Why would we ever use the spurious number from one study in 1904, when we have precise values derived from numerous laboratory studies using modern equipment? I'm done accepting these baseless assertions for any hypothetical. You can drop it.
I trust you think the numbers are spurious for no reason other than they seem to be scientifically impossible. I think it's more likely your science is suspect. Even Mattogno didn't call the numbers flat out wrong.
I'm not going to explain this further.
The only reason you'd want to try and use these numbers is because they are wrong and you know they are wrong.
Where did I assert this? I asked you to substantiate your claim that it was 10x less efficient.
At the extermination facilities the bodies were destroyed. So it's best to think of them as cremains, that is crushed bone.
If you can't agree on the numbers, I guess you can just point out where the evidence is physically located so it can be analyzed to work backwards from. Oh you can't do that? Huh. I guess we win.
Hey look your science ignorance is showing. You absolutely can test open air burning in a lab.
Stop pretending like other people speak for your own arguments when you are unable to present an effective one of your own. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks or says, only what can be proven. You are just using appeals of authority to mask your inability to do anything.
So where is all this crushed bone? You keep talking about stuff like it exists, yet are unable to point any of it out. We are talking hundreds of thousands of pounds of teeth and bone. This has long lasting environmental effects you can't hide. So point it out on a map.
Lol to be clear I am appealing to the authority of the currently most prestigious revisionist, who believes basically everything you do, and is a self proclaimed expert on cremation who has written many books on the subject. If the scientific case is as obvious as you say, only retards can question it. So does that make Mattogno (who is in desperate need of such arguments to make his case that the Holocaust never happened), a retard?
Go to Chelmno and start digging.
I don't give a shit who you appeal to, give me primary physical sources. You aren't able to do this which is why you ignore the vast majority of what I say. You do this in an attempt to cover up your nonanswers. You've been doing this for years. What a waste of life you contain.
Yeah everyone can be retarded, which is why we examine hard facts. You never do though, you just endlessly loop opinion and insinuation.
Why should I have to? Didn't they discover all these mass graves and examine them? Oh they did a very preliminary study to say they found something and then did no further research? Why is that? They had all the proof they needed right there to undeniably prove the holocaust and they stopped right at the finish line.
You pay for it and I will. What's a few tens of thousands in travel, equipment, legal fees, etc?
So you admit it. They didn't adequately study the mass graves and you expect an amateur with no backing to do something both illegal and of dubious academic value. Really proving my point here.
I see I have a thousand posts on this site. Most of my posts take only a minute or two so the average might be around 5. That comes out to 80 hours, the length of a long Rpg. Talking to you guys has been more rewarding to me than a video game.
I don't know who that is, nor do I care. If the right person told you that water will boil at 50 degrees Celsius at 1 atm, would you believe them? What if they told you that the Nazis had a machine that did this, and was instrumental to the Holocaust? Would you believe in this machine?
Weird, because 'regular archaeology' often investigates mass deaths from war, famine, and ritual sacrifice. In fact, a large specialty in the field is forensic anthropology, which has been used to study everything from the bog men of the UK to the mass sacrifices of the Aztecs. More specific to this situation, one has to wonder what else they could possibly be studying there - its not like they were looking for potsherds and ritual tablets. It seems like they do care about appeasing a certain group of people, which is why they likely stopped (or never engaged) in the kind of work needed to verify the presence of a mass grave (cremated or no) as their findings might have shown no such grave to exist.
"I have some evidence that might be interesting."
"Oh neat, let's see it then." "Noooo, you might be meanies about it!" "Then why even bring it up?" "I want to bolster my argument by implying it has evidentiary support without actually presenting said evidence." "That makes you seem really deceptive and your theory seem unsupported." "YOU'RE A DELUSIONAL NEO-NAZI ANTISEMITE!" ".............." "So also I have a USB drive full of pictures and research that totally prove an assertion of mine correct." "Okay.....can we see those photos and evidence?" "No way, I deleted them because only evil Neo-Nazis like you would need to actually see evidence. Plus you'd probably jerk off to them SINCE YOU'RE SO EVIL!" "I'm starting to think that none of this so called evidence actually exists." "It totally does, but the burden of proof is on you! So travel to the government controlled site where your activities will never be permitted, perform an illegal excavation, analyse it to the standards that the UN and archaeologists use for mass grave sites, all while avoiding the police and local governments, then come back and positively disprove my assertions." "Thats not how burden of proof works, you say that certain things happened, it's on you to prove your theory-" "I don't have to actually substantiate any of my claims, since I'm on the RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY."He's talking about a single preliminary study of a small transit camp. That was accused of killing hundreds of thousands of people. The story was they murdered them and put them in mass graves, then when they lost the front, they came back dug them all up and cremated them, and buried them again. This makes total sense. Also the Soviets used the same grounds to also build a camp and kill people there while the locals gravedug for treasure on top of it.
Which is why i point out how long he's been doing this, how stupid do you have to be to do something almost every day for 3 years and not improve in the slightest? Literally thousands of hours he's argued and lost, with nothing to show for it. I can see why he would downplay his efforts because its all so pathetic.
First of all, I'm not committing the faux pas of engaging in the logical fallacy of an appeal to authority, so my personal credentials are irrelevant to this discussion. You don't have to take anything on my authority, or even on a singular person I cite - the concepts I discuss are pretty pedestrian high school science (biology and physics). The values I use for enthalpy, specific heat, caloric value, etc, have been derived and confirmed by numerous private and public agencies for use in scientific study and industrial processes.
I did earlier, up-thread, to which you have flip-flopped between telling me the numbers don't matter because they had magic crematoriums no one has ever seen, or used magic burn pits that require even less fuel.
"There are no bodies because they cremated them all to dust.""Where did the fuel come from for that?""Well they don't need that much fuel, they had crematoriums.""Well that doesn't seem possible and the photos you've posted seem show burn pits, not even crematoriums.""That is because they did most of the burning outside.""THAT REQUIRES EVEN MORE FUEL SO WHERE DID THE FUEL COME FROM?" "Look at these guidelines for sterilization prior to burial of diseased cattle corpses using air curtain technology that wasn't developed before the war, using the kind of fuel the Germans were most desperate for at the time. That proves they would only need an impossible amount, not an incredibly impossible supply!""That makes no sense, besides the time-traveling technology, as now you're restricting the fuel sources even further. Which only begs the question: WHERE DID THE FUEL COME FROM?" "They don't need much, they had fat jews to fuel specially designed magic crematoriums!""What? You just said they used burn pits! Now magic crematoriums? This is implausible on its face! Where's the evidence?" "Well here is a memo from a guy who knew a guy that heard in a bar that it happened, and a patent application from after the war!""What? That isn't evidence, just some statements we can't verify. Show some photographs or maybe-" "There are no photographs, all photos were banned and its ridiculous to even ask me for them! Only a Nazi would ask for a photograph of the crematoriums!".........." "Now let me show you a photo of an open burn pit, staffed by people with no uniforms or identifying features. That PROVES that 6 gajillion Jews were holorcoasted!""What? You just said that photos were banned at all these camps and asking for them would be silly!" "Silly for you, of course! All evidence proves the Holocaust, and the lack of evidence just means you can't disprove it!"
As I said before (it seems you are hallucinating responses from me) , open pits are less efficient than contained burning. I was being generous in saying we could use open pit figures to determine total fuel consumption. You get this right?
And what is the problem?
There is this saying that anything before a 'but' is meaningless. Considering you being a self-proclaimed atheist who keeps writing apologetics for Judaism, I don't believe you.
Do you think there are flawless divinely inspired historical accounts? Why is Richard Evans more credible than David Irving?
So, it's not okay if someone concludes it's around a hundred thousand. Why?
So you are proud of zealously proclaiming your beliefs that are based on ignorance.
I would call this projection, considering the above statement made by you.
That is not all you said.
You are assigning some ulterior motive to Thomas Goodrich, namely that he wants to make the Germans the 'good guys' by highlighting the horrors the Germans had to encounter.
Extremely late, but it's impressive that your grandfather was both a Soviet soldier on 27 Jan 1945 and an American soldier merely half a year before on Omaha. What a guy!