a gas chamber there.

I found a document that says I fucked your mom. Does that make me your dad?

The fake shower heads and slots in the wall are also not consistent with anything but a homicidal gas chamber.

What's the difference between a real and fake gas chamber exactly?

You might respond by saying the document forged, the witnesses were lying, the fake shower heads and slots in the wall (as well as scary pipes) were post-war fabrications.

So why build a real unused gas chamber exactly? All of these changes occurred when they were losing the war and bodies piled up. What's the point of expending resources on building killing machines when you can't deal with the death at hand?

But you haven't shown that they were (I want to talk to you about the scary pipes as a demonstration of this).

All the available evidence fits a shower room for people working the morgue that was refit to be another morgue as bodies piled up. The allies would then dismantle and reconstruct it as a gas chamber to fit their propaganda needs. Demonizing the Nazis while also covering up the results of their own bombing campaigns.

Until you can give compelling rationale about why all this evidence is bunk, the evidence stands and is personally convincing to me.

Considering you've have no knowledge of how anything works nor of basic construction principles, no one cares what you think is convincing. You alternate between playing retarded and being retarded that there is no difference.

 

[The Tall Man]

Witness testimony

deboonked by BonesJones, unless you have a different credible witness, someone that fabricates stuff isn't reliable.

A recovered document shows a proposal to construct a gas chamber there.

Link that amazing document

The fake shower heads and slots in the wall are also not consistent with anything but a homicidal gas chamber.

or a fake one.

post-war fabrications

Unless you show evidence that this is implausible that conclusion is still on the table.

Can you provide a credible witness and the document.

 

[Chugger]

Can you provide a credible witness and the document.

Here's the document. My memory isn't too good and I was mistaken about the witnesses. I don't think there is one.

Dr. Sigmund Rascher Munich Togerstr. 56 August 9, 1942 Esteemed Reichsführer! As you know, the same installation as in Linz is to be built in Dachau. As the 'invalid transports' terminate in the special chambers anyway I wondered if it would be possible to test the effects of our combat gases in these chambers using the persons who are destined for those chambers anyway. The only reports which are available so far are for experiments on animals or of accidents in the manufacture of these gases. (signed) S. Rascher 28

So why build a real unused gas chamber exactly? All of these changes occurred when they were losing the war and bodies piled up. What's the point of expending resources on building killing machines when you can't deal with the death at hand?

You can see the Dachau gas chamber was planned in the summer of 1942, when they were definitely not losing. In any case, tons of things get planned, enormous resources poured in, and then are never used. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wunderwaffe

 

[Bonesjones]

Dr. Sigmund Rascher Munich Togerstr. 56 August 9, 1942 Esteemed Reichsführer! As you know, the same installation as in Linz is to be built in Dachau. As the 'invalid transports' terminate in the special chambers anyway I wondered if it would be possible to test the effects of our combat gases in these chambers using the persons who are destined for those chambers anyway. The only reports which are available so far are for experiments on animals or of accidents in the manufacture of these gases. (signed) S. Rascher 28

Is a quote from the Nuremberg trials.

You can see the Dachau gas chamber was planned in the summer of 1942, when they were definitely not losing. In any case, tons of things get planned, enormous resources poured in, and then are never used.

Why did you go from using the holocaust handbook as a source to Wikipedia? Is it because you are thoroughly owned and looking for scraps to support your argument? Pathetic.